mtamburini wrote:degaston wrote:mtamburini wrote:*Pixar* wrote:actually what do you guys think of mtam claiming Hairy Potter but the scum not targetting him? kind of fishy...
I think we found our lynch for today.
Pixar's on the top of my scum list right now, but I'd still appreciate an explanation for whether you could, or could not be killed in the night.
Regardless if I can or cannot be targeted, this is not a pro town question to be asking.
Yep. And don't answer it - it is useless info to town and I don't wanna know.
sempaispellcheck wrote:I don't think refusing to provide answers to questions that are asked of you is a pro-town thing to do - it makes you look suspicious, which leads to more questions, which can lead to a lynch, which would then be a wasted day (at best) if you're town.
So, why do you keep doing it?
sempai
You're asking role specific questions about mechanisms you don't have anything to do with. You're a double voter - what do you care if Mtam is bulletproof? Answer me that first.
mtamburini wrote:Good luck with that Pixar you shall be the lynch for today
VotePixar
Bad, bad,
bad response. I expected much better from you Mtam, do you think Pix's vote makes her scum or stupid*? I favour the latter. Push Pixar all you want, I doubt it's gonna help.
*: refer to earlier post on the definition of "stupid".
madmitch wrote:Well there you go you knuckleheads we just lost two townies. Pixar and I were right, mtam should have been hung even with the so called HP claim, VOTE MTAM
Are you angry that we lost two townies? There are 24 players, there was always a chance that Pershy was town. This response sounds like a typical pointless witch-hunt for the mislyncher though. Pershy wasn't hanged by Mtam alone, and Pixar and you aren't absolved because you didn't support the lynch.
BGtheBrain wrote:[Storr], you are an annoyance. You make the entire game about you and/or Mtam. You dont care about the town, you care about self-preservation. You havent fully claimed. You posted so much bullshit it makes it harder for the other 20 people to follow the game.
Also, you know damn well how I feel about the phrase "scum hunting" Its a stupid concept that you use to try to get your way. We're all here trying to lynch scum. Well, except you, who is looking to survive, right? I think you've played awful. I thin,k youre hurting town chances. So, what is a typical town win condition? You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. That includes you....
So, waste your vote, bc you know what? Most people think youre full of shit and shouldve been lynched. However, they dont grasp the full concept of the threat that a rogue 3rd party player is. Especially one like you. So, they get hung up on "We gotta find scum" IN a game this size, hell, Id argue any size, any player not looking out 100% for town, is harmful to town. So, when the chips are down and its the end of the game, and we need 1 vote to lynch scum and win the game, I dont want that 1 vote to be in your hands. Because you will do whatever it takes for YOU to win the game and not what is in the bestinterest of town....
I know BG was replaced but just to point out. I trust Storr (for now) because I prefer having an honest unflinching non-town to having a lying scumbag, and I'd rather he is honest than pretending to be something he is not - i.e. town. A few of us are lying scumbags, and those are a far greater threat. To focus on the "devil" you know is to preach ignorance. Storr's purely objective side view can and probably will come in very useful in this game. People keep saying he does nothing because he's afraid to get lynched... I do believe he has the most posts in this thread, discounting the D1 Flame Wars of Legend around Mtam, has the most outspoken opinion and the freshest view on the game that I have seen so far. Yes, he cares about self-preservation; you can't fault him for that if it's his role. As I view it, the best way to survive the game for Storr is to make the game as short as possible by helping the town lynch the mafia as quickly as possible - this is the fastest way to end any game. You all do seem to believe him to be third party, yet want to lynch him for drilling the D1 lynch right through Pershy...
after you followed him on the wagon. Not only is this pure hypocrisy; the very act of lynching third party would be completely hypocritical, since it does not help us at all to find the mafia, which is what we are here to do.
I hope Strike has better thoughts as the replacement.
degaston wrote:got tonkaed wrote:I'm ok with unvote Pixar as well. Last post from Pixar is enough for me to steer clear for the time being.
Tonka, I'm wondering why you were so quick to accept pixar's soft-claim.
I am wondering this too. Pixar's soft claim is meh. Plenty of things could have prevented a night kill if there was one - on a 24 people game, protectives and blockers aren't rare.
charm wrote:Who hit me with the curse last night?
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I am purposely being vague and not stating what the curse is - but I am in no way happy about it!
If you've been cursed, it might be best to say how or what.
degaston wrote:WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Deg's investigation last night shows there to at least be players without wands, or without active abilities if I have interpreted it correctly.
Storr claims to have no active abilities:
StorrZerg wrote:I claimed everything about my role. No wand, no night action, day action etc.
It is possible that he's lying, but I don't think so at this point. But even if a player does not have a wand, that may not mean that they have no abilities. There could be potions, charmed/enchanted (is there a difference?) objects, etc. and from the HP Wiki: "Goblins have their own type of magic and can do magic without a wand." Maybe there's a mountain troll or basilisk serial killer? We haven't seen any of these yet, but with a game this big, I would think that anything is possible.
Yes, all of these are possible. Polyjuice potion can throw off cop results. Maybe someone lives under the Whomping Willow like a PGO. Maybe there are monsters and dementors and all kinds of stuff. There might be mechanisms that imply wand ownership like in the Harry Potter story.
But playing the setup so far is pointless. This is what we know.
- the dead players had a spell ("Sectumsempra" and "Lumos");
- this spell seems to be tied to their ability;
- people are categorized between wand-carriers and non-wand-carriers.
This is all we know. For now I think we should stop playing the metagame and approach this from a logical perspective rather than a magical one: nothing is here unless it is proven to be here. We have seen two dead roles, both wizards and both capable of casting a specific spell. This is flavour for their roles - Strike and Pershy were a town vig and town watcher, that is all.
The more interesting question that I have not seen asked at this point is this: Sempai, is there a spell tied to your double vote?
degaston wrote:WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Is the person Deg investigated last night confirmed non-mafia? If so, is it beneficial to Town for Deg to say who that was?
I have no indication of this person's alignment. I assume that if we get close to lynching them, then I should reveal what I know?
Yes, that would be useful. Currently I have a dilemma where I still don't trust you, especially since you appear to have gotten no result from your 'following' (never heard of the role, but the ability fits the spell so I'll humour it), so I would prefer that you share everything you claim to know. On the other hand, if we assume that you are Mad-Eye, on a purely theoretical basis it doesn't matter if your target didn't use a spell. Mafia are more likely to be magically active, and I assume (or rather hope for the sake of Epi's sanity) that this is not a non-VT game. Strike basically voiced my thoughts in the post he made after my previous one.
What I want from you is a result that is verifiable. Having no result is not verifiable. I know I pushed you hard yesterday and I still believe it was with good reason. Your claim slightly changes things though, and I'm willing to put that case to rest for a bit. The activity at the end of day 1 and the current responses to it are far more interesting anyway.
The problems with this theme is, firstly, that people appear to be making this exceedingly more complicated than they have to be. Play it like a regular game, and only bother with flavour when it comes up. Wand holding isn't relevant to alignment. I'm pretty confident that You Know Who has a wand, and his lackeys too. Secondly, the story has a clear distinction between the good guys and the bad guys - there is no real grey area in the Harry Potter saga. If we assume the mafia were given fake claims, and I do assume this, they are going to be very 'good' fake claims - the theme doesn't allow for anything else. Hence I must force myself to mistrust a name claim - even if it is an obvious good guy. I'm quite sure there are at least 24 obvious good guys in Harry Potter, or 23 if we discount Filch.
An exception is to be made for Harry Potter, but I trust Mtam more because I do see his game as fitting to his role. He claimed he could kill Storr if Storr was lying. He claimed that the mafia would become weaker if he were killed. These aspects of his role allow for a very aggressive play - and the fact that Mtam has chosen to play very aggressively corresponds with how his roleclaim works.
WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:I find it amusing how reliant Town are at the moment on the claimed third party. We need Aage back asap, even if we dont know his alignment.
My role is not Town Babysitter, build your own cases.
