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Re: Five Fives Game

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I'll assume we're going down that list of primes then unless someone objects and then starting up again on a normal +1 progression from 1001 when it starts getting more challenging again.

257 = 5! + 5! + ⌊√5!⌋ + 5 + ⌊√5⌋
257 = 120 + 120 + 10 + 5 + 2
257 = 257
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263 = 5! + 5! + Γ5 - 5/5
263 = 120 + 120 + 24 - 1
263 = 263
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269 = 5! + 5! + Γ5 + (√5 x √5)
269 = 120 + 120 + 24 + 5
269 = 269
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271 = 5! + 5! + 55 - Γ5
271 = 120 + 120 + 55 - 24
271 = 271
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277 = ⌈√5!!⌉$ - 5 - 5 - 5/5
277 = 288 - 5 - 5 - 1
277 = 277

(Just a reminder as it hasn't been used in a while - $ is the superfactorial symbol, so 4$ above is 1! x 2! x 3! x 4!, 1 x 2 x 6 x 24)
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281 = Γ5 * ⌈√5⌉$ + ⌈√5⌉ - 5 * ⌊√5⌋
281 = 24 * 12 + 3 - 5 * 2
281 = 281
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283 = ⌈√5!!⌉$ - 5 x 5/(√5 x √5)
283 = 288 - 5 x 5/5
283 = 288 - 5
283 = 283
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283 = (5!!/5 + 5/5)$ - 5
283 = (3 + 1)$ - 5
283 = 288 - 5
283 = 283

You fast posted me :lol:

293 = (5!!/5 + 5/5)$ + 5
293 = (3 + 1)$ + 5
293 = 288 + 5
293 = 293
crispybits wrote: (Just a reminder as it hasn't been used in a while - $ is the superfactorial symbol, so 4$ above is 1! x 2! x 3! x 4!, 1 x 2 x 6 x 24)
That solves one question. What was the # symbol doing earlier?

Also from here on out I'm going to try and not use the ceiling or floor functions since they just feel kind of dirty to me rounding off those decimals.
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# is a factorial that only uses the prime numbers. I forget the proper mathemtical name.

1# = 1
2# = 2
3# and 4# = 6
5# and 6# = 30
7#, 8#, 9#, 10# = 210
11# and 12# = 2310

and so on

307 = (5 - 5/5)$ + Γ5 - 5
307 = 4$ + 24 - 5
307 = 288 + 19
307 = 307

Good luck not using ceiling/floor, I'll join you for as long as I can but no promises
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311 = Γ5 x 5!! + 5 - 5# - Γ5
311 = 24 x 15 + 5 - 30 -24
311 = 360 - 49
311 = 311
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actually can we know exactly what all the symbols mean?
"!!" seems to be the sum, but i'm not sure about the others...
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maxfaraday wrote:actually can we know exactly what all the symbols mean?
"!!" seems to be the sum, but i'm not sure about the others...
!! is the double factorial only multiplying every other number in the sequence, so 5!! = 1 x 3 x 5 = 15, or 6!! = 2 x 4 x 6 = 48 and so on.
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313 = (5^5 + 5) / (5 + 5)
313 = (3125 + 5) / 10
313 = 3130 / 10
313 = 313

Also Γ5 (or gamma 5) is the factorial of the number one less

So Γn = (n-1)!
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317 = Γ5 x 5!! + 5 - Γ5 - Γ5
317 = 24 x 15 + 5 - 24 - 24
317 = 360 - 43
317 = 317
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331 = Γ5 x 5!! - 5# + 5/5
331 = 24 x 15 - 30 + 1
331 = 360 - 29
331 = 331
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337 = Γ5 x 5!! + 5/5 - Γ5
337 = 24 x 15 + 1 - 24
337 = 360 - 23
337 = 337
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347 = Γ5 x (5!! - .5) - 5/5
347 = 24 x (15 - .5) - 1
347 = 24 x 14.5 - 1
347 = 348 - 1
347 = 347

Only way I could do it without floor/ceiling
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349 = Γ5 x 5!! + Γ5 - 5# - 5
349 = 24 x 15 + 24 - 35
349 = 360 - 11
349 = 349
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353 = (Γ5 x 5!!) - (.5 x 5!!) + .5
353 = (24 x 15) - (.5 x 15) + .5
353 = 360 - 7.5 + 0.5
353 = 353
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359 = Γ5 x 5!! - (√5 x √5)/5
359 = 24 x 15 - 5/5
359 = 360 - 1
359 = 359
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367 = (Γ5 x 5!!) + (.5 x 5!!) - .5
367 = (24 x 15) + (.5 x 15) - .5
367 = 360 + 7.5 - 0.5
367 = 367
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365=5!+5!+5*5*5 (nobody did this number!!!)
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Hehe - we're just doing primes up until 1001 I think now eddygp - it's all a bit too easy to get to any 3 figure number so as long as we can make all the primes we'll assume the rest are pretty simple.

Next one is 373
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OK I can do 373 with floor and ceiling (obscenely easy), but to do it without.... that's a tough one. Took me ages to figure it out.

373 = (5!! + .5) x Γ5 + 5/5
373 = 15.5 x 24 + 1
373 = 372 + 1
373 = 373

Next target = 379
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Re: Five Fives Game

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For those who have been asking about the meanings of different symbols and functions, I've just been backwards and forwards through wikipedia's maths section and found every function that I think could be useful. I'll hide them in a spoiler in case people don't want to see them, but this isn't a template to just read off the answers, just a description of how all the different functions work. I've left out a few that aren't really useful.

We've used most of them, but there's a few here we haven't touched yet that may come in handy as we get higher targets.
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n! = Factorial - n x (n-1) x (n-2) x …. x 3 x 2 x 1
n!! = Double Factorial - n x (n-2) x (n-4) x … x either (6 x 4 x 2) or (5 x 3 x 1)
Γn = Gamma function - (n-1)!
⌈n⌉ = Ceiling function - the smallest integer equal to or greater than n
⌊n⌋ = Floor function - the largest integer equal to or smaller than n
n# = Primorial - n! but only using the prime numbers
n$ = Superfactorial - n! x (n-1)! x (n-2)! x … x 3! x 2! x 1!
τ(n) = Ramanujan’s Tau function – can't explain this one but it exists and the list up to τ(28) is here: http://oeis.org/A000594/list
σ(n) = Divisor function – sum of all factors of n
Π(n) = Prime counting function – how many prime numbers exist up to and including n
μ(n) = Mobius function – if the number is a square it's 0, if the number is not a square and Π(n) is odd it's -1, and if it's not a square and Π(n) is even it's 1. List to μ(77) here: http://oeis.org/A008683/list (not incredibly useful except it gives us a single 5 way to get to 1 - μ(5!!) - so could come in handy now and then)
Σ(n) = Sum function – n + (n-1) + (n-2) + …… + 3 + 2 + 1
φ(n) = Euler’s totient function – number of numbers less than n which share no factors with n – list up to φ(69) here: http://oeis.org/A000010/list
σ(n) = the number of distinct primes that are factors of n. List up to σ(111) here: http://oeis.org/A001221/list (again not greatly useful except as a single 5 way to get to 2 - σ(5!!))
I'd suggest we limit nesting to 2 levels, otherwise we could end up with f(f(f(f(f(x))))) which is no fun, so you can do φ(Π(5!!)) but no more than that? (that one works out at 8 by the way)

(Or am I just horribly overcomplicating this and we stick to a smaller list of allowed functions?)
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