Game of Thrones Mafia 9/24 Night 6: End Game Vote 4 MVP

[boonetown]

@pancake – Hi. Nice to see you every once in a while.

You realize I've posted at least once per (24 hr) day today right? And that I've been vocal about my reads and opinions both here and in the QT through those posts?

I'm actually pretty surprised you were in favor of a charm lynch, especially since that's why you're voting Sirius, isn't it? Trying to start an easy wagon on her? Maybe that has little to do with her specifically, but if you thought she was scummy why not go along? While I'm at it, why not bring up the fact that you knew full well that charm was town and know how she plays, but your first reaction as soon as Crasp flipped was to out her as Varys? Charm had an eye on you and I don't think that was unfounded. Call it a hunch.

You wanted me, here I am.

##Unvote

##Vote Neb

Zivel, i had asked you about your shot twice and wanted you to talk to me about it before shooting. I hinted that i thought it should be discussed that the shot could be on legion instead... why did you not even bother to talk to me or discuss it...

1. I don't see that Legion posted his character name anywhere.
2. You also said that he should go for Charm. So...

i brought it up because i wanted to talk about it, and it's useless now. i have his character name.

[betiko]

pcm, i'm the one who outed charm's name. Crasp had been completely obsessed with charm telling us she was scum in our QT no matter the case discussed. The jak/robik message didn't help, neither did the fact that crasp told her that charm told him she was in king's landing. Oh well, it was worth trying. With crasp dead and their relationship not working at all, I don't feel like charm was any help to town (at least in here, don't know about her QT) or that her power left (sending 2 messages per night) was really important. anway... sorry charm and back to scum hunting for whatever is left today... looks like we are not too sure on what to do yet. I need to rethink things.

[MudPuppy]

Well, charm's flip puts a little suspicion on betiko and company. Not quite as much as if charm's pm thing wasn't confirmed since that mitigates the Jak/Robik QT "lie" a good bit since she may have told crasp something about talking with Jak and it was then interpreted as being a QT. Still, betiko reported that a confirmed townie told Dread Fort that charm said she was from Kings Landing and that charm had a QT with Jak. Both claims were denied by charm and both were proven false.

So, if betiko is telling truth about crasp... why would crasp report that??? That seems quite irresponsible for crasp to report half-truths or assumptions as fact in the QT even if he were "obsessed" with charm. I'm quite wary of that theory. If betiko and company are lying about crasp, then that opens up a whole new series of questions.

betiko, what is the date that crasp reported each of these "lies"?

[Zivel]

Zivel, i had asked you about your shot twice and wanted you to talk to me about it before shooting. I hinted that i thought it should be discussed that the shot could be on legion instead... why did you not even bother to talk to me or discuss it...

I have mentioned several times about my ability, you didnt say no to shoot, infact you said yes. So I shot. I didnt see legion as an option so didnt consider it. Next time say no or even better say wait. There is very little time in these days so you need to have a decent reason and info to back it up as the case on charm was solid enough for a lynch.

@pretender, so no response to my post? Just going to ignore it?

I shot charm to give us a second lynch, I am willing to do this if it is needed or wanted each day. Would prefer more time, these short days are killer.

@Rob and others: if you want to iso me (see all my posts) you can click on my name and and then click on search user posts. You may need to sift through other posts on the forum if the person posts in other forums.

[MudPuppy]

The jak/robik message didn't help, neither did the fact that crasp told her that charm told him she was in king's landing.

betiko, I'm confused at who the "her" in this sentence is referring to. Please clarify.

[betiko]

Well, charm's flip puts a little suspicion on betiko and company. Not quite as much as if charm's pm thing wasn't confirmed since that mitigates the Jak/Robik QT "lie" a good bit since she may have told crasp something about talking with Jak and it was then interpreted as being a QT. Still, betiko reported that a confirmed townie told Dread Fort that charm said she was from Kings Landing and that charm had a QT with Jak. Both claims were denied by charm and both were proven false.

So, if betiko is telling truth about crasp... why would crasp report that??? That seems quite irresponsible for crasp to report half-truths or assumptions as fact in the QT even if he were "obsessed" with charm. I'm quite wary of that theory. If betiko and company are lying about crasp, then that opens up a whole new series of questions.

betiko, what is the date that crasp reported each of these "lies"?

6th of july 5:30pm QT time (whatever time that is)
paraphrazing: he says charm thought only mafia could roleblock, that she can chose to send 2 pms at night to whoever she wants, that she just sent one to jak and that he has just been replaced, that she claims being town and that she is in KL but that crasp doesn't believe either.

[betiko]

The jak/robik message didn't help, neither did the fact that crasp told her that charm told him she was in king's landing.

betiko, I'm confused at who the "her" in this sentence is referring to. Please clarify.

that's just a typo, sorry, the "her" should've been a "us" (dread fort) and should've reread.

[charm]

So long, farewell, it's time to say goodbye....


I TOLD YOU SO!!!

[kgb007]

Well crap...I sort of echo betiko's sentiments though, not good to lose a town but her role was rather neutered and her posts/play weren't strong IMO. Now I'm not sure who the lynch will be, I'll vote AOG because I have to get a vote out. During the day is tough for me to follow but I'll try and get back before the deadline today. Interesting that pretender immediately fingers neb for reasons betiko quickly refutes so I'll be watching that too since a lot of you have been pushing against pretender as well

[kgb007]

My vote against AOG is for lying low and not really adding much substance in the posts he did make and when he did comment on stuff it wasn't that relevant the current discussion or a weak attempt to appear like participating

[kgb007]

Sorry for the triple post, commuting to work and playing by phone is taxing, but I can't think of anything he jumps out of doing other than riding the fence on betiko but "thinking he is town" and the vote on Zivel was without much reason, AOG has been critical of rob in our QT but his vote doesn't match what little posting behavior he's had

[Epitaph1]

Bah. I really didn't think charm would flip town--was fairly confident that she'd come back 3p. She dug her own grave though. It would have been much more helpful if she would have explained her mafia leads that she mentioned early D2. She said mtam, but also alluded to knowing more.

I've made some notes after reading the past few pages:

Re: Legion. I'm not inclined to lynch Legion at this point. At first, I thought the watcher/tracker/BP seemed overpowerful--is that what people mean by "OP"?--but really the BP just gives Legion a little more life since his is wasted away through the nights. In essence, he has 1.5 lifepoints, or 1 now that Rob hit him once. I think his investigation of Player Q is legitimate and not some ruse as others have suggested. Although, I found him to be VERY confusing when he was debating betiko about the Mr X debacle.

Re: boone's action. I don't think it's sound to assume that whoever used an action on boone last night is scum. The reason is because we've already knocked off a scum BD and RB, what other disruptive roles could they have and remain balanced? Again, it strikes me as overpowerful to give the mafia 3 roles that could majorly eff will town's results--admittedly, this is speculation on my part. The main reason last night's action on boone is scummy is that boone is one of the KL 3 who is mostly cleared. I don't think it was prudent to use a disruptive ability on one of the people from KL at this point.

I think someone suggested that Legion could be Melisandre. Fwiw, I don't think that's his character. Melisandre should be revealing alignments to Stannis if Stannis were alive. I don't really know who Legion is, maybe Jojen? I'm trying to think of a character who has his/her power sapped as (s)he uses it. Dondarrian?

Re: pretender. If this were the first time I had ever played with pretender, I would think he's scum for sure. But having played with him before, I'm actually leaning town. Yeah, that sounds absurd, but it's more of a comparative analysis based on other games I've played with him.

Finally, I really don't like SCK's play. Perhaps its because he came in late and had to digest a lot of information in a short amount of time, but I just time myself smh at a lot of his posts.

Top town: betiko, 3 KL peeps

Top scum or 3p: SCK, AoG, Zivel (3P)

fp'd three times

I'll try to elaborate on my AoG read soon. But it's along the lines of kgb's reasons.

[Army of GOD]

Sorry for the triple post, commuting to work and playing by phone is taxing, but I can't think of anything he jumps out of doing other than riding the fence on betiko but "thinking he is town" and the vote on Zivel was without much reason, AOG has been critical of rob in our QT but his vote doesn't match what little posting behavior he's had

Without much reason? Everyone, including me (I FOS'd him a while back) has been suspicious of Zivel since D1 and strike agrees with me that not being checkable is much more useful for mafia than town.


Also, I like how you criticize me for being on the fence about betiko yet you also criticize me for being decided towards Zivel. Kind of contradictory?

[strike wolf]

I am going to ##Vote Sirius. Out of the viable cases right now, I feel he is the most likely scum. The pretender case...has some merit but my read through on him, left me hard pressed to completely convince myself he is scum right now. I don't really feel like reiterating the case on SCK. He has seemingly skimmed the game and made up some stuff that didn't fit to boost his accusations. He and Legionnare are my top two choices.

[SiriusCowKing]

Hey everyone, I didn't had time to even log in in this game at all yesterday, crazy day at work and other stuff that I was late in. I didn't had time to really read everything today either and I don't think I will have time for it. I quickly saw that people were on my case because of my latest play. Let me be clear on this matter:

I miss read stuff, misinterpreted evidence, and threw out a badly written theory. In my head it made sense at the time, it doesn't anymore. I have no idea what's going on at all and don't know who I should vote on. Throw all your FOS and votes on me, you will just waste a lynch. I am happy to just follow the badwagons until the end of the game, if you would rather replace me I am fine with that too.

According to the vote count charm got immunity this time, probably that someone used an ability to protect her.

[MudPuppy]

Limited access today. Typing this from phone in airport. Timeline of crasp post checks out as message to Jak supposedly sent on July 5th. I'm guilty of skimming a bit as I had it in my head that betiko said they had private QT together when it was only the two messages per night... Which I guess were delivered via QT.

Not confident about today's vote. Gonna put down SCK but I'm leaning to bad town play for him. My last rreview of pretender was less scummy than I expected. Still suspicious of legion but he appears to be acting townish lately... Also curious to see what if anything comes of robik's action on him.

[pretender77]

Zivel, i had asked you about your shot twice and wanted you to talk to me about it before shooting. I hinted that i thought it should be discussed that the shot could be on legion instead... why did you not even bother to talk to me or discuss it...

I have mentioned several times about my ability, you didnt say no to shoot, infact you said yes. So I shot. I didnt see legion as an option so didnt consider it. Next time say no or even better say wait. There is very little time in these days so you need to have a decent reason and info to back it up as the case on charm was solid enough for a lynch.

@pretender, so no response to my post? Just going to ignore it?

I shot charm to give us a second lynch, I am willing to do this if it is needed or wanted each day. Would prefer more time, these short days are killer.

@Rob and others: if you want to iso me (see all my posts) you can click on my name and and then click on search user posts. You may need to sift through other posts on the forum if the person posts in other forums.

Zivel Im working on it...my "whole" case on you has been one based on feelings rather than cold hard evidence which is why I haven't gone full throttle and gotten other people to try to vote you. I'm reading back through the threads to see if I can find anything concrete on you

[betiko]

Sck, given the time left i think you should claim.

Charm is dead, no immunity.

[legionnare]

@Neb and Epi;
You've both misunderstood my role; so to clarify again = I start with 2 life, each use of an ability drains .5 life, I have use them 3 times so I have .5 life left, I have a one-shot BP on top of that so Robik's .5 shot would have killed me if I didn't have the BP. The only point I'm unsure about the BP is if Robiks .5 takes only half the BP or all of it. I'm assuming all of it. So I have .5 life left and if Robik uses it on me again it will kill me.

FP'd By Mud, Pretender and Betiko

[pancakemix]

pcm, i'm the one who outed charm's name.

I know, you beat him to the punch. My point is you had a reason t believe charm was scummy. Neb just wanted to do it.

[betiko]

@Neb and Epi;
You've both misunderstood my role; so to clarify again = I start with 2 life, each use of an ability drains .5 life, I have use them 3 times so I have .5 life left, I have a one-shot BP on top of that so Robik's .5 shot would have killed me if I didn't have the BP. The only point I'm unsure about the BP is if Robiks .5 takes only half the BP or all of it. I'm assuming all of it. So I have .5 life left and if Robik uses it on me again it will kill me.

FP'd By Mud, Pretender and Betiko

Could this be jaqen?
Anyway why didn t you ask if you lost half of your BP or all of it to storr?

[Army of GOD]

Also, kgb, the reason why I"m posting in the QT is because you guys pissed your pants when I said (and followed through with) that I don't want to post much in the QT.

Also also, you say with confidence that there's only one scum in Braavos while betiko says the check came back as 1/5? That's somewhat fishy and naive.

[27ninjabunnies]

So is it bad I forgot about this game?

It probably is.

##Vote: No lynch until I can read and catch up

[betiko]

Also, kgb, the reason why I"m posting in the QT is because you guys pissed your pants when I said (and followed through with) that I don't want to post much in the QT.

Also also, you say with confidence that there's only one scum in Braavos while betiko says the check came back as 1/5? That's somewhat fishy and naive.

Lebron signed for the cavs bitch. Still rooting for miami now, hummm??

[27ninjabunnies]

Also, why are there votes on Neb?

He's more likely town than not town.
His posting is actually been really good.

Fp by betiko