[Official] HP Mafia - MVP: Aage - Archive

[StorrZerg]

meh complaining wont do anything, and no point lynching him today. care to comment on some other things talapus?

[Talapus]

certain players seeing things how they want to. this must be mafia lol???

Fair point, I just shouldn't have to reanswer the same damn thing over and over. The answer is still the same...lol

[strike wolf]

Blargh. That's what I get for rushing that post. I got my posts mixed up on the double check and attributed something to Talapus that I shouldn't have.

[charm]

Hi guys!
Sorry, I got slammed at work the last 2 days.
Skimmed through the last couple pages. I think EndGame needs to go next. However, I'm also cool to push on MTam - I'm not convinced he is HP.

For now...
VOTE EndGAME

[Streaker]

Hi guys!
Sorry, I got slammed at work the last 2 days.
Skimmed through the last couple pages. I think EndGame needs to go next. However, I'm also cool to push on MTam - I'm not convinced he is HP.

For now...
VOTE EndGAME

And if we don't agree on a push today, we can just lynch you, Charm. Thanks for making it easy.

Seeing as how the one-liner approach is backfiring in the other game, I'll try to elaborate.

-Why does Endgame need to go? Again blatant wagoning. I don't think you have made a single case, not even a single point on someone. Pushing Mtam? The claimed HP? We really gonna go here again? This means you think all the big names are fake, why specifically HP then?
Also great that you decide to vote after skimming.


Good to see that wolf finally has something to post, but still missing that big case he promised 3 days ago. Gonna be interesting to see his case on Tonka (who's been laying very low today).
Also really really dislike virus post. Storr said it all.

Talapus no need to get personal. If you can't take being lied to, having people twist your words or having to defend yourself over and over, don't bother playing mafia lol.
Is my case on Talapus that uninteresting to you guys?

[dd515087]

@streaker I agree with your thoughts on Talapus, I just find Endgame scummier

Also, I will be gone from now until Friday, maybe thursday night (about two days basically) and will not be posting during this time.

[Endgame422]

I would rather lynch tal over virus.
Virus typically posts rarely and has not jumped out as scummy to me really.
Tal was acting very strange softdefending rage and fishing for a counterclaim.
Ill claim around L-3 if thats what everyone is wanting.

[Streaker]

UNOFFICIAL vote count (and went over it quick, so don't hold me to this)

Endgame (5)- sempai, dd, dazza, talapus, charm
Talapus (1)- Streaker
virus (4) - Storr, tonka, mitch, hotshot

NOT VOTING:

1. Strike wolf v2.0
3. *Pixar*
6. mtamburini
9. Endgame422
11. aage
14. virus90
17. MudPuppy

So 7 players not voting and 9 to lynch.

[Streaker]

I would rather lynch tal over virus.
Virus typically posts rarely and has not jumped out as scummy to me really.
Tal was acting very strange softdefending rage and fishing for a counterclaim.
Ill claim around L-3 if thats what everyone is wanting.

Why aren't you voting?
What are you not helping me push Tal if you think he should be lynched today?
Are you waiting for someone to support you on your hunt against Pix?
I don't like you want to lynch Pixar, but it is even more disturbing you lack the guts to vote him first. Afraid to lead your lynch?
As much as I appreciate your quoting of the Rage list, what did you derive from it? I mean, there's information there for sure, but it is a scum list. I'd rather see you push a case yourself (you are trying to get someone to start the wagon on Pix, not doing the heavy lifting yourself).

Dazza was fairly quiet yesterday and id like to see who he is interested in lynching.
Like i said i expect hell push me because i think his protection of pix is suspect(and called it out) and i already have a small wagon.
His reads and push on someone may be illuminating.

You are also going after someone who is defending the only claimed town doc. Dazza might be going a bit hard on the defense there, but that doesn't exactly make him scum. Got anything else on him?

In short, I mostly dislike how you are trying to bring a case to one of the big three, but are unwilling to step up and bring the case (and most importantly your vote) on him.

My vote on Tal is currently being wasted, I'll just put that in the freezer until the mob is ready for my case on him.

Unvote, vote end

[StorrZerg]

this is awkward... strike your near confirmed town is pushing virus. (hasn't voted yet probably should)

talapus basically did a flip a coin vote and went end over virus
@end the only way a push is going to change at this point is after your claim. or virus or both. So waiting for that to happen doesn't help. unless you of course convince me to switch the momentum.

with streakers vote that puts end to L-3 i believe. (9 to lynch, 6 votes on him)

@streaker, why not virus? DO you not like why end is pushing talapus? Do you not like his logic though regarding pushing dazza for defending pixar like rage did? I mean, after pixar claimed to be psn'ed, has end really been pushing pixar? His case is futile to push on pixar because of his death soon (well we assume), so why should he?

[MudPuppy]

Gonna sheep my good friend and buddy ol' town-pal; Strike's pending case on tonka. Us townies need to stick together.
'Cause if strike is town, then I'm certainly town too... since I'm his pal and all.

Anyway, hitting the road in a few... should be able to check back tonight. 'Til then, Vote got tonkaed.

[StorrZerg]

@mudpuppy why not virus

[Streaker]

this is awkward... strike your near confirmed town is pushing virus. (hasn't voted yet probably should)

talapus basically did a flip a coin vote and went end over virus
@end the only way a push is going to change at this point is after your claim. or virus or both. So waiting for that to happen doesn't help. unless you of course convince me to switch the momentum.

with streakers vote that puts end to L-3 i believe. (9 to lynch, 6 votes on him)

@streaker, why not virus? DO you not like why end is pushing talapus? Do you not like his logic though regarding pushing dazza for defending pixar like rage did? I mean, after pixar claimed to be psn'ed, has end really been pushing pixar? His case is futile to push on pixar because of his death soon (well we assume), so why should he?

Ofcourse I like him pushing Tal, but I'd rather see End lynched over virus between the two. The fact that his case is futile has nothing to do with his reasoning for his push. And it's his reasoning I don't like. I believe I have explained my vote on End thorougly enough though.

All I see on virus is that he's not playing.

[Streaker]

Oh missed something there... Storr do you believe wolf is pushing virus? I made from his posts that he wants to push Tonka.

[StorrZerg]

Oh missed something there... Storr do you believe wolf is pushing virus? I made from his posts that he wants to push Tonka.

Of the 2, he pushes on virus over endgame no question. Read his pist on previous page.

[Streaker]

Virus over endgame yes, but Tonka over either of those. I see more in endgame case. Disagree?

[StorrZerg]

Virus over endgame yes, but Tonka over either of those. I see more in endgame case. Disagree?

He can't get enough town into Tonka till other claims.

I really don't see much on endgame. He's been pretty blunt about his motives. Add that to why he picks up more steam over virus I find strange.

Pixar has been playing bad. End pushes pixar. You wouldn't call him out on that if it was for pixar claim. He could be a protective role hence his distasteful attitude towards pixar.

Like its easy to go "lynch the guy pushing the doc" likewise it's very easy for magia to criticize people pushing pixar / defend him.

Additionally there is lack of discussion about him, regarding other cases. Dd5 ranted about him for 15 posts. Yet where is the discussion, why didn't people talk yesterday about it. Etc.

Then we have virus, soft claims. Mentioned in a note, wagoning, adding nothing value to town other than complaints about time. Please explain how you can possibly be getting a town vibe. Quote something that sounded good. Cause if virus is the wrong tree, I'd like to see your view on why. Cause the arguments against him seem very feeble

[Streaker]

Why are you arguing with me over my reasons for voting End? Though probably because i'm one of the few who is actually bothering with stating opinions.

I'm not defending virus, but I like end case over virus. Virus has nowhere near enough to get a good read on him.
How is end helping town pushing the claimed doc? And keeping pushing the claimed doc. All the way until he realized doc will likely die anyway.

Pixar has been playing terrible yes, and should have probably been replaced a few days ago.
I'd still have my vote on Tal, but that is going nowhere and I'm not helping with my vote there.

Storr, you seem really really keen on protecting end here...

Can you please reread the post where I switched votes to end, and see that my main reason is not him pushing doc, but him pushing doc without wanting to fully commit to his push? Imo the most scummy part about end.

[got tonkaed]

Happy to respond to whatever strike puts out there when he does.

Going back to virus's initial post where he says he cryptically hints at who he is, I don't really see a character that would make sense as it seems unlikely at this point Fleur is in the game.

As far as myself, I'd point to my voting record more than anything. I have been pretty consistent as far as not voting players I thought were town and that has been borne out on the flips.

I was on the Ragian wagon early and got off to allow more talk. Then I hammered when I said I would.

On top of that our confirmed double voter who is likely town would have been dead d1 if not for me.

For the record, I'd be ok flipping from virus to Endgame as fast posted by streaker. I do think Virus is in a lot of ways presumed guilty by little posting. Unless there was some other reason at play for pushing PIx a lot of Endgames stuff was just weird.

[sempaispellcheck]

The case against virus is good (low activity, unhelpful posting, etc., etc.) but I think the case on Endgame for bandwagoning and essentially trying to get others to make his Pixar case for him is better - hence my vote.

As for Talapus, I see the case (defending Rage, fishing for Albus counterclaim, etc.) but I'm not 100% convinced. Streaker and aage going at him about the whole cult/mason thing seemed like making a mountain out of a molehill.

MudPuppy - Don't get me wrong, I'm curious to see strike's case against tonka, too, but...

Gonna sheep my good friend and buddy ol' town-pal; Strike's pending case on tonka. Us townies need to stick together.
'Cause if strike is town, then I'm certainly town too... since I'm his pal and all.

Why would you post this? It just makes you look incredibly scummy. And you've actually made a few posts like this, IIRC.
I think it might be good to put some pressure on MP next game day - or even later this day, if we feel there's time.

sempai

[got tonkaed]

I wouldn't be shocked if part of Mudpuppy's motivation was that I have mentioned him a few times as a player who I thought was acting somewhat scummy. Posts like the last one are essentially why.

[charm]

Hi guys!
Sorry, I got slammed at work the last 2 days.
Skimmed through the last couple pages. I think EndGame needs to go next. However, I'm also cool to push on MTam - I'm not convinced he is HP.

For now...
VOTE EndGAME

And if we don't agree on a push today, we can just lynch you, Charm. Thanks for making it easy.

Seeing as how the one-liner approach is backfiring in the other game, I'll try to elaborate.

-Why does Endgame need to go? Again blatant wagoning. I don't think you have made a single case, not even a single point on someone. Pushing Mtam? The claimed HP? We really gonna go here again? This means you think all the big names are fake, why specifically HP then?
Also great that you decide to vote after skimming.

Streaker - nice try?!! You want to come after me then bring it! That would be a mighty fine way for town to waste a vote when mafia or some other group has been picking on me all game.

One-liners? I have not been throwing out one-liners. Just because I can say more with few words and do not repeat everything someone else has said, does not mean I'm bandwaggoning.

I was the first to call out EndGame - I did not like him from the start, especially because he picked a Voltemort for his picture - that is a huge sign and I can't believe we haven't gone after him.

As for, HP, I do not think all big names are fake. I'm only suggesting that we re-look at MTam because of the messages and MTam should be way more active with that role. Yes, I know he was on leave for a few days, but if he doesn't engage this week, then we should be suspicious.

So, Streaker - Go suck a Lollipop!

[got tonkaed]

Mtam is literally out of the country on vacation, so I think it is a bit much to expect him to be like oh yeah, HP mafia, better post a ton in that thread.

[StorrZerg]

Charm can you post the msg

[StorrZerg]

@Streaker you respond. What about ends other reads, what didn't you like. We know you liked one at least. Him not committing is meh. You shouldn't judge a vote or lack of vote, rather than the attitude the player has. I don't see him as nit committed to his push. What did you like about dd5's case? I want to see interactions between those pushing end to get a better understanding on this push.

Stating virus lacks content for you to judge is poor. He made several votes, his content today lacking, yesterday sure. But this just seems like an excuse to ignore him. People are analyzing his votes, commenting on his reads. What do you need virus to do to read him? How can you make that happen?