[Official] HP Mafia - MVP: Aage - Archive

[StorrZerg]

Sempai stop ignoring the request, please make a regular vote

[StorrZerg]

you can't be mod killed for proving your vote has been stolen... This sounds like stalling...

[StorrZerg]

Oh ftr I think senpai is scum double voter, i dont see it as a town role this game.

If I'm scum, why would scum try to steal my vote(s)?
Put the s there because they may have thought they could get both.

sempai

This is a pretty easy thing for mafia to figure out. They know your power comes from your wand. And its not a passive power. hence if their ability is to steal a vote. Its the regular town vote, and not a double vote since your extra vote is a spell.

Honestly its pretty poor thinking for mafia to even attempt on this day. Its something they would need to do if smart at the end of the day, to ensure a lynch, set up a lynch etc. If it has to be cast the night before, i'd almost consider using it on team mates instead of town because it just gives away what the power is early.

[StorrZerg]

Well mod was on, sup sempai?

[madmitch]

I am lost on a couple of things (a) WHAT IS BUSDRIVING ? and (b) can you send a message through the PM to someone else? then everyone would know what roles everyone was playing.so if you can,t send a msg tthen storr is lying, i want to hear more about this before I vote

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

A) Bus Driver is a power role which can be of either town or mafia alignment. See here for more details http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bus_Driver

B) You CANNOT send a message via PM to someone else unless your role explicitly states that you can do so. The message to Storr is possibly part of someones role which enables them to said a message via the mod (Epitaph) I believe.

[Ragian]

So in short, you are calling degaston a liar?

I'm not calling deg anything. I'm simply saying that I have never cast a crucio spell. Last night I cast a lumos spell (for the second time in a row).

What is the name of your killing spell Rag?

I will note that Lumos was used as the watch spell but I suppose there is no guarantes that spells are specific for use.

I've asked epi about this, but he's being vague ultimately refusing to indicate if it indeed has a name or not. I would've thought it did, but as mentioned a million times D1, I'm out of my element here.

Complete BS.... why use lumos (town vs anti-town) on Storr; a claimed non-town role?

You're entitled to your opinion. I thought I would get a different result. I wasn't informed in my role pm what kind of result I would get back. I thought it would be "town" or "scum" or "3rd party". I never asked epi before using it on stor.

Rage, was my result non town?

I don't understand the question... Well, I do understand the question, but it doesn't make any sense to me...

And deg is right in one thing, I used a spell last night on mets.

I never said that you used it on mets. I don't get information about who it is used on.

I never said that you said that I used it on mets. Why is that important? I'm just laying out all the information. I'm quite sure someone else targeted mets. My spell would never kill him. I still agree with those out there saying that mets was hit with crucio given the fact that the scene indicates torture (as you guys pointed out that crucio inflicts - well... someone called it poison).

Actually, because investigations are applied before kills, the read I got was about the spell you cast on night 1. Mets was apparently aware that he had been cursed (according to strike), but it apparently acts like poisoning, so it did not kill him until night 2. I don't know what spell you cast on night 2.

If you got the read from my N1, you would see me cast a spell on stor, not mets.

I am Albus Dumbledore. And deg is right in one thing, I used a spell last night on mets. But I used a spell called Lumos on mets in order to see his alignment.

Strike wolf - Minerva McGonagall - Lumos - Town watcher has been killed.

So Lumos is the watcher spell for strike 1.0, but for you it tells a person's alignment?

Can't and won't dispute you on that. It's up to the mod, I guess.

Yep.... I mean he also said he cop checked the self claimed 3rd party knowing he would get not town results. Lol

I never said that. Nice twist, though. I cast it on you to see if I would get a scum-result back (see above if you're reading at all). When I got the result and it said "non-town", I PMed epi to clarify my results and then learned that I would only get those two.

FP'ed by a dead guy

[aage]

I still think we should lynch Ragian by the end of the day. His claim is rickety on all aspects; dead man's spell, JOAT that uses the same ability twice, having a kill power as Dumbledore.

I used the same spell on stor N1. I get "town" - "non-town" answers.

Storr is asking what your result on night 1 was.


I'm not sure if Rage as mafia received Dumbledore as a fake claim, or whether he's claiming it to try and out a big role as a last-ditch effort to help his team. I suggest that if there is a different Dumbledore, he does not counterclaim. There is enough evidence to lynch Ragian as is.

[aage]

Someone wanted Storr to receive the message, and since he's expressed a pro-town stance

He did. I don't find this amusing. I really don't understand why you don't believe him for the sake of not believing him. I already summed up the only evidence against him in my last post before the deadline - the entire case on him rests on his being our scapegoat non-town in case things go south. This is naive and stupid and I do not condone it.

Regardless of Streaker being legitimate, and regardless of whether the message was sent to either Storr or DD... The message is either a frame by an anti-town party that implicates Streaker, or it is a message that unnecessarily mentions Streaker's name, and accidentally ended up in Storr's inbox.

...or it is something that Storr made up himself.

Possible, but highly unlikely. Someone else already elaborated to some length on why Storr probably didn't fabricate the message.

The fact that the mentioning of Streaker's name is unnecessary is reason enough for me to assume that the message did not end up in Storr's inbox by accident. Someone wanted Storr to receive the message, and since he's expressed a pro-town stance I think that this person wanted Storr to reveal the message, lead a lynch on Streaker and then be lynched himself on day 4 for misinforming the town. Whoever sent the message wanted us to suspect or even lynch Streaker based on this message - if they were on the same team, (A) why send the message; and (B) why mention the name of your partner in crime in it?

Yes - it's all so mysterious. None of it makes much sense... unless Storr made it up himself.

See above

Doesn't mean we should go right into night though, although I can see why you'd want to.

Blegh. You're really looking way too much into these statements. I already said that I believe your lead - I'm not saying you're scum here. I'm referring to you being able to use that action again, since you've gotten a good result last night, and following that up by saying (possibly in slightly less clear terms) that I'm not ready to play follow-the-cop just yet. You're the one misconstruing my words here.

Oh, I get it, you were being totally sincere with that comment. How could I not have realized that. Yes - it certainly would be best for town if we shut down the discussion as soon as possible so that I can use my power again right away. <-(sarcasm)

I was being sincere, actually. I know, it sounds strange.

This game is all about careful reading and interpreting, but somehow, Storr managed to completely botch his reading of a message that was "sent" directly to him. I asked several questions about how he could justify the statements he made before he revealed the message, and you jump right in to defend his answer and say that it hurts to read my questions?

Okay then, I have a question for you: Of all the claims that people have made so far, why is it Storr, who offers not a shred of proof to his claim, and would be no loss to the town if he is lynched, that you believe without question?

Because Filch is a very believable 3rd party character; because he has done everything in his power to hunt scum during the day; because he will be Undesirable #1 once we get a whiff of recruiting or such, so his early claim wouldn't help him at all; because he is way more useful to me alive than dead. Also, pretty sure I believed Mtam without question too.
Lastly, I trust him because it's very useful to see who Storr would push, either in the light of pro-town or in the light of pro-scum. I haven't seen him help the mafia yet, either actively or passively. You can point at the D1 and D2 lynches all you want, but I see nothing new there for such a large game. If you weren't near-100% confirmed Madeye I would've started a case on you ages ago, since you seem to blame Storr (and me, apparently)for all the bad things that happen around here, and also because you really are dying to establish an undeniable scum connection between me and Storr.

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

dd - Streaker
Streaker - Pixar
Ragian - tonka, Daz, dega, sempai, Storr, mtam (L-4)
Endgame - dd

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

*Didn't count Streaker's vote on Rag b/c he didn't unvote.

This is just a VC--I'm several pages behind (in case there have been any questions for me in the thread)

[Streaker]

UNVOTE...


Vote Ragian

[sempaispellcheck]

I have finally been assured that I won't be modkilled for this, so here goes nothing.

Vote Ragian

sempai

[degaston]

Unvote
Ragian has claimed, and I don't want the day to end early.

[aage]

Unvote
Ragian has claimed, and I don't want the day to end early.

Thank you, I was about to ask for this.

[dd515087]

My logic in bandwagonning is as simple now as it was then.
I tried to push a case(D1 was dd and D2 was MP) which noone was behind so i jumped on one of the 2 possible lynches. In both cases i voted for who of the 2 seemed like scum to me.
You didn't push a case at all. You gave one reason behind your vote on me and one reason behind your vote on MudPuppy. On D1 you voted 6 times (twice for me) on 4 different bandwagons.
Not sure what else you expect from me.
And as to rolefishing i specifically asked the 2 OPENLY CLAIMED ROLES(pix,deg) to tell us thier NAs.
What am i fishing for? Information we all have anyways?
That was not the rolefishing you did. That was your only post D33 and you didn't comment at all on any of the current cases.
And honestly im guessing the people who were not on either wagon are much more likely scum then those who were on both.
Why would scum push the pershy lynch when they knew a town/3rd party player was on the block D1(deg had claimed an investigative role)?
Today ill likely be voting for ragian but serious suspicion on dd for pushing a lynch on me(including his vote) when we basically have a confirmed scum here.
I'm pushing you for information. Ragian is clearly getting lynched today, but we decided that we don't want to go into night phase so early. I decided I'd make a case on you in the mean time.
Also talapus suggesting the vig hit me is very strange.
What vig? Pretty sure we lost our vig(snape) and scum has one murder and one poisoner. Hence 1 death N1 and 2 deaths last night.
Not thinking this is scummy but just wondering why he thinks there is a vig.

You may be right about vote jumping but town has to vote in force. Fucking 12 to lynch?
More then half each wagon has certainly been town so lynching me or anyone for bandwagoning seems like some weak sauce to me.

It's that you bandwagon so frequently and without good reason.

[StorrZerg]

Rage pleasje confirm the check result on me

[strike wolf]

I call bull on not knowing the name of the killing spell. Epi has been pretty straight forward when asked to clarify for me and I dont see why he would get closed mouth on the spell name.

We still need to establish who was poisoned.

[degaston]

I call bull on not knowing the name of the killing spell. Epi has been pretty straight forward when asked to clarify for me and I dont see why he would get closed mouth on the spell name.

We still need to establish who was poisoned.

I don't know for sure that Ragian used the spell again on night 2. If a person uses a killing spell, then I wouldn't be able to detect that until the night after they use it.

[degaston]

...or maybe he had a 1-shot poisoning ability?

[StorrZerg]

Could be saved on target. Could be jail, block, etc many other reasons why.

[StorrZerg]

Btw is anyone bothered by about Tambo taking care of me n1.

And rage ignored that, and investigated me anyways? Additionally I didn't get my present. ..

[got tonkaed]

yes to me it seemed like a waste of an action if that is how it went down.

[aage]

Btw is anyone bothered by about Tambo taking care of me n1.

And rage ignored that, and investigated me anyways? Additionally I didn't get my present. ..

If they'd use that argument, they'd have to acknowledge that you're probably what you say you are. That's a problem for certain people.

But yeah, it was probably a wasted action, I'm not familiar with Ragian's mafia experience but both investigating you and Mets are pretty horrible targets for a cop check.

[StorrZerg]

As far as I'm aware, Mtam suggested that Storr and raigon are connected (unclear why) and Storr consequently called him a death eater. Not much of a case.

Seriously, if Ragian is too hard, just type Rage or Rag.

Oh and most importantly VOTE STORR

UNVOTE VOTE RAIGAN or whatever the f*ck his name is, Ill just use my ability on storr tonight since I wont be able to get him lynched anyways

Knows about it ...

[Endgame422]

Not going to defend myself anymore from dd as his case=weak sauce.
Bandwagoning is necessary in a game this size and i will continue to do so.
Or will i be lynched tomorrow for jumping on the rage wagon?
I have some thoughts but i would like rage to tell us what mets showed as when investigated.
Was he town or non-town?