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I'm almost certain that is in reference to R'hllor and the old gods.patches70 wrote:You should be prepared for the possibility for disappointment, then.strikewolf wrote: So in short, I would be disappointed if she was the ruler at the end.
There is that pesky prophecy that the entire book series is named, after all.
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
He killed the butcher's boy who she was friends with for one thing.Army of GOD wrote:Really liked that episode.
I didn't realize Arya wants to kill the Hound though. I can't remember particularly why (other than general dickery, but he did save her life).
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
Army of GOD wrote:Are those book or show spoilers?
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
Yep, that was ole Locke, the very man who cut off Jamie's sword hand. He was trying to carry cripple Bran back to Dreadfort. Pity he didn't have any idea what he was getting into. He was too busy dreaming about the new land and keep he was going to be awarded by Roose to notice the giant Hodor coming up behind him.betiko wrote:no need for spoilers when related to the show; if you enter this thread you are supposed to have seen the last episode.
Ok I guess I missed who locke was... he was actually a spy sent by the boltons ton kill the stark boys???? eek... totally missed that. I guess he's one of those characters you barely see with the boltons when lord bolton orders them to go find the starks. AOG as you are just a show watcher as well, did you make the connection or you didn't even notice we had already seen locke the first time he appears at castle black?
Yeah. I knew it was him the whole time. Remember when Ramsey shows Bolton that Theon will shave him without any threat of Theon killing him? It was in that scene that Bolton said hell give Locke a cockton of land for killing the Stark boys.betiko wrote:no need for spoilers when related to the show; if you enter this thread you are supposed to have seen the last episode.
Ok I guess I missed who locke was... he was actually a spy sent by the boltons ton kill the stark boys???? eek... totally missed that. I guess he's one of those characters you barely see with the boltons when lord bolton orders them to go find the starks. AOG as you are just a show watcher as well, did you make the connection or you didn't even notice we had already seen locke the first time he appears at castle black?
Well really, i never had much doubt that john arryn had been killed by the lannisters.strike wolf wrote:He knew Robert Baratheon would ask Ned Stark to be Hand of the King and Littlefinger wanted Ned to be hand of the king. The simple reason is as follows. It's not a secret that the Starks don't really get along with the Lannisters very well even before the events that transpired at the beginning of the books. He wanted a war between the Starks and the Lannisters.
Robert actually was Cersei's work. Lancel Lannister who I think is the one that Oberyn has been seducing was Robert's page and was carrying his wine. Cersei had Lancel poison the wine. Not enough to kill Robert out but more than enough to cause him to misjudge the boar and get impaled.betiko wrote:Well really, i never had much doubt that john arryn had been killed by the lannisters.strike wolf wrote:He knew Robert Baratheon would ask Ned Stark to be Hand of the King and Littlefinger wanted Ned to be hand of the king. The simple reason is as follows. It's not a secret that the Starks don't really get along with the Lannisters very well even before the events that transpired at the beginning of the books. He wanted a war between the Starks and the Lannisters.
Ok, let me rethink the season 1 events... Arryn dies, robert names ned new hand, then robert dies.... Crap how the hell did robert die? Littlefinger while everything pointed out the lannisters?
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
There are far more names on her "kill list" than there are in the book. Beric Dondarrion seemed especially odd to me - what did he do to Arya to get on the list?Army of GOD wrote:Really liked that episode.
I didn't realize Arya wants to kill the Hound though. I can't remember particularly why (other than general dickery, but he did save her life).
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
She's a terrified child though, when I read the books I never held her to an adults standards, which in this world isn't very high anyway.denominator wrote:There are far more names on her "kill list" than there are in the book. Beric Dondarrion seemed especially odd to me - what did he do to Arya to get on the list?Army of GOD wrote:Really liked that episode.
I didn't realize Arya wants to kill the Hound though. I can't remember particularly why (other than general dickery, but he did save her life).
Also, the reason Arya wants to kill The Hound is exactly the reason I hate her. She wants to kill him because she killed the "innocent" butcher's boy, yet since that happened Arya herself has killed at least 2 "innocent" people (the boy in King's Landing and the guard during her escape in Harrenhal). You can add in the guy she killed just before Raff the Sweetling, and a handful of other people she's killed along the way, and it makes her a very compulsive and vindictive character. She is (as yet) unable to see the hypocrisy of herself wanting to kill The Hound for something she's done herself.
yeah i remember it like this, i remember perfectly how that poor lancel lannister was treated by everyone, even being cersei's toy boy in jaimie's absence. robert was absolutely horrible to him too. I remember him following robert during his hunting wis wine and that basically it was the lannister's work. I didn't remember if it was explicitely done by the lannisters, or if I remembered it as such (I remembered more or less that john arryn was explicitely poisoned by the lannisters... wrong!! wasn't there an opening scene with jaimie and cersei watching from above and very amused to see john arryn dead, with a conversation that seemed to have to be read between the lines??? )strike wolf wrote:Robert actually was Cersei's work. Lancel Lannister who I think is the one that Oberyn has been seducing was Robert's page and was carrying his wine. Cersei had Lancel poison the wine. Not enough to kill Robert out but more than enough to cause him to misjudge the boar and get impaled.betiko wrote:Well really, i never had much doubt that john arryn had been killed by the lannisters.strike wolf wrote:He knew Robert Baratheon would ask Ned Stark to be Hand of the King and Littlefinger wanted Ned to be hand of the king. The simple reason is as follows. It's not a secret that the Starks don't really get along with the Lannisters very well even before the events that transpired at the beginning of the books. He wanted a war between the Starks and the Lannisters.
Ok, let me rethink the season 1 events... Arryn dies, robert names ned new hand, then robert dies.... Crap how the hell did robert die? Littlefinger while everything pointed out the lannisters?
That's totally just a random guy. Littlefinger wouldn't have the privelige to have a lannister working in his whorehouse regardless of his tasks. And Lancel looks very different from that guy, and he's not even gay, Lancel used to be Cersei's family f*ck friend, if she can't have her brother she goes for her cousin. She'd almost rather have Tyrion put his dick in her than someone who's not a family member. And most certainly her father, he's probably number one on the list of male family members she has yet to f*ck but wants to.betiko wrote:yeah i remember it like this, i remember perfectly how that poor lancel lannister was treated by everyone, even being cersei's toy boy in jaimie's absence. robert was absolutely horrible to him too. I remember him following robert during his hunting wis wine and that basically it was the lannister's work. I didn't remember if it was explicitely done by the lannisters, or if I remembered it as such (I remembered more or less that john arryn was explicitely poisoned by the lannisters... wrong!! wasn't there an opening scene with jaimie and cersei watching from above and very amused to see john arryn dead, with a conversation that seemed to have to be read between the lines??? )strike wolf wrote:Robert actually was Cersei's work. Lancel Lannister who I think is the one that Oberyn has been seducing was Robert's page and was carrying his wine. Cersei had Lancel poison the wine. Not enough to kill Robert out but more than enough to cause him to misjudge the boar and get impaled.betiko wrote:Well really, i never had much doubt that john arryn had been killed by the lannisters.strike wolf wrote:He knew Robert Baratheon would ask Ned Stark to be Hand of the King and Littlefinger wanted Ned to be hand of the king. The simple reason is as follows. It's not a secret that the Starks don't really get along with the Lannisters very well even before the events that transpired at the beginning of the books. He wanted a war between the Starks and the Lannisters.
Ok, let me rethink the season 1 events... Arryn dies, robert names ned new hand, then robert dies.... Crap how the hell did robert die? Littlefinger while everything pointed out the lannisters?
oh and you think that the blond boy that oberyn buttfucks in his threesome is lancel lannister?? I just saw him as a random guy working there init?
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
Last we saw of Lancel was back in the battle of blackwater where he got fucked up. The arrow in the arm was bad enough but then Cersi did some more damage to his arm and he hasn't been seen since in the series. I suppose he's been convalescing all this time since. I'm sure we'll see him again in later seasons in the series.strike wolf wrote:It probably has just been too long since I have seen Lancel. Plus he wasn't very memorable even in the books. It just didn't seem like a random character.
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