[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[Rugbirn]

So, this may be a more accurate description of what we have?

2 - 3rd Party - Saul (Rug) & Salamaca Cousins - Green................................................................................. 1
3 - Mafia (only Gus left ?) - Red............................................................................................................... 1
3 - Cartel (only 1 left ?) - Dark Red.......................................................................................................... 1
2 - Heisenberg faction (Jesse, WW) - Light Blue......................................................................................... 2
2 - DEA Hank dead leaves....1 alive most probably Gomez - Gray Blue............................................................ 1
6 - Townies (4 dead - Anark (VT), Skyler (town Doc), Walt Jr. (town tracker) Beneke (Mets - VT - Blue)............. 2

[MoB Deadly]

So. Since you were the same color as Betiko were you masoned with him? I guess you failed to mention this as well?

Why would your win condition be to survive to the end if you look like a faction? How can we trust you to help town?

Since you "refuse" to lie, I want to ask you a direct question. "Do we know everything about your role and actions?"

Part of me trusts you since there was only 1 death last night and the flavor does not seem to indicate both mafia and cartel targetted the same person.
But i dont trust you completely.

I had something else to ask you but I forgot.

[Rugbirn]

Congrats townies,
Looks like our hunch on Gregwolf was spot on. Sorry we lost Mets, but getting the cousins on N3 is huge!

From the scene it looks like Betiko was stalking WW or at least, who he thought was WW. He instead gets killed. The acid bath seems to suggest that jesse or WW were the killers because season one contained the acid bath.

A second potential death is averted through protection. If Rugbirn protected MoB that second person in the scene was not MoB.

Agreed, looks like a Heisenberg faction action. Although MoB claims that they do NOT have NK ability.... I'm finding that hard to believe.

[Rugbirn]

Look MoB, I didn't make the game up.....Strike did.
To answer your questions:
1. No I figured Betiko as town, and was as surprised as anyone that he was 3rd Party.
2. Can't answer that except to reiterate that "officially" I win if I'm alive when game ends
3. Yes, you know everything there is to know about my role.

P.S. No meth for me so far.

[MoB Deadly]

How many deaths per night have there been? I am on my phone and it's hard to look. Off the top of my head I guess
2
2
And 3

And Betiko was called "Hitmen" and was the same color as you? And yet you find ME hard to believe?

[Rodion]

2
3
1
deaths

Congrats townies,
Looks like our hunch on Gregwolf was spot on. Sorry we lost Mets, but getting the cousins on N3 is huge!

Why is that huge?

[MoB Deadly]

Jonty I would like to know who your top 3-4 suspects are at this time if you don't mind me asking?

While we wait for the others to check in.

I'm kinda glad mets died by the bomb. I had no read on Mets and I was thinking he could be scum. I have a pretty solid lead on most players right now and a massclaim should only make things clearer

FPed thanks and Yeah very good question rodion

[Rugbirn]

How many deaths per night have there been? I am on my phone and it's hard to look. Off the top of my head I guess
2
2
And 3

And Betiko was called "Hitmen" and was the same color as you? And yet you find ME hard to believe?

MoB didn't you admit that you don't know the series? From the series, the Salamaca cousins SHOULD be part of the cartel faction. Why they are 3rd Party only Strike knows.

@Rodion - It's huge because it eliminates another NKer of town; and increases our overall survivorbility. The way I see it (read OPINION Rodion) is we only have two killers at large Gus, and WW/Gomez

[strike wolf]

The lynch number is correct.

[Iron Butterfly]

Rugbirn WHO did you protect last night?

[Rugbirn]

IB, what was your night action last night?

[TheForgivenOne]

IB, what was your night action last night?

Nicely done avoiding his question. Doesn't look scummy at all.

[rishaed]

IB, what was your night action last night?

Nonono, as claimed 3rd party. I really want you to tell what your Night action was. We've got only 1 kill last night not 2, as well as the fact that you've effectively claimed a protective. I wanna know who it was you protected, for a partial clear on the person. Can we get a prod on Rodian, i haven't seen him since somewhere mid D3 ish .

[TheForgivenOne]

IB, what was your night action last night?

Nonono, as claimed 3rd party. I really want you to tell what your Night action was. We've got only 1 kill last night not 2, as well as the fact that you've effectively claimed a protective. I wanna know who it was you protected, for a partial clear on the person. Can we get a prod on Rodian, i haven't seen him since somewhere mid D3 ish .

Ummmm, did you even read any of the posts on this page? Rodion posted.

[Iron Butterfly]

IB, what was your night action last night?

Your in no position to be asking anyone's night action. In my eyes you are the number one suspect for a variety of reasons.

You are green. Betiko was green. Now your role fishing? You need to start convincing us why we should not lynch your ass as I strongly believe you are a liar.

Granted there are other faction killers out there BUT I believe part of the puzzle starts with you. You claimed you can protect Town from a night kill. Someone in the scene was obviously protected, which means they would not be a killer.

Second Mob claims to be masoned with another player, which makes him extremely strong in the late game.

Mob has at least one person to trust so he has a pool of 6 to decide who are the bad guys are. He also cant win with DEA so he has to worry about them as well.

What does not add up for me is would you have been able to protect Betiko as he does not fit your role description OR would you have been able to do both for him seeing how you were both green?

[virus90]

i have no vote today. the message did not say anything about meth but got night action in return for the vote.
so thats 1 question less in game. and why we are not claiming what we did last night rug / ib ?

and i dont think rugbirn was alligned with the brothers, so i still think we should not be looking at him to much, but find the red scum in the rest of the pool of players.

[Rugbirn]

i have no vote today. the message did not say anything about meth but got night action in return for the vote.
so thats 1 question less in game. and why we are not claiming what we did last night rug / ib ?

and i dont think rugbirn was alligned with the brothers, so i still think we should not be looking at him to much, but find the red scum in the rest of the pool of players.

Look, you guys know everything about me except who I protected last night. Well, it seems that I picked someone who is "town aligned" (as there was only one kill - ours). For me to out this person will only help scum. And the people clammering me to out him just look scummier (IB, TFO, Rishaed). You can threaten me all you want, but town knows that it is about time for others to come forward with some information. You can't beat this horse (me) forever. You guys can do the Math - it wasn't me, or Betiko, so you have a one in 6 chance of figuring it out. If your smart, from past posts you can even eliminate one more person who I didn't protect - so now you are down to 5 possibilities. Good Luck.

[Rugbirn]

@IB - you said: "What does not add up for me is would you have been able to protect Betiko as he does not fit your role description OR would you have been able to do both for him seeing how you were both green?"

I explained that my protection ONLY applies to town factions. Are the Salamaca's town? Use your head. If I had (which I did NOT), selected Betiko for N3 action, he would have showed up innocent to any N3 investigation (I assume). I was NOT masoned with him or knew anything about him or any other (if there exists) 3rd Party. As a matter of FACT (Rodion - an expression), I assumed that Betiko was town or at least town aligned. I was shocked that he was the cousins.

The fact that Strike put the Salamaca cousins as 3rd Party is baffling to me. As most of us watching the show would assume, is that they would be part of the cartel faction. Which leaves me with a question for all of you. If there is a third cartel (Tio, Don & ??) member, who should it be (show name).

[MoB Deadly]

Everyone has checked in right? No one can explain the scene?

Vote Mass Claim (In my opinion, this order.)
Jonty Suspect the most, and fairly confident about it without any extra information.
Rodion - Scummarining / Non-committal posts (in my opinion)
Rishead - Cant get a read on
TFO / Virus / IB - Town reads on
MoB (finish claim)

Rug - Claims he is fully claimed

[Rugbirn]

I'll go along with that.....(don't even care about order)

vote Mass Claim

[Rodion]

I agree we'll have to massclaim if we can't reach a definite lead soon. However, I'd rather see Virus claim his meth action before the massclaim starts, as that action is not a part of his role.

If I had (which I did NOT), selected Betiko for N3 action, he would have showed up innocent to any N3 investigation (I assume).

Why would he have showed up innocent?

[jonty125]

Everyone has checked in right? No one can explain the scene?

I have no inside knowledge of the scene to add.


My List of Scumminess
1. Rugbrin - Still @ #1, today's play has been especially scummy and his colour the same as betiko, surely he's got to go today.
2. virus90 - I would argue, that virus not Rodion has been scummarining and the posts have been of little contribution
3. IB - Pushed hard for the name claim from MoB, which doesn't sit right with me, I can't see, and yes, IB has tried to justify himself, what benefit to town it would be

The below I feel are town
4. TFO
5. Rishaed
6. Rodion
7. MoB - claim seems good

ON A SIDE NOTE: Have I gone insane, or have all of X-Stor-X's posts been replaced by a guy called StorrZerg

FASTPOSTED by rodion

[MoB Deadly]

StorrZerg is his handle in other places, so he probably PMed the admins for a name change

For The Swarm!

[jonty125]

StorrZerg is his handle in other places, so he probably PMed the admins for a name change

OK, I was very worried the meth was affecting my memory.

[Rodion]

Not sure about the scene, MoB, but I'll give it a try. Not sure whether it's productive, though, since Strike warned us not to read the scene at face value (nightactionwise).

It looks like Betiko chose to target either WW OR the person you swapped WW with, which means he ended up targeting the person you swapped WW with or WW himself (that assumes you swapped WW, not you).

Another option is that Betiko's WC involved killing WW and so the scene mentions him trying to find him just for flavour.

Perhaps his kill failed because he found Gus (godfathers commonly have 1-shot bulletproof)? If so, would that mean Superkeener had already been targeted N1?

Jonty, he seems to have changed his CC name. It's the same person.