spiesr wrote:StorrZerg wrote:Virus spiesr PCM
we await your input...
I am not ready to cast my vote at the moment. I would like to look into Jak's claim further before I decide if I believe it or not.
I have some significant concerns about his claim. Jak, can you quick clarify the actions you have taken thus far? (It sounds like you have been killing people AND using garlic both nights?)
- Jak has still obscured some elements of the role he is claiming. While understandable I can't help be see this a means to make fake claiming easier as it allows him to incorporate whatever he might do as part of his claim.
- Going back to a reason I was in favour of lynching Jonty, the number of night kill his claim would require to exist for it to be true seems improbably high. His claim requires this game to have: A mafia faction which presumably had/has a kill, a town Vig, his role (which if I am reading correctly has the potential for multiple kills in a day cycle), and and anti-town Vampire group. (and his claim suggests that they would have a kill since he is immune to them killing him.)
- His claim appears imbalanced and illogical. If he is immune to whatever the vampires could do to him and is not a direct threat to either town or mafia, it seems overpowered and like the sort of thing you would claim on Day 1. He claims to have like 5 different items that he can get and use in addition to his normal kill. At least half of those items look like "use this to kill a vampire" actions. Why would he need this if he can already kill them with his normal actions? Maybe his normal action can't kill a vampire? But then why what would his normal kill even be for?
Funny how you're blocked, under suspicion and constantly trying to redirect it at me XD Spiesr, you've been making one-two sentence posts before today and only today because now some focus is on you.
But I'll play ball.
Yes, I have killed twice and used a secondary action beside each kill action, must I restate that fact? Did you skim or should I just restate everything I've said so far to help you from going back and reading?
Obscure? What have I been obscure about? I can kill, I've killed two mafia. I can use a secondary action alongside my kill also, so far I only know what garlic does. The items are explained when/if I get them during the night. I am against vampires (an anti-town faction) and I must survive as I am not linked with other players so if I die, there's no one to carry on my win condition or live. I'm immune to vampires, flavour wise I believe that is because I'm a vampire hunter, my character would obviously be paranoid enough (well not paranoid in this game) to protect himself from whatever the vampires are doing.
Not sure how I am being that obscure. I have brought more about my role out onto the table than anyone else and no one forced me to claim, I'm claiming to help town. Why the hell would I fake claim when it's not needed and there's been no real big push on me?
I noticed what you said spiesr, that's part of the reason why I voted Jonty as well, because I have the ability to kill, I believed D2 that Vampires simply failed to kill, which now I question whether they're killers per say. Which would of made 4 killers. I even hinted at my ability to kill by saying I believed there were two kill blocks N1 on D2. Mafia failed to kill obviously (which we now think it's you spiesr because kgb blocked you). Also the kill I thought Vamps would of made, with Jonty saying he didn't make a kill shot seemed acceptable at first but later things kept piling up that made his claim way too fishy to me.
Your third point I do so love. Imbalanced and illogical? I can easily be lynched by a lynch happy town, I could of easily been killed by town vig or mafia. Being immune to a single faction is NOT that OP. Especially where as I am the only one on my faction. That makes adding a few things make my chance of winning as well balanced. I mean look at my win condition. Kill vampires AND survive. 1st, I must make sure vampires do not win but die instead, that's only one part of it. The other part is I must survive to achieve the win. That is impossible if I'm a basic role without any sort of protection.
Garlic is the only thing I know of so far that can kill. The other four I have no clue what they do, just because they seem like items that CAN kill does not mean that they are. That's where assumptions are made by you, you know what they say about
assume. "It makes an
ass out of
u and
me".
This is like my game that I just hosted recently that I made in a night. Yes, mafia won VERY early in the game, I did not expect them to be that lucky. With this, I assume the mod did not expect all the dangers to me besides lynching to die by D3.
But here's a question for you, since you're going to be pressured due to kgb's results on you. What is your power? Do you not believe me because of your power? Or because my role is a bit more complicated than yours where as you're on a team of 10ish and I am alone. I mean it might seem all too easy for you, but for me to survive now, town has to trust me, otherwise there's no way I'm going to win it if they just kill me off. I can have all the powers in the world except lynch proof and that would be my demise. So while most of my threats are out of the way, there'll ALWAYS be that constant threat of not being believed, making my role not as OP as you believe it to be.
The other question I pose to you, do you really think scum would hit Jonty N1 with IB on their team? Do you seem IB as that stupid to kill the obvious doc save N1 with no other valuable claims to protect? If you believe they would not hit Jonty, and say the roleblock was on anyone but you, would you find them scummy for having no kill and just so happens the roleblocker may have been on them? Would you think that roleblocked person was scum? Hmm?
Going back to your obscure statement you say I am about my role. If I seem obscure maybe it's because I'm trying not to quote my role pm word for word, which would cause me to be mod-killed. The fact you want me dead so bad seems very odd. Once we get something out of Jmac, unless someone can prove your innocence, I think it will be you I will be on. Things just aren't adding up with how you're acting about it.
- You were roleblocked N1, scum was unsuccessful in killing N1.
- You pushed for the vig's head, a threat to scum.
- You are now pushing a guy who claims to have killed TWO scum and immune to another scum faction.
- Your activity does not go past 1-2 sentence posts until put under suspicion.
I am sure I could find more points, but you get the point. Things are now piling up that make your actions just seem odd once fully added up. Sure my role seems a bit more detailed than others in the game, but hey, I'm not complaining, I get to have something fun to do instead of dull "goon" "VT" "Vig" "Doc" etc roles which seem to have little flavour. I like that I am a bit unique. Makes me feel special
Haha.
I still find it funny you have not defended yourself about kgb blocking you, instead now you're fighting tooth and nail to find something in me that's not there. How about defend yourself before trying to go after a guy who is more open to people than you are. If you went after Jmac or virus or kgb, you'd probably have better luck, but it's too late, your true colours in this game are starting to show.
FP'd, thanks virus, after we get what we need from Jmac, if it's believable, I know who the next scummiest guy alive is right now to me.
), correlation doesn't imply causation. If I do vote spiesr's way, that will be why.