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[Metsfanmax]

Why was BG replaced?

[got tonkaed]

Why was BG replaced?

Not sure it would matter.

I'm ok with unvote Pixar as well. Last post from Pixar is enough for me to steer clear for the time being.

[Epitaph1]

Why was BG replaced?

He asked to be replaced.

[strike wolf]

Confirm.

[virus90]

ok well i agree with what wing and hotshot have said this day.
in my (and their) opinion:
mtam, HP until proven otherwise.
storr, filch until proven otherwise

Also i think the push on pixar is legit. he now semi claimed something that prevented a kill n1. but to be honest thats not enough in my opinion its not verifyable (is that a word?) and needs more then just some vague "i saved the day".

as for pixar madmitch and charm wanting to lynch mtam i am pretty surprised... pixar will have to claim for it i guess, the others might be nice for further investigation.

at this point though it might just aswell be that a majority of scum is not really participating and joining the discussion. i think we should try to pull in some more people. (not saying i, myself am a huge poster, but to many hiding places for now)

also i think later during this day i will look further into the quick wagon formed late d1. not sure what to make of it but was strange for sure.

[degaston]

I'm ok with unvote Pixar as well. Last post from Pixar is enough for me to steer clear for the time being.

Tonka, I'm wondering why you were so quick to accept pixar's soft-claim.

Softclaiming is not a particularly liked practice, as it gives the scum information about who is worth killing at Night while depriving the Town of the aspects of the role that are interesting to them.

By unvoting him, are you suggesting that he has said enough, and we should find someone else to focus on?

[Ragian]

actually what do you guys think of mtam claiming Hairy Potter but the scum not targetting him? kind of fishy...

I think we found our lynch for today.

Pixar's on the top of my scum list right now, but I'd still appreciate an explanation for whether you could, or could not be killed in the night.

Regardless if I can or cannot be targeted, this is not a pro town question to be asking.

I don't think refusing to provide answers to questions that are asked of you is a pro-town thing to do - it makes you look suspicious, which leads to more questions, which can lead to a lynch, which would then be a wasted day (at best) if you're town.
So, why do you keep doing it?

sempai

You may want mtam to answer all questions in order for you to believe him, but as many others have stated, if he is indeed HP (which we must believe at this stage), it only helps scum to know how to get rid of him. Therefore, the question shouldn't be answered. That's just sound play.

I don't know charm and mad so I have no clue how much experience they have, but it kinda fits Pix's MO to do the exact opposite of logic because he hasn't really thought everything through. For that and for that only, I wouldn't want a Pix lynch - but the obvious counterargument is, of course, that I would never lynch Pix then and thus he would get away with being scum. However, I've played with him as scum. He was much more composed (we also tutored him) than now where he seems like an elephant in a porcelain shop.

I cannot understand why anyone would go for mtam at this stage. There's nothing solid on him. HP is the mother of all roles in this game - the clue is in the title. Even I (as someone who knows shite about HP) realise that. Therefore I'm asking if charm and mad are experienced players because I think that it's better to look there that to be looking at Pix (who hinted at a role that is important to town).

[degaston]

actually what do you guys think of mtam claiming Hairy Potter but the scum not targetting him? kind of fishy...

I think mtam's role is total BS. He knows if he claims something so powerful he won't get lynched as well as stating he wont get night killed either.

unvote vote mtam

If there is a possible 2 Night Kills for the scum I might be the reason why there was only one kill last night, Will claim if need be.

You're claiming that you may have prevented a night kill, and you also knew that mtam claimed he couldn't be night killed, so why do you think it's fishy that Mtam was not night killed?

[got tonkaed]

It seems logical enough for me. I don't believe at the moment that pixar would have said it as a fakeclaim. But by all means, keep prodding.

[dazza2008]

Still going after Pix when he said that and some of us explained pix's standard play is scummy.

Fastposted. I agree. I can't see pix faking that. Not saying pix is stupid but in mafia he seems to be. As shitty as his play seems he is one of the players I am most sure is town.

[StorrZerg]

Why was BG replaced?

He couldn't keep up with the game. Kinda obvious he just wanted me dead to lessen the volume of posts ( he said so that is). The excuse was storr 3rd party.
This is good.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Can someone give an explanation of how recruitment works? Mafiawiki isnt particularly helpful on the subject.

I have suspicions that a low number of nightkills may be linked to a clan recruitment. However, I am very inexperienced and have never experienced something like this so am looking for guidance on the subject from an experienced player.

[dazza2008]

Can someone give an explanation of how recruitment works? Mafiawiki isnt particularly helpful on the subject.

I have suspicions that a low number of nightkills may be linked to a clan recruitment. However, I am very inexperienced and have never experienced something like this so am looking for guidance on the subject from an experienced player.

There are many reasons why there could have been less kills. To be honest though we have only had 1 night. 1 kill could be the norm. There doesn't have to be a third party killing role or anything and the town vig. was lynched.

Anyway the recruiting roles i know of are cult and recruiting mason. Masons are town so nothing to worry about. Cult is anti town. Each night they can recruit a new member. Normally they can only recruit town and if they try to recruit scum they die.

I don't know the flavour at all so i can't even guess what there could be but guessing why there was 1 kill after 1 night is not going to get us anywhere I reckon.

The way ahead is looking for scum and hopefully lynching some.

[dd515087]

Well there you go you knuckleheads we just lost two townies. Pixar and I were right, mtam should have been hung even with the so called HP claim, VOTE MTAM

MTam - I'm inclined to vote for you too, unless you bring forward something useful. You said you were taking care of Storr or something to that affect early on in Day 1 (don't ask me to quote it. my computer had a hard drive crash, so I'm limping on here). Then you talk about a present that Storr says he did not receive.

FOS MTam

Definitely going to need to take a closer look at these two, I don't think anyone really likes the way mtam is playing, but HARRY POTTER. No cc yet, then I see no reason to vote or suspect him. Also, I don't recall seeing too many posts from either.

This is on top of Pixar voting Mtam before madmitch did, but I'll get to him later.

fucking christ...

Sorry for making the mislynch more difficult for you.

YOu are an annoyance. You make the entire game about you and/or Mtam. You dont care about the town, you care about self-preservation. You havent fully claimed. You posted so much bullshit it makes it harder for the other 20 people to follow the game.

Also, you know damn well how I feel about the phrase "scum hunting" Its a stupid concept that you use to try to get your way. We're all here trying to lynch scum. Well, except you, who is looking to survive, right? I think you've played awful. I thin,k youre hurting town chances. So, what is a typical town win condition? You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. That includes you....

So, waste your vote, bc you know what? Most people think youre full of shit and shouldve been lynched. However, they dont grasp the full concept of the threat that a rogue 3rd party player is. Especially one like you. So, they get hung up on "We gotta find scum" IN a game this size, hell, Id argue any size, any player not looking out 100% for town, is harmful to town. So, when the chips are down and its the end of the game, and we need 1 vote to lynch scum and win the game, I dont want that 1 vote to be in your hands. Because you will do whatever it takes for YOU to win the game and not what is in the bestinterest of town....

I like this post from BG, I don't know why people think he is scummy I've been leaning town on him for most of the game. Not that it matters too much as now we have strike. Who I think will be easier to read because he keeps up with the game more, but I see no reason to pursue a lynch here.

Lynching storr at this point seems to be a waste of resources. Given that night actions seemingly worked in town's favor, its not like we are hitting lylo tomorrow or something. People jumping on the storr/mtam trains at this point are either not really trying or shooting for easy lynches.

Vote Pixar.

Based on reasons above.

You say this as you jump on the Pixar train...

Why was BG replaced?

Not sure it would matter.

I'm ok with unvote Pixar as well. Last post from Pixar is enough for me to steer clear for the time being.

And then jump off immediately with only a soft-claim? vote get tonkaed

If there is a possible 2 Night Kills for the scum I might be the reason why there was only one kill last night, Will claim if need be.

Blah. I hate soft-claims. I would vote you if not for wanting to vote tonka more. I think you might as well full-claim at this point personally.

[charm]

Hi guys - I'm back! My computer is fixed too. Any of you miss me?

Who hit me with the curse last night?

@MTam - Was that the present you supposedly sent to Storr?

If yes, then I guess you proved yourself and someone somehow sent it to me.

I am purposely being vague and not stating what the curse is - but I am in no way happy about it!
I hope someone ends up with vomit bertle botte jelly beans.

[StorrZerg]

@Dd5 bg wasn't scummy, he just doesn't have the time to play in such a high post count game.

hence the push on him to either 1, be replaced, or 2 start playing. others beside myself needed to bother him to get him to react

[strike wolf]

dSomehow I feel my first official act as BG's replacement should be to vote storr...

Pixar's fake claim is just... :S to me. I don't really know what to make of it exactly. I mean I have a guess as to what he wants us to make of it but the only why answer I get is complete wifom.

Storr is still third partying. There's no reason to make a case on him right now (unless we find out he's lying which is a possibility).

I still want to look back into some people.

[strike wolf]

Oh and since I forgot. Dega, what were your results?

[Streaker]

@Dd5 bg wasn't scummy, he just doesn't have the time to play in such a high post count game.

hence the push on him to either 1, be replaced, or 2 start playing. others beside myself needed to bother him to get him to react

Though I did not have a scummy feeling about BG, the point that wing raises is valid (read his previous post about BG dragging conversation into a wrong direction).

Pixar soft claiming doesn't make me feel better. I want to see more pressure here. Now time to go back and look at that last fast wagon as virus stated (virus town imo).

[dd515087]

Apparently the quick-lynch on Pershy needs to be revisited so I will do my part. I've already stated why I voted him (I believed we could get more traction on him over Storr, I was, and still am, against a Degaston lynch)

Here's everyone else:

We have less than an hour to switch. I'm willing to move .

You seem to be the only one although there are like 5 or 6 people on...

Oh well unvote, vote pershy let's see if this works

Too little too late.... We don't have the time to save Deg. Let's hope the scum reads on him were right. I'll stick around just in case we get more movement but I think the tribe has already spoken.

Pretty much says that he would rather have Pershy than Degaston, but doesn't vote... He says if enough people do it then I will. My question is: why? You could've just thrown your support behind a pershy or a deg lynch here, but instead you left it ambiguous, which is scummy to me.

Important Interruption:

Spoiler

UNVOTE
VOTE PERSHY
Dd came and defended himself nicely.

Then we have Endgame come in and make this vote... Are you fucking serious? This guy is scummy as all hell. I'm about to make a case on him soon (probably tomorrow)

(deleted what happened in previous quote)

We have time, switch your vote. Sempai had 2 votes remember

Not sure I want to vote Severus out. Would rather vote Argus out.
What does Epitaph's impasse mean? Does a tie equate to No Lynch?:

11. Deadlines WILL be set when I feel like they should. Pay attention to them. If a deadline is reached due to inactivity, the player with the most vote will be considered lynched.If a deadline is reached due to an impasse, I will consider it a no lynch and the game will go into night phase without a death.

Nothing of import here really, seems to understand flavor (which points to this game being based on the end of the Harry Potter series if Snape is town)

4 votes pershy.

3 new ones to tie, 4 to lynch

So, if Semp & I vote for the tie is that a No Lynch?

No... How does that make any sense? Need 3, you plus sempai = 2... Maybe you're just bad at math. I won't count this against you for now.

Unvote
Vote Pershy

OK Semp... It's on you. Hope a tie would result in a no lynch so we can get a read from Mad Eye tonight and not lynch Snape.

So this vote really means nothing (no matter what MudPuppy believes is proper math), but also BG voted deg in the mean time, so even under MudPuppy's false math this means nothing.

After this we get some a few comments between Storr, BG, strike, and mtam... To me all of them seem townie comments and I don't have much to say until... (sorry this is a tangent)

So why are people switching off deg?

He claimed sudo cop, mad eye moody

WOW YOU ARE MAD EYE MOODY AND THIS IS HOW YOU DECIDED TO PLAY YOU ARE SO BAD...

*inserts wink face*

You fucking kidding me? You're "Harry fucking Potter" (allegedly) and you had half of the players convinced you were scum. You have no right to say shit to Deg, who is much more townie than you. The only reason you haven't been lynched is because you have no counter claim. Literally nobody has called you town besides that fact

Vote Pershy
Don't like that he nameclaimed, only - Snape was also a dick to Harry, and only turned out to be a hero at the very end.

FP'd by BG and Mud - would be shocked to see Barty Crouch here.

sempai

I have nothing against this vote. Plus (and forgive me if I'm wrong) isn't he cleared as double voter? (Although that doesn't necessarily make him town, but I've never seen a mafia double-voter on this site).

Then we get this vote from strike:

I am not overly keen on either choice. I will vote Pershy to get my vote out there as I believe is more likely scum if only slightly but if tthere was more time Id have looked into Mudpuppy. The last page or so from him on Dega has come off kind of like a scum defending someone he knows to be town but even that is gut feeling.

I have nothing against it, sometimes gut feeling is all you can go on.

BUT THEN:

unvote, vote Pershy

This day is fucking madness.

No reasoning at all? Just hopping on the bandwagon? Scummy AF.

Then MudPuppy unvotes without reason... I don't understand this...
@MudPuppy care to explain

Degaston votes pershy (to save himself... understandable)

lol... well this is going to give us some serious info to ponder.

Okay... Still no reasoning behind the unvote... I don't understand this at all.
@MudPuppy you have some explaining to do

I would have preferred everyone switching to storr.... but since the choice is now between pershy and deg, deg's claim is fuller and more believeable, plus he has been more active and will probably be more help to town in the future, so I will unvote, vote pershy

Well... looks like I was FP and he has enough votes on him already, so I will unvote vote storr as the person who should have been lynched amongst the claimed people

Then we have this post from HotShot... Pretty useless, looks like he is trying to play both sides. Scummy.

IN CONCLUSION:
MudPuppy, Endgame, Aage, and Hotshot are pretty scummy and mtam just frustrates me.

[Endgame422]

I was voting dd until he showed up and made a legit post.
I jumped on the wagon thinking my vote would be wasted on him.
Also the early snape claim just seemed strange to me. No way he could have guessed that many votes would swing in the last few hours so why claim and make himself a target for N1?
Thanks for the spoiler to check if i was skimming though dd.

[Metsfanmax]

Thanks for the spoiler to check if i was skimming though dd.

Still don't get why people think that skimming is a scum tell.

[Streaker]

Explain to me the benefit to town if I can or cannot be targeted , vs the benefit to mafia knowing if I can or cannot be targeted.

This question would be a fair one to ask if all of us actually believed you and you didn't have a history of making shit up and being intentionally confusing.

Have people played other games with Pixar? Is this playstyle abnormal for him?

Why was BG replaced?

Thanks for the spoiler to check if i was skimming though dd.

Still don't get why people think that skimming is a scum tell.

All your posts of D2 so far.

-Nothing about the incredible end of D1. This should probably be more talked about but I have yet to do so as well.
-No reads or contribution to any of the ongoing cases.

There is a huge amount to go through (The case on Pixar, the wagon end of D1, Storr, and a few others), yet you choose to post these things instead.

Who'd you like to lynch today/put pressure on today?
Thoughts on Pixar?

[dd515087]

I added #s before each new line so that my responses would be followed more easily.

1. I was voting dd until he showed up and made a legit post.
2. I jumped on the wagon thinking my vote would be wasted on him.
3. Also the early snape claim just seemed strange to me. No way he could have guessed that many votes would swing in the last few hours so why claim and make himself a target for N1?
4. Thanks for the spoiler to check if i was skimming though dd.

1. Fine, I understand, I wasn't around. Reasonable.
2. No vote is ever wasted. That's just ridiculous. Scummy to think your vote means nothing (normally... not in a game of 24, I will conceed that. Still the reasoning is off...)
3. I don't even understand what he's getting at here.
4. Trying to make yourself seem active (IMO). It wasn't bc I was checking to see if you were skimming (bc even when ppl skim they click spoilers... know from doing it myself) I put spoiler there because it interrupted my read on MudPuppy.

@Endgame if you want to convince me that you are not scum then you need to make reads on people. It's as simple as listing people in 5 categories:
hard town
slight town
neutral
slight scum
hard scum

(and giving at least a sentence... preferably more... reasoning behind the category choice)

[Metsfanmax]

-Nothing about the incredible end of D1. This should probably be more talked about but I have yet to do so as well.

I find that it speaks for itself (i.e. that everyone who participated in it is an idiot and/or scum).

-No reads or contribution to any of the ongoing cases.

All of the ongoing cases are shit.

There is a huge amount to go through (The case on Pixar, the wagon end of D1, Storr, and a few others), yet you choose to post these things instead.

You seem to be mistaking quantity for quality. There's really very little to go through.

Who'd you like to lynch today/put pressure on today?

As of this post: you.

Thoughts on Pixar?

None.