Israel Plans to Restore Death Penalty for Everyone but Jews

[Serbia]

We do admit that this heinous act was in retaliation for another heinous act that saw three Israeli teens kidnapped and murdered by Palestinians, right? The retaliation is just as evil as the original act, but let's not pretend like it's one sided.

Bollocks.

[saxitoxin]

We do admit that this heinous act was in retaliation for another heinous act that saw three Israeli teens kidnapped and murdered by Palestinians, right? The retaliation is just as evil as the original act, but let's not pretend like it's one sided.

Bollocks.

Agreed. The Israeli parents are also to blame for choosing to move to, and raise children in, the front line of a war zone (settlements that have been declared illegal by the UN and even the US) and then encouraging them to incite the native population (see this explanation by Gen. Nitzan Nuriel of the IDF who says hitchhiking in the territories has little to do with transportation but is a type of political statement designed to humiliate the indigenous people ... http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/17/wo ... &referrer=).

[Serbia]

We do admit that this heinous act was in retaliation for another heinous act that saw three Israeli teens kidnapped and murdered by Palestinians, right? The retaliation is just as evil as the original act, but let's not pretend like it's one sided.

Bollocks.

Agreed. The Israeli parents are also to blame for choosing to move to, and raise children in, the front line of a war zone (settlements that have been declared illegal by the UN and even the US) and then encouraging them to incite the native population (see this explanation by Gen. Nitzan Nuriel of the IDF who says hitchhiking in the territories has little to do with transportation but is a type of political statement designed to humiliate the indigenous people ... http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/17/wo ... &referrer=).

So if the Palestinian kidnappers were put on trial, the defense should be simply "yes, we're guilty... but they were asking for it!"

Seems legit.

Bollocks.

[Dukasaur]

We do admit that this heinous act was in retaliation for another heinous act that saw three Israeli teens kidnapped and murdered by Palestinians, right? The retaliation is just as evil as the original act, but let's not pretend like it's one sided.

Bollocks.

Agreed. The Israeli parents are also to blame for choosing to move to, and raise children in, the front line of a war zone (settlements that have been declared illegal by the UN and even the US) and then encouraging them to incite the native population (see this explanation by Gen. Nitzan Nuriel of the IDF who says hitchhiking in the territories has little to do with transportation but is a type of political statement designed to humiliate the indigenous people ... http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/17/wo ... &referrer=).

The Jews are the indigenous people. The Bedouins are a nomadic tribe which sometimes grazes in Palestine, but whose proper home is Hejaz.

In 800 years of Ottoman rule, not a peep was heard about Palestine being ruled by Arabs. The trouble only began in 1921, after the Ottomans lost the land to the British. Being ruled by Christians didn't sit well with some Muslims, and they began cooking up the myth of a "Palestinian nation". Not a single mention of this "Palestinian nation" can be seen in any treaty before 1921. Palestine was just a convenient historical label for the region, referring to a piece of land and making no assumptions about the (mostly nomadic) peoples that occupied it.

After the British turned the land over to the Jews, this myth of a "Palestinian nation" grew and grew, since being ruled by Jews was regarded by the Muslims as even worse than being ruled by Christians. It's a vicious lie, one that has probably caused a million acts of violence.

[saxitoxin]

We do admit that this heinous act was in retaliation for another heinous act that saw three Israeli teens kidnapped and murdered by Palestinians, right? The retaliation is just as evil as the original act, but let's not pretend like it's one sided.

Bollocks.

Agreed. The Israeli parents are also to blame for choosing to move to, and raise children in, the front line of a war zone (settlements that have been declared illegal by the UN and even the US) and then encouraging them to incite the native population (see this explanation by Gen. Nitzan Nuriel of the IDF who says hitchhiking in the territories has little to do with transportation but is a type of political statement designed to humiliate the indigenous people ... http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/17/wo ... &referrer=).

So if the Palestinian kidnappers were put on trial, the defense should be simply "yes, we're guilty... but they were asking for it!"

Seems legit.

Bollocks.

The partisans should be tried and punished for the deaths of the two sixteen year olds, but so should the parents. If a parent takes their child to a snake handling church and the child is bitten and dies, both the preacher and the parents will be arrested. Who in their right mind would take their child to live in a war zone in order to fulfill a bible prophecy? These parents were a few cards short of a full deck. Unfortunately, they're representative of the Israeli government.

[saxitoxin]

We do admit that this heinous act was in retaliation for another heinous act that saw three Israeli teens kidnapped and murdered by Palestinians, right? The retaliation is just as evil as the original act, but let's not pretend like it's one sided.

Bollocks.

Agreed. The Israeli parents are also to blame for choosing to move to, and raise children in, the front line of a war zone (settlements that have been declared illegal by the UN and even the US) and then encouraging them to incite the native population (see this explanation by Gen. Nitzan Nuriel of the IDF who says hitchhiking in the territories has little to do with transportation but is a type of political statement designed to humiliate the indigenous people ... http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/17/wo ... &referrer=).

The Jews are the indigenous people. The Bedouins are a nomadic tribe which sometimes grazes in Palestine, but whose proper home is Hejaz.

In 800 years of Ottoman rule, not a peep was heard about Palestine being ruled by Arabs. The trouble only began in 1921, after the Ottomans lost the land to the British. Being ruled by Christians didn't sit well with some Muslims, and they began cooking up the myth of a "Palestinian nation". Not a single mention of this "Palestinian nation" can be seen in any treaty before 1921. Palestine was just a convenient historical label for the region, referring to a piece of land and making no assumptions about the (mostly nomadic) peoples that occupied it.

After the British turned the land over to the Jews, this myth of a "Palestinian nation" grew and grew, since being ruled by Jews was regarded by the Muslims as even worse than being ruled by Christians. It's a vicious lie, one that has probably caused a million acts of violence.

Yes, that's definitely the fringe version of history Newt Gingrich has floated. It first appeared in 2008 but seems to be puttering along in Baptist churches and august institutions like Oral Roberts University. Beyond that, it's too silly and uninformed to merit a reply.

[Serbia]

The Jews are the indigenous people. The Bedouins are a nomadic tribe which sometimes grazes in Palestine, but whose proper home is Hejaz.

In 800 years of Ottoman rule, not a peep was heard about Palestine being ruled by Arabs. The trouble only began in 1921, after the Ottomans lost the land to the British. Being ruled by Christians didn't sit well with some Muslims, and they began cooking up the myth of a "Palestinian nation". Not a single mention of this "Palestinian nation" can be seen in any treaty before 1921. Palestine was just a convenient historical label for the region, referring to a piece of land and making no assumptions about the (mostly nomadic) peoples that occupied it.

After the British turned the land over to the Jews, this myth of a "Palestinian nation" grew and grew, since being ruled by Jews was regarded by the Muslims as even worse than being ruled by Christians. It's a vicious lie, one that has probably caused a million acts of violence.

Yes, that's definitely the fringe version of history Newt Gingrich has floated. It first appeared in 2008 but seems to be puttering along in Baptist churches and august institutions like Oral Roberts University.

Did Duka and universalchiro just become best friends?



Bollocks.

[Dukasaur]

Make jokes if you wish, but the concept of a Palestinian nation was conjured out of thin air at the 1921 Cairo conference.

[Serbia]

Make jokes if you wish, but the concept of a Palestinian nation was conjured out of thin air at the 1921 Cairo conference.

Actually I don't argue this. Doesn't make my joke any less funny though.

Bollocks.

[Dukasaur]

Make jokes if you wish, but the concept of a Palestinian nation was conjured out of thin air at the 1921 Cairo conference.

Actually I don't argue this. Doesn't make my joke any less funny though.

Bollocks.

True enough.

[saxitoxin]

Make jokes if you wish, but the concept of a Palestinian nation was conjured out of thin air at the 1921 Cairo conference.

Dukasaur, I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but you're a Nazi.

Your Oral Roberts University / Young Earth Creationist version of history says "The Jews are the indigenous people." This is a cornerstone in Nazi race theory called "blood and soil nationalism." It's the idea that right to land doesn't proceed according to modern legal concepts like property deeds, but through ethnic lineages. This idea is considered bizarre and illegitimate in every corner of the world outside of Israel.

Outside of your Nazi race theory, this isn't a question of Hebrew vs. Arab. This is a question of who has legal title regardless of race. There are 50,000 property deeds on microfilm in Amman and London linked to 50,000 individual parcels of land whose owners are currently deprived access to, or use of, their property which is being used for the benefit of others without their permission. It's hilarious how so-called conservatives* extol the rights of individual property ownership secure from government interference without compensation until it comes to the Palestinians. What would you do if, tomorrow, the great-great-great-great-grandchildren of a person who lived on the land your house was built - but had moved out 1,000 years ago - showed up at your doorstep and kicked you out? They, or insurance, or the government paid you nothing in compensation. Your single biggest investment was simply wiped out, leaving you financially ruined.

Israel must pay fairly appraised value for seized properties, plus interest for loss of use, directly to the landowners of record. However, since it can't realistically hope to ever come up with the estimated $400 billion this would cost, the only other option is to delete Israel from the map and start over. This is not a question of bible prophecy like Israel supporters want to make it out to be, this is a straightforward probate question such as is decided every day in hundreds of Canadian courtrooms.

* I'm speaking only of the bible-beating conservatives who are Israeli hasbara like Glenn Beck, Michael Medved, Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, etc. Rational conservatives, like those one might find writing in Taki Theodoracopulos' American Conservative, have been admirably consistent in their position on property rights and support the rights of the Palestinian landowners over the thieves and squatters.

[DoomYoshi]

Make jokes if you wish, but the concept of a Palestinian nation was conjured out of thin air at the 1921 Cairo conference.

Dukasaur, I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but you're a Nazi.

Your Oral Roberts University / Young Earth Creationist version of history says "The Jews are the indigenous people." This is a cornerstone in Nazi race theory called "blood and soil nationalism." It's the idea that right to land doesn't proceed according to modern legal concepts like property deeds, but through ethnic lineages. This idea is considered bizarre and illegitimate in every corner of the world outside of Israel.

Outside of your Nazi race theory, this isn't a question of Hebrew vs. Arab. This is a question of who has legal title regardless of race. There are 50,000 property deeds on microfilm in Amman and London linked to 50,000 individual parcels of land whose owners are currently deprived access to, or use of, their property which is being used for the benefit of others without their permission. It's hilarious how so-called conservatives* extol the rights of individual property ownership secure from government interference without compensation until it comes to the Palestinians. What would you do if, tomorrow, the great-great-great-great-grandchildren of a person who lived on the land your house was built - but had moved out 1,000 years ago - showed up at your doorstep and kicked you out? They, or insurance, or the government paid you nothing in compensation. Your single biggest investment was simply wiped out, leaving you financially ruined.

Israel must pay fairly appraised value for seized properties, plus interest for loss of use, directly to the landowners of record (or their legal descendents through a probate process). However, since it can not realistically hope to ever come up with the estimated $300 billion this would cost, the only other option is to delete Israel from the map and start over.

* I'm speaking only of the bible-beating conservatives who are Israeli hasbara like Glenn Beck, Michael Medved, Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, etc. Rational conservatives, like those one might find writing in Taki Theodoracopulos' American Conservative, have been admirably consistent in their position on property rights and support the rights of the Palestinian landowners over the thieves and squatters.

From the Treaty of Paris:

It is agreed that Congress shall earnestly recommend it to the Legislatures of the respective States to provide for the Restitution of all Estates, Rights, and Properties, which have been confiscated belonging to real British Subjects; and also of the Estates, Rights, and Properties of Persons resident in Districts in the Possession on his Majesty's Arms and who have not borne Arms against the said United States.

Until you return Virgina to me, your stance on land ownership is rubbish.

[saxitoxin]

The Jews are the indigenous people.

“We must do everything to insure the Palestinians never do return. The old will die and the young will forget.”
- David Ben Gurion

The Jews are the indigenous people.

“It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both peoples. If the Arabs leave it, the country will become wide and spacious for us. There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighboring countries, and to transfer all of them, save perhaps a few.”
- Joseph Weitz

The Jews are the indigenous people.

"Everybody has to move; run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements, because everything we take now will stay ours."
- Ariel Sharon

The Jews are the indigenous people.

“The concept of ‘transferring’ European Jews to Palestine and ‘transferring’ the Palestinian people out is central to Zionism."
- David Ben Gurion

The Jews are the indigenous people.

"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves."
- Schlomo Lahat

The Jews are the indigenous people.

"There is no Zionism, colonization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
- Ariel Sharon

[Dukasaur]

http://www.zionism-israel.com/issues/return_detail.html

Arabs who lost property in Israel are eligible to file for compensation from Israel's Custodian of Absentee Property. As of the end of 1993, a total of 14,692 claims had been filed. Claims were settled for more than 200,000 dunams of land, more than 10,000,000 NIS (New Israeli Shekels) had been paid in compensation, and more than 54,000 dunams of replacement land had been given in compensation. No compensation has ever been paid to any of the more than 600,000 Jewish refugees from Arab countries, who were forced to leave and abandon their property.

[saxitoxin]

http://www.zionism-israel

Sorry, I stopped reading here. As a matter of personal policy, I don't read bible prophecy websites in discussions about real estate law.

[Dukasaur]

http://www.zionism-israel

Sorry, I stopped reading here. As a matter of personal policy, I don't read bible prophecy websites in discussions about real estate law.

Essentially, all legitimate claims have been paid long ago. The ridiculous numbers that gets bandied about are pure political rhetoric based on nothing but fantasy.

[saxitoxin]

http://www.zionism-israel

Sorry, I stopped reading here. As a matter of personal policy, I don't read bible prophecy websites in discussions about real estate law.

Essentially, all legitimate claims have been paid long ago. The ridiculous numbers that gets bandied about are pure political rhetoric based on nothing but fantasy.

Did you get that from the bible prophecy website?

Your bible prophecy website says US$1.5 million was paid in compensation. Arabs 726,000 in number were inhabiting land worth an aggregate value of just US$1.5 million? There's this thing called critical thinking, I recommend you look into it before you go sourcing bible prophecy websites. It will be less embarrassing.

[saxitoxin]

The third-generation U.S. citizen and resident of Tampa, Florida before Israeli police got to him and after Israeli police got to him -



The 5'6", 130 pound, 15 year-old Christian child was the last person to see the Palestinian child burned alive by Israelis. "Keep your mouth shut!" the Zionists howled as they pummeled him. The savagery continued even as the 15 year-old lay unconscious, his bleeding body crumpled on the ground. At one point the jackals took a brief break before returning to the surgical, methodical public torture they had practiced so many times before during experiments on Arab children pulled off the street for that purpose.



More Israeli attempts to burn little children alive have been occurring in the last day ...

Israeli settlers attempted to kidnap a seven-year-old Palestinian child in the Jerusalem neighborhood of Beit Hanina overnight Thursday, locals said.

Witnesses told Ma'an that four settlers from Pisgat Zeev tried to kidnap Muhammad Ali al-Kiswani while he was playing in the neighborhood late Thursday after breaking the Ramadan fast.

Children in the area alerted family members, who thwarted the attack, according to witnesses.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=709927

A Palestinian child, 13 years of age, is currently missing in occupied Jerusalem, amidst fears he had been abducted by Israeli extremists in Wadi Al-Jouz neighborhood, adjacent to the Walls of Jerusalem’s Old City.

http://www.imemc.org/article/68332

This is the world's most barbaric state. It can never have a place among civilized nations.

[a6mzero]

This is the world's most barbaric state. It can never have a place among civilized nations.

Bullshit.

[saxitoxin]

Cenk Uygur analyzes Dukusaur's Nazi-based "blood and soil" arguments for apartheid Israel and how all apartheid opponents are anti-Semitic ... the first 3 seconds when Uygur introduces Dukusaur are hysterical -



Meanwhile, the popular anti-Israel site MondoWeiss, which is edited by "anti-Semites" Adam HOROWITZ and Philip WEISS ( ) report that the American child almost beaten to death by uniformed Zionist slugs has now been sentenced to 8 days imprisonment for standing on a sidewalk reserved for God's chosen people after a "trial" in which he was not allowed to call witnesses, enter evidence, register a plea, make a statement, have an attorney, or receive consular aid from the U.S. embassy. To quote "anti-Semite" Max BLUMENTHAL ( ) this is part of the "layers of fake democracy" [sic] of the "proto-fascist" [sic] Israeli state.

Across the world, billions of peace loving people are united in the dream of a world without Israel. Only the U.S. block is holding up this Jenga tower ... and in the words of Ariel Sharon, "we control America."

[saxitoxin]

Tarek’s mother said that the family had received good support from the U.S. Consulate in Jerusalem. Asked whether the family had been contacted by either their member of Congress, Rep. Kathy Castor (D), or their Senators Marco Rubio (R) and Bill Nelson (D), with words of support, she said they had not.

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/07/ ... palestine/

Sick. If AIPAC didn't own Rubio, Nelson, and Castor, they should be screaming for Tel Aviv to be leveled in an airstrike. But one Israeli life is more important to Rubio and Nelson than 100 Americans. I'm frankly shocked that he got any support from the U.S. consulate at all with that rat Shapiro sitting in the ambassador's chair he bought. Some brave foreign service officers have probably put their careers on the line to help this child.

Human Rights groups, including Israel’s B’Tselem have reported that Palestinian children detained by Israeli occupation forces are routinely subjected to solitary confinement and other forms of mistreatment including rape. Israeli forces who attack Palestinians are almost never held accountable due to a pervasive culture of impunity.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali ... eli-police

Meanwhile, in Jerusalem, an Israeli mob chants "Death to Arabs" and stops cars to check people's ethnicity. Those who are not among God's chosen people are dragged out to be lynched. Police standby smiling. Just another day in "the middle east's only democracy" [sic].



UNITE!, the UK's largest labor union, has just voted for a full economic and cultural boycott of Israel and unspecified “bolder steps" as part of the fight against “the Israeli ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people.” It's time for the world to band together to force Israel to its knees. This monstrosity has no more right to exist than a rapist has a right to rape.

[Dukasaur]

Funny, one atrocity by the Jews and the forces of international socialism go into a mouth-frothing rage.

There are 100 atrocities a week by the Arabs and nobody on the left says a peep about them.

[saxitoxin]

one atrocity

Did you get that figure off another Bible prophecy website? Is it safe to assume it's just as accurate as your debunked bible prophecy compensation math from earlier in the thread?

Try 100 atrocities a day by Israelis. This just got attention because the victim was a U.S. citizen. The very existence of Israel is an atrocity.

by the Jews Israelis

edited for anti-Semitic content

forces of international socialism

well you're Canadian; I guess it makes sense you talk like Ted Cruz

But ultimately you're trying desperately to make this appear like support for Israel exists along an ideological divide, which it does not. There is no support for Israel among sane people either Left or Right. Here's Dr. Philip Giraldi, an 18-year veteran of the CIA and a staff columnist for American Conservative Magazine, declaring Israel is the #1 enemy of humanity. In the U.S. House, Thomas Massie (R), was the only member to vote against the so-called "U.S.-Israel Strategic Partnership Act" last year. People on the left and right hate Israel. The whole world is aligned against Israel. Its only friends are the friends it's bought in the U.S. congress and a handful of religious zealots it's duped and conned.

Your comment makes even less sense since Israel is a socialist state.

[a6mzero]

Your wonderful arab brethren in Iraq use drills and acetylene torches on each other. Now tell me about barbaric.They also rape and pull fingernails out with pliers however those two options don't sound too bad compared to the first two options.

[saxitoxin]

Your wonderful arab brethren in Iraq use drills and acetylene torches on each other.

Hilarious.

That's what happens in nations that are engulfed by anarchy and lawlessness. Why is Iraq engulfed by anarchy and lawlessness? It had a government, what happened? It was bombed into oblivion by the U.S. after Israel howled and howled for it to happen. Now, of course, the squatters are trying to send thousands of their cannon fodder (what Israelis consider Americans to be; meaningless lives put on Earth by God to serve them) into the wood chipper to ruin another of their enemies, Iran. Israel is a master of duplicity and deceit.