The Village of Secrets [GAME OVER] Werewolves Win!

[jak111]

Put it this way, no one is stepping up to of saved Jonty some way or another. So I doubt any blocked kills were towards Jonty.

I believe a roleblocker would step up if they roleblocked rishaed or someone else and no kill by their faction.

FP'd by Storr.

[Anarkistsdream]

Fine


Unvote: Sausage
Vote: Jonty...

Storr sold me on it... I don't know where else to go and everyone thinks my theories are too weak.

Sausage... My eyes are on your.... sausage... Eww.

[MudPuppy]

unless someone claims they saved jonty, it didn't happen.

Even if jonty was saved, it doesn't prove his alignment.

I don't believe your first point as I see little reason for a doc to come forward if he did save Jonty.
Second point is true but we can assume Non-Town faction #2 didn't target him because they targeted rishaed. Now, that leaves rishaed's faction targeting him because they believe he's 1) town, or 2) Non-Town faction #2. Of those options, I'd wager he's the latter. Of course, my belief that there are two non-town factions with killing roles could be wrong but that' seems most probable to me at the moment.

FP'd by Nark.. guess we'll find out soon enough what he is.

[MudPuppy]

But hey, protective role can do what ever they want!, im just saying what my thoughts are on what they could have done do. Again in the list of priorities, jonty seems far lower, specially to me since i believe him to be scum...

I got ya.... but who's the towniest person? Jak, Hotshot, Nark??? Do you think the odds are high that rishaed's faction targeted one of them and a doc protected that very same person? I don't.

[jak111]

Well that's a lynch, we'll find out who's right whenever scene is posted.

I believe we nailed a scum. But that's my opinion.

Also, I just watched two transformers blow up outside, power company was quick fixing it. But funny I JUST finished making dinner before it happened.

[HotShot53]

Here's where I'm at. I currently believe we have 2 mafia killing roles. I believe one was used by Non-Town Faction #2 to kill Rishaed who belongs to Non-Town Faction #1. I don't have a solid answer for why there was not a second kill last night. My initial and still current belief is that Rishaed's faction targeted Jonty and Jonty was saved by a doc. However, I appreciate the reasons stated why mafia would not want to go after such an obvious target. But I don't have another theory I feel comfortable with. I don't think Rishaed's faction held their shot. I find it highly unlikely that they targeted someone other than Jonty who was then also targeted by a doc for the save. So what happened???

If Jonty was targeted by scum then that would certainly make him appear townish. However, his D2 posts have been unsatisfying and make him appear scummish. So, I'm trying to reconcile what happened last night that would explain Jonty's scumminess. Can anyone help me with that?

Also, I don't quite fully understand the mechanics of mafia in terms of which mafia player does the killing on a certain night and how the order of actions is determined. My question is... is it possible that Rishaed was the shooter for Non-Town Faction #1 but happened to be killed by Non-Town Faction #2 before he could carry out his mission... or would the hit have been carried out by someone else from his faction, regardless?

I don't think that is a probable scenario but I'd like to know if it's possible. Mainly I'm looking for an N1 explanation I can buy for why there was only one death last night and how that explanation fits with Jonty being scum.

Half the argument that jonty is scum is that rishead defended him... so it's unlikely in that scenario that rishead's faction targeted him.

It is possible that rishead was the shooter, and was killed before he killed someone else. I think in many games either the godfather picks who does the kills. And in another game I was in when a shooter was killed, the mod flipped a dice who shot first (in that case the shooter shot first and was then killed... it could have gone the other way this time). My theory is that happened... or else maybe jonty was the shooter for rishead's faction and decided to no kill in order to to not be tracked and suspected since he said he wouldn't kill as vig. Or else jonty is town, and was targeted and saved by a doc.

Guess we will find out soon...

[HotShot53]

Wow... I must be tired from tax season (finally over!). I made too many typo's in that post lol.

EBWOP *I think in many games the godfather picks who does the kills. And in another game I was in when a shooter was killed, the mod flipped a coin who shot first

[Whatsausage]

Alright well that does it for jonty.... Let's hope we didn't just kill our vig. But either way, we should learn a lot from this flip.

Another case that I don't believe anyone has mentioned in respect to the events of the past night, is it possible that there is a mafia group that just doesn't have a kill? Does that happen?

[superkeener]

Official Vote Count 2.5

Final Day 2 Vote Count

Anarkistsdream (0):
HotShot53 (0):
Iron Butterfly (0):
jak111 (1): jonty125
Jmac1026 (2): MudPuppy, HotShot53
LYNCHED jonty125 (7): spiesr, StorrZerg, kgb007, pancakemix, jak111, virus90, Anarkistsdream,
kgb007 (0):
pancakemix (0):
MudPuppy (0):
spiesr (0):
virus90 (0):
Whatsausage (1): Iron Butterfly
StorrZerg (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting: Jmac1026, Whatsausage,

jonty125, the Town Vigilante has been lynched.

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Night 2 begins now.

Deadline for NIGHT 2 Actions is: Saturday, April 19, 2014, 10:00am CC Time.

[superkeener]

The people of Keenerville thought they had acquired peace once they killed the Vigilante. However, during the night some of the people got together and decided to attack once again… It seems the power in Keenerville may be shifting, for better or worse…


Iron Butterfly a Mafia Goon has been killed.
HotShot53 a Town Villager has been killed.

Day 3 begins now…

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Official Vote Count 3.0

Anarkistsdream (0):
jak111 (0):
Jmac1026 (0):
kgb007 (0):
pancakemix (0):
MudPuppy (0):
spiesr (0):
virus90 (0):
Whatsausage (0):
StorrZerg (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting: Jmac1026, Whatsausage, virus90, MudPuppy, spiesr, StorrZerg, kgb007, pancakemix, jak111, Anarkistsdream

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Deadline for DAY 3 is: Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 10:00am CC Time.

[Anarkistsdream]

Going back and looking at previous posts of the day, especially on the wagon, the two scummiest of scums are pancakemix and storr....
Vote PCM

[StorrZerg]

welp
don't matter how crappy my reads are this game cause mafia keep dieing LOLOL

[StorrZerg]

Anark, what about your lead lynch yesterday, he gone off the radar now?

[Iron Butterfly]

Go mafia!! *cough* ohh...im dead.

[jak111]

Well, my theory on the VT's is proven correct.

Anyway, so far 2 threats down, but it's odd that both mafias are "Mafia Goon" there must be at least one more alive. Unless the mod decided to just call them all the same with no mention of what type of powers they may have. Because I doubt the mafia faction would be left without some kind of power.

Although.. it's odd HotShot was green. Did he have a special win condition?

[jak111]

Anark, what did you originally claim your VT was called again btw?

[Anarkistsdream]

Anark, what about your lead lynch yesterday, he gone off the radar now?

IB voted him too... He would not vote his own scum buddy... Seemed fairly straightforward.

Jak, go back and look...

In any case, Pancake is scum, in my eyes... And yes some of my hunch is meta after playing so many games with him... but he is playing like a very helpful scum member... His push on Jonty was far too strong... and, as I said, if he flipped town, PCM is gonna be my target...

[jak111]

Hell, folks, lemme help you all out... Since most of you are being absolutely ridiculous, I will jump up and claim now... Guess what? I am a vanilla townie, and so not to quote my PM, I am a Peasant... That isn't what the title says, it mentions village... So, folks, way to out a Vanilla Townie!

Ah so you did claim villager, forgot and thought you claimed Peasant (which would now be a bad thing).

Well that makes you the only clear left in my eyes. Storr was pushing pretty hard as well and it seemed like spiesr was as well (so was I XD but this if fmpov). That being said, pushing on a guy for different motives. Storr was narrowed on him since D1, spiesr seemed to focus more on him D2 (same with pcm).

Although, it's odd, both mafia have not been on the day's lynch. (LOL that is actually funny that two mafia wanted the vig to live). That being said there's still that second faction out there against town. I know a bit more about them and I am probably one of their main threats. I am a bit worried though that they may be a cult. For you see, we also have vampires against us. I thought they failed to kill N1 but I see I was wrong as they seem to have failed killing N2 as well.

For those wondering, I killed both rishaed AND IB. My only win condition is to kill the vampires and survive. I have chose to side with town (as it seems mafia can't resist dying from me XD lol!)

That being said, I do not wish to fully out my powers, just know I'm with town, vampires are a threat to them and unless there's one more mafia left they're the only threat remaining as far as I know.

But yeah, you want to know what threat is left, it's vampires. I am outing this info now for a few reasons.
1.) Cop (if there is one) does not waste his action on me, I do not know whether I'll pop up town/non-town (probably latter since I'm not town, just more town aligned XD)
2.) Doc does not waste his action on me, the other assumption I've made for the lack of 3 kills is because they have attempted to possibly kill me. To which they will find I am immune to their actions.
3.) For people to keep an eye out for a possible cult (I seriously hope not, because if it is a cult they could have 3+ members in a 10 player game right now..)

Also, not to rub it into Jonty's face, but I seem to be the better scum hunter (even though I'm trying to mainly hit vampires XD).

The two main theories I have is 2 vampire killing faction or a cult. Not sure which, don't really care, they're going to die all the same once the town helps me find them.

[pancakemix]

Going back and looking at previous posts of the day, especially on the wagon, the two scummiest of scums are pancakemix and storr....
Vote PCM

Sorry I was wrong? Jonty was certainly more of a lead than anything you put forward.

Something to consider: To what degree do we trust these night results?

[Anarkistsdream]

Going back and looking at previous posts of the day, especially on the wagon, the two scummiest of scums are pancakemix and storr....
Vote PCM

Sorry I was wrong? Jonty was certainly more of a lead than anything you put forward.

Something to consider: To what degree do we trust these night results?

Oh lord... Because that will help you look like town, yes?

[superkeener]

Hi!
I made a mistake on the Night 2 scene and I have updated it.
HotShot53 is a Town Villager but the color should have been Blue

All Town related roles will also be Blue

[MudPuppy]

Thanks for clearing that up, superkeener... I wasn't getting very far trying to figure out how we had two town factions.

Nice shooting, jak!!! Good to have you on town's side. The vampire thing seems to fit well with the theme. So, two anti-town factions and 1 third party vampire hunter sounds about right. Meaning mafia is on its last legs (Godfather?) and the vamps are at full strength!!!

Glad that IB was scum. I think there still may be more scum/vamps on that D1 RD vote. jmac continues to be my biggest scum read.

[jak111]

I did actually think Jonty was mafia, but either way, now he can't kill me randomly for not trusting me XD Literally the only way I can die now is by lynch or if there's a mafia left out there that shoots me.

Other than that we can literally go down to 3v2 and still win this. Surprised no one has started "omg he's a 3rd party, lynch him!" case yet tbh, that's why I was hesitant to claim my faction alignment. But decided to just in case a cop did check me he knows why he got whichever results he did. (I technically could side with mafia, but seeing as I killed either their entire faction or all but 1 I believe I am not effectively a member of town XD)

But at this point, any more guilty reports from a cop would be highly recommended to out them now. I can easily kill them in the night if town is not willing to lynch them. Though if no guilties I'll just have to go with my gut again. (Told you IB was a hard bugger to read when he's against you btw).

I am still trying to figure out what the vampires are doing in the game though. I mean are they just a normal killing/cult faction or do they have some other special ability. So far the mafia have been pretty vanilla, so unless half the town are VT's then we may be OP compared to mafia, my guess is superkeener did not leave mafia without another role either.

Also, without some sort of shrink I think giving the cult 100% recruitment chance would be OP as well, so if vampires are cult there must be a chance they can't recruit someone, whether they can't recruit PR's, VT's, etc. There has to be something to stop them. If they're just a killing faction what other special ability do they have besides killing? Perhaps they do not show up on reports as doing anything/guilty.

That's all speculation. During the night phase I went back and reread, I believe I found the doc. But the biggest thing is my alignment readings have shifted quite a bit.

(List time again! lol, not going to be in depth, just letting ya's know how much it shifted over the course of the night's flip).

Anarkistsdream ~ VT
pancakemix ~ Some may disagree with this, but I find he's more spot-on to his town meta. Yes, he helped push a Jonty lynch, but in all honesty, Jonty did not help out with all the cases piling onto him.
Whatsausage ~ IB was on him, lol.
virus90
Jmac1026
spiesr
StorrZerg
MudPuppy
kgb007

This one is a guy I'm going back to, potential vampire? Final Mafia? Vote Jmac I find it odd how the VT on you is the one to die, MP is unknown alignment to most, but the VT the one that I was pretty damn sure was town on you dies. If we let you live, who should we be looking out for next? Anark or MudPuppy? You might being up the defense that you weren't on the Jonty wagon, neither was IB, look what he flipped, neither was rishaed on D1, look what he flipped. Yesterday you even had your vote on no one. One of two who did not give his read and a vote to back it up.

If you really did not want Jonty dead, you (and anyone else complaining) would of cast your vote somewhere you thought we should have gone.

Until a PR brings up some info for us, I'm going with my gut here. My gut has been right(ish) in the night. Not as much in the day, but I don't have a big list left of whom I think is scummy at the current moment.

[jak111]

now effectively a member of town* (typo on now lol)

[pancakemix]

Going back and looking at previous posts of the day, especially on the wagon, the two scummiest of scums are pancakemix and storr....
Vote PCM

Sorry I was wrong? Jonty was certainly more of a lead than anything you put forward.

Something to consider: To what degree do we trust these night results?

Oh lord... Because that will help you look like town, yes?

Theorizing, no matter how far-fetched the notion may be, is helpful. Saying "you're scum" consistently is not.

The reason I ask is that I find it odd that goons are dying every night and am curious if there's some sort of death mask mechanic at work. Doesn't seem unreasonable, given that this is a "Village of Secrets" and not much in the way of "secret" stuff has turned up yet.

^^I'm gonna leave that for posterity, because I was caught up on Nark and missed Jak's post entirely.

Anywho, vampires. That would probably be the "secret" thing I was just talking about. Jak, I am going to need more than your gut, even if you are 2/2 but at the very least I am inclined to trust you.