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HK has never been democratic in the sense that you probably mean the word. The chief executives and governors have never been elected by 'the people'. If it make you feel any better, they're due to due to become a full democracy by 2017, so HK is actually becoming more democratic during its time back under the PRC's umbrella.BigBallinStalin wrote:Well, I already mentioned the reason as to why the PRC wants HK--it's not just a historic case, e.g. see the rocks and reefs China is currently feuding over. Historic cases are only made when they're favorable. It's still about that 'cash money' and states being belligerent to get what they want.mrswdk wrote:HK was a Chinese city. Then the British attacked and forced China to concede it. I see no reason why HK shouldn't go back to China.
Anyway, what autonomy does Hong Kong lack?
Do you really think the PRC has no political influence over HK? From what I recall, things in the HK are politically the same except there's a Chinese govt. official who changes whatever he doesn't like. That doesn't seem as democratic as before.

http://www.pqed.org/2014/06/how-should- ... carry.htmla6mzero wrote:These open carry gun groups should be named terrorists. Bunch of thugs strolling around target or walmart wearing assault rifles scaring the hell out of everyone. They should all be arrested and have their damn guns melted down. Nothing but grownup punks.
The questions that concerns me now is how we bystanders should react when people come into a store with guns. There really is no legitimate way of determining intent. Even if the people with guns are carrying a sign claiming to be activists (which they do not do), they could be lying, just setting us all up for slaughter. And since there is no way to know what is on their minds, all we have are our instincts, but as we all should know, our instincts are often racist, classist, and frequently mistaken. So, what should we do?
My proposal is as follows: we should all leave. Immediately. Leave the food on the table in the restaurant. Leave the groceries in the cart, in the aisle. Stop talking or engaging in the exchange. Just leave, unceremoniously, and fast.
But here is the key part: don’t pay. Stopping to pay in the presence of a person with a gun means risking your and your loved ones’ lives; money shouldn’t trump this. It doesn’t matter if you ate the meal. It doesn’t matter if you’ve just received food from the deli counter that can’t be resold. It doesn’t matter if you just got a haircut. Leave. If the business loses money, so be it. They can make the activists pay.
riskllama wrote:Koolbak wins this thread.
So you'd leave a restaurant mid-meal and force the server to foot the cost? Do you realize these people often make minimum wage or less and rely on tips to make a decent wage? (Same with hairdressers/barbers.) Now you want to take that from them? Or waste food from a deli that a homeless person or starving child would love? Why not just spit on all the food you can and flip tables/chairs on your way out?Metsfanmax wrote:http://www.pqed.org/2014/06/how-should- ... carry.htmla6mzero wrote:These open carry gun groups should be named terrorists. Bunch of thugs strolling around target or walmart wearing assault rifles scaring the hell out of everyone. They should all be arrested and have their damn guns melted down. Nothing but grownup punks.
The questions that concerns me now is how we bystanders should react when people come into a store with guns. There really is no legitimate way of determining intent. Even if the people with guns are carrying a sign claiming to be activists (which they do not do), they could be lying, just setting us all up for slaughter. And since there is no way to know what is on their minds, all we have are our instincts, but as we all should know, our instincts are often racist, classist, and frequently mistaken. So, what should we do?
My proposal is as follows: we should all leave. Immediately. Leave the food on the table in the restaurant. Leave the groceries in the cart, in the aisle. Stop talking or engaging in the exchange. Just leave, unceremoniously, and fast.
But here is the key part: don’t pay. Stopping to pay in the presence of a person with a gun means risking your and your loved ones’ lives; money shouldn’t trump this. It doesn’t matter if you ate the meal. It doesn’t matter if you’ve just received food from the deli counter that can’t be resold. It doesn’t matter if you just got a haircut. Leave. If the business loses money, so be it. They can make the activists pay.
How does that work?these people often make minimum wage or less
There are essentially two different minimum wages. One for average run of the mill jobs and one for servers where tips are primary part of the wage. Not sure where the whole tipping system originated, probably with the standard idea where you pay someone based on the quality of the job performed. Incentive or motivation based thinking. That way the best servers typically get paid the most.mrswdk wrote:How does that work?these people often make minimum wage or less
What's up with Americans and tipping? If someone tried to give me $2 for doing my job I'd tell them to stick it up their ass.
Do I want to take money from them? Of course not.patrickaa317 wrote:So you'd leave a restaurant mid-meal and force the server to foot the cost? Do you realize these people often make minimum wage or less and rely on tips to make a decent wage? (Same with hairdressers/barbers.) Now you want to take that from them? Or waste food from a deli that a homeless person or starving child would love? Why not just spit on all the food you can and flip tables/chairs on your way out?Metsfanmax wrote:http://www.pqed.org/2014/06/how-should- ... carry.htmla6mzero wrote:These open carry gun groups should be named terrorists. Bunch of thugs strolling around target or walmart wearing assault rifles scaring the hell out of everyone. They should all be arrested and have their damn guns melted down. Nothing but grownup punks.
The questions that concerns me now is how we bystanders should react when people come into a store with guns. There really is no legitimate way of determining intent. Even if the people with guns are carrying a sign claiming to be activists (which they do not do), they could be lying, just setting us all up for slaughter. And since there is no way to know what is on their minds, all we have are our instincts, but as we all should know, our instincts are often racist, classist, and frequently mistaken. So, what should we do?
My proposal is as follows: we should all leave. Immediately. Leave the food on the table in the restaurant. Leave the groceries in the cart, in the aisle. Stop talking or engaging in the exchange. Just leave, unceremoniously, and fast.
But here is the key part: don’t pay. Stopping to pay in the presence of a person with a gun means risking your and your loved ones’ lives; money shouldn’t trump this. It doesn’t matter if you ate the meal. It doesn’t matter if you’ve just received food from the deli counter that can’t be resold. It doesn’t matter if you just got a haircut. Leave. If the business loses money, so be it. They can make the activists pay.
Stats on gun murders in restaurants in states with open carry?Metsfanmax wrote:Do I want to take money from them? Of course not.patrickaa317 wrote:So you'd leave a restaurant mid-meal and force the server to foot the cost? Do you realize these people often make minimum wage or less and rely on tips to make a decent wage? (Same with hairdressers/barbers.) Now you want to take that from them? Or waste food from a deli that a homeless person or starving child would love? Why not just spit on all the food you can and flip tables/chairs on your way out?Metsfanmax wrote:http://www.pqed.org/2014/06/how-should- ... carry.htmla6mzero wrote:These open carry gun groups should be named terrorists. Bunch of thugs strolling around target or walmart wearing assault rifles scaring the hell out of everyone. They should all be arrested and have their damn guns melted down. Nothing but grownup punks.
The questions that concerns me now is how we bystanders should react when people come into a store with guns. There really is no legitimate way of determining intent. Even if the people with guns are carrying a sign claiming to be activists (which they do not do), they could be lying, just setting us all up for slaughter. And since there is no way to know what is on their minds, all we have are our instincts, but as we all should know, our instincts are often racist, classist, and frequently mistaken. So, what should we do?
My proposal is as follows: we should all leave. Immediately. Leave the food on the table in the restaurant. Leave the groceries in the cart, in the aisle. Stop talking or engaging in the exchange. Just leave, unceremoniously, and fast.
But here is the key part: don’t pay. Stopping to pay in the presence of a person with a gun means risking your and your loved ones’ lives; money shouldn’t trump this. It doesn’t matter if you ate the meal. It doesn’t matter if you’ve just received food from the deli counter that can’t be resold. It doesn’t matter if you just got a haircut. Leave. If the business loses money, so be it. They can make the activists pay.
Do I want to get massacred by someone who walks into a restaurant openly carrying a gun? Of course not.
If everyone believes those servers deserve that money then why not just make it mandatory for employers to pay them that much? Or else cut the other minimum wage, start getting everyone to tip bank tellers, shop clerks, lawyers etc.patrickaa317 wrote:There are essentially two different minimum wages. One for average run of the mill jobs and one for servers where tips are primary part of the wage. Not sure where the whole tipping system originated, probably with the standard idea where you pay someone based on the quality of the job performed. Incentive or motivation based thinking. That way the best servers typically get paid the most.mrswdk wrote:How does that work?these people often make minimum wage or less
What's up with Americans and tipping? If someone tried to give me $2 for doing my job I'd tell them to stick it up their ass.
riskllama wrote:Koolbak wins this thread.