Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Gallia (Town) Victory!

[kratos644]

I didn't quite get what was scummy about safariguy's post, but since anark withdrew his vote I guess he was ok enough with the explanation.

Right now we have no other suspicions... so is it better to vote a likely third party (jonty), or some random person that will probably be town again? (Just because jonty colored his name blue doesn't mean it really should be blue... I agree with the others that his role sounds likely to be third party, maybe a survivor kind of role... normal politician that will sell out to either side as long as he stays in power)

Is it possible to nudge anyone who hasn't posted since the night? For all we know all the scum are hiding out and just waiting for us to lynch another town.

It was just misinterpreted it would appear. Anyway I do have one person that I am leaning more towards right now and that is Virus. The reason being the way he hopped on the Jonty wagon and then hopped right off without any questioning of the claim at all. Just because someone makes their claim blue doesn't mean they are town. Back to Virus though, the way he voted makes it appear that he doesn't care who gets lynched as long as he can get someone lynched. This is somewhat scummy and for now the best lead that we have it appears. We do have jonty who is likely 3rd party but clearly his ability was true so there isn't too much we have to worry about him at the moment. If we can't find a better target he would be a good lynch for the day, though. In the end, I'm going to go ahead and unvote vote Virus for reasons stated above.

[jonty125]

Okay, that probably makes no sense. Im trying to say that unless you were in the empire or a third party, you wouldn't have said that sentence about the rebels the way you did. Im not moving my vote.

Or I was clueless about flavour like I suggested?

[rishaed]

That still leaves the question of why you would use REBELS not Militia. Not once in the episodes that I watched was the word rebels even slightly used. Considering that Gallia is a free country and all. I'm still leaning more 3rd party, and feel that it is time to move somewhere else today. He is a decent lynch target today if we don't get anywhere else.

[Iron Butterfly]

Okay, that probably makes no sense. Im trying to say that unless you were in the empire or a third party, you wouldn't have said that sentence about the rebels the way you did. Im not moving my vote.

Or I was clueless about flavour like I suggested?

unvote

LOL I just realized the irony of your situation by remembering your last two games you modded. On both games I got lynched because of the color scheme you created, which was different then how we normally play.. I made my observations and someone jumped on me saying if I were town I would know what color I was suppose to be. granted the situation is different but the mistake is the same in some regards.

[FloresDelMal]

That still leaves the question of why you would use REBELS not Militia. Not once in the episodes that I watched was the word rebels even slightly used. Considering that Gallia is a free country and all. I'm still leaning more 3rd party, and feel that it is time to move somewhere else today. He is a decent lynch target today if we don't get anywhere else.

QFT if we lynch jointy he wont be a big loss for town, but he is not a huge threat either, not for now at least, who knows later if he unlock some scummy power role, but atm i am willing to unvote vote virus for the reasons i posted before in addition to him being so trigger happy about BW's, this seems quite fishy indeed, plus he has made not real contribution to the discussion.

[virus90]

I am Maurits von Borg - Politician, each night, I may buy a player's vote for the night, I have control over gregwolf's vote today.

Does anybody know enough of the story to know if this guy actually was on the Darcsen side, or if he was empire? For all I know, this could be a real claim, only changing the role from red to blue.....

Now, as I said.... Seven of you voted him far too quickly... I guarantee a few of you are empire sympathizers.

I agree with you on both accounts.
That doesn't sound like a role that screams town to me. The ability to control a players vote for a day can benefit town or mafia. It could also benefit a third party that needs to lynch a specific person.

As for the jumping on the band wagon, yes I realize I was also on it, I'm currently most suspicious of Virus for doing so as he didn't even question the claim but rather immediately unvoted. This tells me he didn't care who he voted and was just trying to potentially get a lynch through.

I'm still not convinced Jonty is town and for the moment that is where my vote will stay as a result.

getting a lynch through was not were i was looking for, it was for getting some pressure on,

good point, I'll put some more pressure on
vote Jonty

we needed a claim because we did not know anything and we had to get the discussion going, because else we wait 2 weeks for the counter to role down, and give the bad-guys a chance to vote someone of with 2-3 votes just like happened last time with edocsil. (not saying it necessarily were the bad guys who got the votes in that killed, but a kill was there and noone really wanted it). So we got the claim, probably because me and some others pressured him by voting, my goal was reached, so why keep it there? it was not likely that he was going down with the 15-17 votes needed at that point, so why would i keep my vote on him? probably it will take another week or so before the counter is down to a level in which it becomes likely we get a majority for anything. the discussion was on, goal reached, get vote out of there because its useless at this point anyway.
votes at this stage are only useful in proving your point and having a discussion, if you want answers from someone you probably gonna need more then 1 vote, because who the hell would be scared by 1 or 2 if you need over a dozen at this point?

[safariguy5]

votes at this stage are only useful in proving your point and having a discussion, if you want answers from someone you probably gonna need more then 1 vote, because who the hell would be scared by 1 or 2 if you need over a dozen at this point?

Did we learn nothing from the lynch yesterday? We cannot afford to wait too long or we could accidentally lynch people from deadline pressure. But honestly, this defensive post is more than enough for me to vote virus regardless of your definition of "enough pressure".

[Anarkistsdream]

votes at this stage are only useful in proving your point and having a discussion, if you want answers from someone you probably gonna need more then 1 vote, because who the hell would be scared by 1 or 2 if you need over a dozen at this point?

Did we learn nothing from the lynch yesterday? We cannot afford to wait too long or we could accidentally lynch people from deadline pressure. But honestly, this defensive post is more than enough for me to vote virus regardless of your definition of "enough pressure".

+1... Safari nailed that one... Again, since my vote was one of the three yesterday that killed Edoc (even though he was looking mighty scummy and I don't feel too bad about a non-claiming player) I feel timid about throwing it around in this game. If virus doesn't come up with anything too great for a response, I will vote him.

[virus90]

Vote safariguy
for totally missing my point. or delibaretly ignoring some parts of it?

we needed a claim because we did not know anything and we had to get the discussion going, because else we wait 2 weeks for the counter to role down, and give the bad-guys a chance to vote someone of with 2-3 votes just like happened last time with edocsil. (not saying it necessarily were the bad guys who got the votes in that killed, but a kill was there and noone really wanted it).

Did we learn nothing from the lynch yesterday? We cannot afford to wait too long or we could accidentally lynch people from deadline pressure. But honestly, this defensive post is more than enough for me to vote virus regardless of your definition of "enough pressure".

How is what i first said marked in blue any different for what you use against me. i am exactly saying the same, or is my use of english vague or off?
and about the number of votes, i am afraid i am just being realistic that it will take more days to get to a stage where it is possible to lynch anyone at all. for 1 reason because you still need a shitload of votes. 14 by my count for today. that probably would take the hole town to agree at this stage. and for reason 2. of the people alive not even everyone has bothered to post more then 1 message at all since the start of day 2, so i wonder if at this stage if all active people agree we would get enough votes for a lynch.
so yes i vote you, which is pretty useless (reference to next quote)since we need about 14 votes at this stage, but it is to make a point: and i quote:

votes at this stage are only useful in proving your point and having a discussion, if you want answers from someone you probably gonna need more then 1 vote, because who the hell would be scared by 1 or 2 if you need over a dozen at this point?

to which i want to add that by "wanting answers" i mean answers or claims(which can be a form of answers in my opinion).

[Iron Butterfly]

Hot shot and James ker where are you??

I am most suspicious of the "inactives" at this point. These two come to mind as does rishead.

[rishaed]

Not inactive just very busy.... last final today after that will have much more time to formulate things. A short opinion on the situation by me is presented up above.

[safariguy5]

No virus, the vote was not pointless, thank you for adding an OMGUS vote onto the case against you.

[virus90]

Hot shot and James ker where are you??

I am most suspicious of the "inactives" at this point. These two come to mind as does rishead.

jamesker is missing, for over a week, no one heard from him. hotshot should be there i guess.

[jonty125]

Okay, that probably makes no sense. Im trying to say that unless you were in the empire or a third party, you wouldn't have said that sentence about the rebels the way you did. Im not moving my vote.

Or I was clueless about flavour like I suggested?

unvote

LOL I just realized the irony of your situation by remembering your last two games you modded. On both games I got lynched because of the color scheme you created, which was different then how we normally play.. I made my observations and someone jumped on me saying if I were town I would know what color I was suppose to be. granted the situation is different but the mistake is the same in some regards.

True that, also, I'm returning to the modding scene soon.

On virus, it seems he was just wanting a claim from me, and I can see why he unvoted, after all, there was no "hard" evidence, to suggest I'm not who I say I am, but there is the speculation, of that vote manipulators are normally bad (which is true).

[TheForgivenOne]

Hot shot and James ker where are you??

I am most suspicious of the "inactives" at this point. These two come to mind as does rishead.

HotShot posted on the exact same page you posted on. Maybe you should pay attention.

Okay, that probably makes no sense. Im trying to say that unless you were in the empire or a third party, you wouldn't have said that sentence about the rebels the way you did. Im not moving my vote.

Or I was clueless about flavour like I suggested?

unvote

LOL I just realized the irony of your situation by remembering your last two games you modded. On both games I got lynched because of the color scheme you created, which was different then how we normally play.. I made my observations and someone jumped on me saying if I were town I would know what color I was suppose to be. granted the situation is different but the mistake is the same in some regards.

True that, also, I'm returning to the modding scene soon.

On virus, it seems he was just wanting a claim from me, and I can see why he unvoted, after all, there was no "hard" evidence, to suggest I'm not who I say I am, but there is the speculation, of that vote manipulators are normally bad (which is true).

I just don't know with you. I can understand being clueless about flavor, if you aren't familiar of the theme.. but you willingly admit your role is generally a mafia. So why should we believe that you are town?

I am going to hesitantly Unvote. But I don't 100% believe your alignment.

I'm going to take a deeper look at the back and forth between Saf and Virus. Been sick, so my head is foggy, and i'd rather not read over something.

[jonty125]

So why should we believe that you are town?

TBH, I'm survived this long, I am town, so I don't have problem with greg saying who we wants to vote, and then I tell the mod, to tell greg, to vote who greg said.

[HotShot53]

Hot shot and James ker where are you??

I am most suspicious of the "inactives" at this point. These two come to mind as does rishead.

As TFO at least noticed, I posted earlier today, before your post... you and virus must have been skimming a bit to miss it I guess.

Unfortunately, I think James will need replacing, it's been over a week since he's been online and the game he was modding has been abandoned. I just hope he's ok.

Sorry I don't have as much to contribute yet, since this is my first game on here I don't know all the "scum signs" like you more experienced players do. And since bandwagon voting seems to be discouraged... I'm not sure what to do yet lol

[rishaed]

Best thing to do is bring a case of your own to the front! I will be looking for that starting tomorrow. Sleep is calling.

[FloresDelMal]

hotshot: just elaborate about why you agree or disagree with someone's post if you dont know where to start, that will get discussion going ^^

[Iron Butterfly]

So much for the discussion....

The last post is from friday and today is Sunday. Seems some folks are content to let clock run out for a lynch. Im not sure what the vote or day count is at.

[virus90]

So much for the discussion....

The last post is from friday and today is Sunday. Seems some folks are content to let clock run out for a lynch. Im not sure what the vote or day count is at.

think it is about 11 by now, but not sure, kind of depends on mod.
i thought some people were gonna look into the posts previously made, when they had time, were not ill anymore or anything, but so far have not heard much.
But think its time to get the discussion going again, because in a few days we will get to a point that we can lynch someone

[Minister Masket]

Votey County:

safariguy5 - 1 (virus)
virus90 - 3 (Flores, safari, kratos)
Anarkistsdream - 1 (gregwolf)
jonty125 - 3 (ga7, TWO, new guy1)

With 6 days gone, it takes 12 to lynch!

Fixed.

[kratos644]

I guess this vote was missed earlier. I unvoted and changed to virus prior to both Flores and safari

I didn't quite get what was scummy about safariguy's post, but since anark withdrew his vote I guess he was ok enough with the explanation.

Right now we have no other suspicions... so is it better to vote a likely third party (jonty), or some random person that will probably be town again? (Just because jonty colored his name blue doesn't mean it really should be blue... I agree with the others that his role sounds likely to be third party, maybe a survivor kind of role... normal politician that will sell out to either side as long as he stays in power)

Is it possible to nudge anyone who hasn't posted since the night? For all we know all the scum are hiding out and just waiting for us to lynch another town.

It was just misinterpreted it would appear. Anyway I do have one person that I am leaning more towards right now and that is Virus. The reason being the way he hopped on the Jonty wagon and then hopped right off without any questioning of the claim at all. Just because someone makes their claim blue doesn't mean they are town. Back to Virus though, the way he voted makes it appear that he doesn't care who gets lynched as long as he can get someone lynched. This is somewhat scummy and for now the best lead that we have it appears. We do have jonty who is likely 3rd party but clearly his ability was true so there isn't too much we have to worry about him at the moment. If we can't find a better target he would be a good lynch for the day, though. In the end, I'm going to go ahead and unvote vote Virus for reasons stated above.

[Anarkistsdream]

I agree, we have ALL been lazy... What irritates me most is that this is what happens in far too many mafia games... When you only have four or five people who consistently post, and they run out of ideas or arguments, then the game stalls.

Personally, I want to vote Jonty just because he still hasn't taken Gregwolfs vote off of me yet.

I also don't want to bandwagon virus, because I don't really feel that it is a strong enough case, and, if things continue on like they have, then he will be the one lynched anyway due to the vote countdown...

The following people have posted very little and should be prodded or replaced.
2) new guy1
10) Commander9
12) ghostly447
15) JamesKer1
19) ga7

[new guy1]

I agree, we have ALL been lazy... What irritates me most is that this is what happens in far too many mafia games... When you only have four or five people who consistently post, and they run out of ideas or arguments, then the game stalls.

Personally, I want to vote Jonty just because he still hasn't taken Gregwolfs vote off of me yet.

I also don't want to bandwagon virus, because I don't really feel that it is a strong enough case, and, if things continue on like they have, then he will be the one lynched anyway due to the vote countdown...

The following people have posted very little and should be prodded or replaced.
2) new guy1
10) Commander9
12) ghostly447
15) JamesKer1
19) ga7

Yeah, I havent posted much this game. I have posted more than several people though, and youve played at least two games with me prior to this one, and in both I told you my play style. I posted saying my vote was staying, and it will till jonty's defense sways me or until a better case arises.