Game of Thrones Mafia 9/24 Night 6: End Game Vote 4 MVP

[betiko]

Any "news from Dread Fort," betiko?
With the confirmed uncheckable Zivel gone from from the city, I'd be interested to see Mr. X recheck Braavos to see if it comes back 1/5 again.

Did you kill zivel?

Oops i m sorry, misread the qt completely... Anything you have to share regarding robik?

[MudPuppy]

Any "news from Dread Fort," betiko?
With the confirmed uncheckable Zivel gone from from the city, I'd be interested to see Mr. X recheck Braavos to see if it comes back 1/5 again.

Did you kill zivel?

Oops i m sorry, misread the qt completely... Anything you have to share regarding robik?

No on both counts... but I see where you're going with 2nd and will verify... Throne is in Braavos. I'd like to make sure it's not occupied by scum. I don't know the answer... but it ties into my first statement of having Mr. X recheck us. I'd expect a return of either 2/5 if a townie is sitting on it or 1/5 if it went to a our lone scum. Would prefer to not say much else at the moment.

[IAmRobik]

Any "news from Dread Fort," betiko?
With the confirmed uncheckable Zivel gone from from the city, I'd be interested to see Mr. X recheck Braavos to see if it comes back 1/5 again.

Did you kill zivel?

Oops i m sorry, misread the qt completely... Anything you have to share regarding robik?

No on both counts... but I see where you're going with 2nd and will verify... Throne is in Braavos. I'd like to make sure it's not occupied by scum. I don't know the answer... but it ties into my first statement of having Mr. X recheck us. I'd expect a return of either 2/5 if a townie is sitting on it or 1/5 if it went to a our lone scum. Would prefer to not say much else at the moment.

You're already stating too much.

I will say this since we are guaranteed to have scum in braavos: we have the ability to give one of the braavosians .5 extra life today.

[IAmRobik]

Also, not sure if we want to do this or not, but we can have everyone post twice that is able to post and then we will figure out who the pseudo-mute is. Also, if someone wants to just claim that they muted someone, that's cool too (please explain why you did this as well)

[betiko]

Also, not sure if we want to do this or not, but we can have everyone post twice that is able to post and then we will figure out who the pseudo-mute is. Also, if someone wants to just claim that they muted someone, that's cool too (please explain why you did this as well)

Flavour says strike. I have been spoiled this part of the books

Also, i m kind of considering a mass claim at this point....
I will write a post tomorrow with all the declared actions.

[MudPuppy]

You're already stating too much.

Well, in our QT yesterday, I proposed outing the throne location to the main thread. If you had a concern, it should have been stated in the Braavos thread. Since there is still one scum in Braavos, all scum now know its location. I thought it best to let the other town folk know and to ask Mr. X for assistance in determining if it fell into the hands of scum.

[IAmRobik]

Also, not sure if we want to do this or not, but we can have everyone post twice that is able to post and then we will figure out who the pseudo-mute is. Also, if someone wants to just claim that they muted someone, that's cool too (please explain why you did this as well)

Flavour says strike. I have been spoiled this part of the books

Also, i m kind of considering a mass claim at this point....
I will write a post tomorrow with all the declared actions.

I had a post written up but f5'd accidentally cause I forgot that I hadn't posted as I went back to doing work, and now it's gone.

cliffs of what I wanted to post:
[*]at least 1 day too early for mass claim unless I'm really wrong about 6-7 mafia
[*]who did SCK roleblock
[*]2kp last night versus 1kp from the night before. Interesting because I put my .5 on neb, so would want to know who he put his .5 on.
[*]I forget what else I wanted to post, but i wanted to have another "point"

[IAmRobik]

You're already stating too much.

Well, in our QT yesterday, I proposed outing the throne location to the main thread. If you had a concern, it should have been stated in the Braavos thread. Since there is still one scum in Braavos, all scum now know its location. I thought it best to let the other town folk know and to ask Mr. X for assistance in determining if it fell into the hands of scum.

Oh, that's not what I'm referring to, but yeah, outing that the throne is in Braavos is perfectly fine. Exactly why I outed that we have .5 life to give to someone in Braavos.

Also, I proposed that I receive the .5 life.

[IAmRobik]

I also conjectured that mafia targeted Zivel because they thought that he may have the throne.
Puppy retorted that they could have killed Zivel because of the killing ability.
I think both theories are probably spot on.

Unless neb claims to have targeted Zivel, which would make me want to insta-lynch him.

[pancakemix]

I also conjectured that mafia targeted Zivel because they thought that he may have the throne.
Puppy retorted that they could have killed Zivel because of the killing ability.
I think both theories are probably spot on.

Unless neb claims to have targeted Zivel, which would make me want to insta-lynch him.

I find the former doubtful, considering flavor. Neither a girl nor a Stark would have any business on the Iron Throne.

I'm also leery of a mass claim. There are 10 remaining with no name claim, and I could probably name more than 10 characters of relevance that aren't already dead. Plus, we have no way to call bull on a claim we don't like.

It would be interesting to look back and see who besides pretender pushed for a Zivel lynch following his claim.

[Army of GOD]

It would be interesting to look back and see who besides pretender pushed for a Zivel lynch following his claim.

I sort of did but only because I didn't trust it, not because I was afraid of it. Like I said when Zivel claimed, his power of only shooting when we know character and player name isn't much help to town because he only risks killing town (and he went 1/1 in that department).

[legionnare]

voting KGB to test PCM's claim makes sense to me.

[legionnare]

Posting twice to show I'm not muted. Will wait to hear what KGB has to say.
Also with info coming out of Braavos and there still being scum in the city I see no harm in saying I also asked for the .5 so I can perform another check.

[SiriusCowKing]

Hey everyone, I had to work all day yesterday, helping someone out. I will be out today too. I was hoping I would get back home in time to PM my target for the roleblock but it took longer than expected, so I didn't get the chance to roleblock anyone. In the morning I was waiting on people to come in with arguments over who I should roleblock so I didn't sent my PM right away. I understand how suspicious it makes me look and I will understand if you FOS me or even lynch me. I blame StorrZerg on this one for having such short nights.

Hey zerg, since I missed the chance to block someone, can I send my PM and the target will receive a PM even if it doesn't actually roleblocks him?

[IAmRobik]

Hey everyone, I had to work all day yesterday, helping someone out. I will be out today too. I was hoping I would get back home in time to PM my target for the roleblock but it took longer than expected, so I didn't get the chance to roleblock anyone. In the morning I was waiting on people to come in with arguments over who I should roleblock so I didn't sent my PM right away. I understand how suspicious it makes me look and I will understand if you FOS me or even lynch me. I blame StorrZerg on this one for having such short nights.

Hey zerg, since I missed the chance to block someone, can I send my PM and the target will receive a PM even if it doesn't actually roleblocks him?

I can't believe I'm considering letting this slide

[betiko]

I still don t know what X found out last night, but i think he visited storm s end rather than braavos.
As i implied earlier, Y's result is that mudpuppy visited robik

[IAmRobik]

Any "news from Dread Fort," betiko?
With the confirmed uncheckable Zivel gone from from the city, I'd be interested to see Mr. X recheck Braavos to see if it comes back 1/5 again.

Did you kill zivel?

Oops i m sorry, misread the qt completely... Anything you have to share regarding robik?

No on both counts... but I see where you're going with 2nd and will verify... Throne is in Braavos. I'd like to make sure it's not occupied by scum. I don't know the answer... but it ties into my first statement of having Mr. X recheck us. I'd expect a return of either 2/5 if a townie is sitting on it or 1/5 if it went to a our lone scum. Would prefer to not say much else at the moment.

I still don t know what X found out last night, but i think he visited storm s end rather than braavos.
As i implied earlier, Y's result is that mudpuppy visited robik

If this is true, I'd love for mudpuppy to verify that I visited Neb. If he says that's not true then he's scum.

[IAmRobik]

Also, Betiko, what are your thoughts on SCK "forgetting to RB someone" after being so adamant about the fact that he will 100% prove himself.

[IAmRobik]

Also, what was the voting like to grant SCK immunity from lynch? Was it unanimous or did anyone oppose?

[betiko]

Any "news from Dread Fort," betiko?
With the confirmed uncheckable Zivel gone from from the city, I'd be interested to see Mr. X recheck Braavos to see if it comes back 1/5 again.

Did you kill zivel?

Oops i m sorry, misread the qt completely... Anything you have to share regarding robik?

No on both counts... but I see where you're going with 2nd and will verify... Throne is in Braavos. I'd like to make sure it's not occupied by scum. I don't know the answer... but it ties into my first statement of having Mr. X recheck us. I'd expect a return of either 2/5 if a townie is sitting on it or 1/5 if it went to a our lone scum. Would prefer to not say much else at the moment.

I still don t know what X found out last night, but i think he visited storm s end rather than braavos.
As i implied earlier, Y's result is that mudpuppy visited robik

If this is true, I'd love for mudpuppy to verify that I visited Neb. If he says that's not true then he's scum.

Why would mudpuppy know who you visited? If he claimed tracker I missed that one.

[IAmRobik]

I still don t know what X found out last night, but i think he visited storm s end rather than braavos.
As i implied earlier, Y's result is that mudpuppy visited robik

oh, sorry. I didn't understand this completely. Would kinda be interested in what voodoo mudpuppy did to me

[Epitaph1]

Quick thoughts before the long thought:

I think it's pretty clear from the scene that Strike is dead but not dead one.

I'm against the mass claim atm primarily because there are still too many unknowns and it seems premature, but also we have something substantive we can focus on for today (see below).

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Long thought re: Neb v. PCM v KGB:

My reads on Neb and PCM before the claims were similar to Strike's: I thought Neb seemed town but PCM was more neutral to me. I didn't find PCM's result very reliable given Neb's claim and confirmation from bunnies, but PCM's claim also didn't strike me as a scum move--too bold, too much could go wrong to be orchestrated. Now, he has a scum result on KGB for us to test his claim.

Here's my concern re: the KGB result. If we lynch KGB and he flips scum, we're going to lynch Neb tomorrow. What if PCM is really scum and throwing one of his scum buddies (KGB) under the bus in order to 1) gain town cred and 2) take out 2 town when we lynch Neb and consequently bunnies? That's a 2 for 1 deal with a leftover scum in good standing with the town.

Again, this still seems to difficult to be orchestrated and the timing doesn't seem right. There are still plenty of people left and we've already lynched two scum. If the scenario I described is accurate, it would make more sense as an endgame move--but I don't think we're at that point yet.

Any thoughts on this? If PCM's town, then lynching KGB will net us 2 scum in the end.

[pancakemix]

Also, what was the voting like to grant SCK immunity from lynch? Was it unanimous or did anyone oppose?

Neb and I voted for it, SCK's vote was formatted wrong, and pretender didn't vote.

[kgb007]

Sorry for the delay guys, getting ready to move on Tuesday and it's been really hectic, onto the game.

Not sure what to make of PCM's results but he's 100000% wrong on me. My first thought was that he's a paranoid cop given his claim and the fallout from Neb/bunnies. I can't understand why he would get an anti-town result on Neb if Neb is Jamie and bunnies is confirming everything about Neb's claim. Redirector/bus driver would explain the Neb result but I don't think that's what happened. I think it's much more likely he's either paranoid or scum.

I am Daenerys Targaryen and I guess you'd call me the town JOAT. I didn't have a good feel on N1 so I didn't do anything. On N2, I tracked Jonty because I watched his voting patterns on D1 (bandwagoned on crasp then firth) and on D2 (zivel and no lynch) which got my attention - I thought that was a curious move given how he had voted previously and the minimal posts. Turns out, I ended up picking the wrong no lynch voter as obviously Jonty died N2.

N3 I doc'd Strike Wolf given all the activity in KL. Both actions were one time uses.

I have two other abilities that I haven't exercised yet. One is a day OR night kill that I couldn't activate until D4 and haven't used and the other is a doublevoter/extra vote, each one time uses. I can PM the mod and my extra vote appears however I want, I don't know that I'd allow any singular person try to tell me what to do with these actions

Here's my problem with PCM/SCK now:

SCK offers to use his RB to "prove his townness" but doesn't bc:

Hey everyone, I had to work all day yesterday, helping someone out. I will be out today too. I was hoping I would get back home in time to PM my target for the roleblock but it took longer than expected, so I didn't get the chance to roleblock anyone. In the morning I was waiting on people to come in with arguments over who I should roleblock so I didn't sent my PM right away. I understand how suspicious it makes me look and I will understand if you FOS me or even lynch me. I blame StorrZerg on this one for having such short nights.

Hey zerg, since I missed the chance to block someone, can I send my PM and the target will receive a PM even if it doesn't actually roleblocks him?

I can sympathize with the short day/night phases, I think the weekends shouldn't count towards the time but that's a discussion for another day but somebody did tell you what to do with your action...

You should have blocked someone even if you weren't getting an overall consensus from us

Hey, do we have an anti-town count in storms end? because 3 of the people there are dead and they were all townies. The remaining ones alive are: nebuchadnezer, pancakemix, and me. I can prove that I am town by roleblocking the target that you want me to like I just said. Which means that 1 or both of the 2 others are mafia. FOS and I think we should look into that as soon as possible.

You should block Neb. He's scum. And it's more than a hunch.

I am Tywin Lannister. I can use my wealth to learn someone's alignment, but there's a catch: Other Lannisters will return as town regardless of alignment. I investigated Neb N1 to see if there was someone I could trust in Storm's End. Turns out he's anti town. I checked Jak/Robik N2 and was roleblocked. With the roleblocks out now, I'm thouroughly confused. My guess is that Robik can't be checked, like Zivel. N3 I got a town result on Pretender (and I hinted at this during the day). I knew either he or Neb was Joffrey (in case you didn't piece it together the throne was in Storm's End) but I didn't know if Joffrey was a "Lannister" or not. Based on my result N3, I take it he was.

Why am I telling you this now? Frankly, I'm feeling a bit chicken. Plus we were having pretty good luck before yesterday and I was thinking about doing it then but I didn't.

So yeah. Block Neb.

I'm willing to bet that PCM is scum given the errored N1 results, his accusation against Neb and claims from Neb/bunnies. Not to mention the WRONG result on me. That post reeks of desperation from scum as trying to eliminate any players with killing abilities not marked scum. I don't expect to live through tonight myself now that I've given my role, double voting could be huge for us as it could stop mafia from end gaming us in a lynch..

[pancakemix]

@KGB: You assume that:

1. I knew what Neb's role was
2. I knew what YOUR role was

Neither of which is possible, considering neither of you had claimed at that point. Even if that were true, wouldn't I go for Robik by that logic?

Also, if you have the power to kill me and you think I'm scum, why haven't you yet? You also neglected to give results for Jonty, which suggests you haven't thought that far ahead, perhaps?

We got ourselves a scum here, ladies and gentlemen.