[Official] HP Mafia - MVP: Aage - Archive

[mtamburini]

- Couldn't believe charm made up her own fakeclaim. Very funny to see people react to that. I gave the mafia 2 strong fakeclaims (Ron, Dumbledore), 2 medium (Flitwick, Slughorn) and 2 crap fakeclaims (Dursley, Ollivander). Seriously, who believed that Dudley would be at Hogwarts?! They pretty much ignored the spell fakeclaims too. And the two best fakeclaims weren't as big of a factor as I thought they would be.

I know that balancing a game this complex is hard, so I can't criticize any of this. However, I wouldn't have given Ron and Dumbledore both to the mafia in this setup. Maybe one, at most.

And this is why you dont look at flavor text when scumhunting in themed games.

[strike wolf]

I was actually going to let the streaker lynch go through for most of the day. Unfortunately Mud who was confirmed town echoing my doubts almozt verbatim changed my mind.

[StorrZerg]

Having mafia swap powers is also really dumb.

[aage]

Having mafia swap powers is also really dumb.

I agree that Imperio and Crucio could've been specific for certain roles - I would've matched Crucio with Bellatrix and Imperio with Lucius. However, that would put enormous focus on those two members since the town is decked out with a lot of powers as well. If either of them would be disarmed, rolecop'd by Moody, vigged or simply lynched, the mafia would've lost a huge amount of power. Therefore I don't think the powerswap is bad. The setup might benefit from a rule that prevents one death eater from casting multiple spells during one night, although that wouldn't have affected this game's outcome.

[Epitaph1]

Having mafia swap powers is also really dumb.

I agree that Imperio and Crucio could've been specific for certain roles - I would've matched Crucio with Bellatrix and Imperio with Lucius. However, that would put enormous focus on those two members since the town is decked out with a lot of powers as well. If either of them would be disarmed, rolecop'd by Moody, vigged or simply lynched, the mafia would've lost a huge amount of power. Therefore I don't think the powerswap is bad. The setup might benefit from a rule that prevents one death eater from casting multiple spells during one night, although that wouldn't have affected this game's outcome.

This was my thought process. I was concerned that if one of the mafia's powers was taken out of the game, they would have been at a severe disadvantage. I probably would have needed to take out a couple town PRs if I did this.

[dazza2008]

Shite game. Epi sucks.

[Epitaph1]

Shite game. Epi sucks.

[Marashu]

Thanks for running, Epi! I know I kinda jumped in mid-way, to a role that was poisoned and roleblocked, but it was still fun. The stolen vote on mitch is the only thing that kept me from pushing him harder - the part in my role that said my classmates could only dream of casting protego was not in blue, so I couldn't mention it.

[charm]

Thanks Epi for a fantastic game.

Aagae you were a great leader! Did you ever claim Voldermort?

[Metsfanmax]

- Couldn't believe charm made up her own fakeclaim. Very funny to see people react to that. I gave the mafia 2 strong fakeclaims (Ron, Dumbledore), 2 medium (Flitwick, Slughorn) and 2 crap fakeclaims (Dursley, Ollivander). Seriously, who believed that Dudley would be at Hogwarts?! They pretty much ignored the spell fakeclaims too. And the two best fakeclaims weren't as big of a factor as I thought they would be.

I know that balancing a game this complex is hard, so I can't criticize any of this. However, I wouldn't have given Ron and Dumbledore both to the mafia in this setup. Maybe one, at most.

And this is why you dont look at flavor text when scumhunting in themed games.

Says the man whose entire defense starting D1 was "I am Harry Potter, therefore I cannot be lynched." I completely ignored the nameclaim and believed you might be scum anyway, and you told me to f*ck off. So, sir, pick a side.

[strike wolf]

Post-game scene.

The mafia celebrated drunkenly, having thought they had won. However in the hall remus Lupin let out a feral howl (vecause Cruciatus cant kill a werewolf.) He stalked the halls lookijg for vengeance. Outside the festivities was wormtail, he was easily disaptched but not by Remus. Instead a giant black dog tore out his throat before changing back into a human.

Filch came around the corner (having relieved himself of too much butterbeer) and was about to cry for help but a flash of green tore him into pieces. Remus and Sirius looked at theur former schoolhood rival before nodding, knowing that they had more pressing enemies.

They busted through the door quickly dispatching Lucius and Quirrel. They now outnumbered their enemy three to one but The Dark Lord was no easy prey. Even outnumbered, he pushed them back and seemed on the brink of winning when suddenly a golden boot came down and squashed Voldemort flat.

the old headmaster stepped forward. "I believe they forgot about me."

And thus was written the worst Harry Potter fan fiction that didnt turn into a porno by the end.

[Streaker]

A lot of town had a good number of mafia pinned, but there was never a single good case build around us.
We got caught a couple times, yes, but no actual case got a lynch on us. A few callouts but never saw anyone really pushing.

Does this prove it is effective for mafia to nk based on player skill, and activity level? We let a few power roles live longer then they might have expected, for the chance to kill the players capable of rallying town to victory.
Wolf comes to mind, we probably would have lynched storr earlier as well but we were quite sure he could be swayed to our cause.

[Ragian]

Wuhu!! We won?!? Or did aage win for us?

Good effort, scum.

[aage]

Thanks Epi for a fantastic game.

Aagae you were a great leader! Did you ever claim Voldermort?

Thanks
Do you mean reveal my role to the town? No. Why would I?

[Streaker]

Wuhu!! We won?!? Or did aage win for us?

Good effort, scum.

Aage did a great effort, but I think it's wrong to write off the scum win to Aage alone.
HotShot played great, I somehow managed to survive long enough, mitch was able to cause great confusion, Ragian and Charm did what they had to do in their case.

It was an overal good team effort.

The vote for MVP is difficult. Aage played the mislynches great, but could anyone but Storr have pulled that win out of the hat? I mean balls of steel for claiming what he did, when he did it and surviving. The balancing act of hunting scum but not posing a threat to them, seriously. He had a knife on each side of his throat the entire game, and then there was the possibility of cult...

I voted for Storr, but with the narrowest of marges. It would have been a bigger margin if he played ball faster at endgame.

[aage]

Aage did a great effort, but I think it's wrong to write off the scum win to Aage alone.

I wouldn't be so foolish to think I won the game for scum. Especially later in the game, my play got quite weak since my attention was divided and my mask slipped quite a bit. The lynch that won us the game, i.e. Endgame, wasn't affected by me at all; that was mostly you managing to deceive the town one last time.
Hotshot stayed under the radar longest, no thanks to his roleclaim, and his handling of the Imperio was excellent.
Ragian and Charm were okay, but I would only count them as mvp if they had swayed the lynch on them onto someone else, which they didn't. They were outed by power roles though, not by a town scumhunt effort.
Mitch I will not even consider, his stealing of a strong fake claim and Hotshot's perfectly timed secret vote let him live, I don't believe his "ignorant town" play had much to do with it.

[Streaker]

Mitch's play is a discussion in it's own. While it was terrible (fake claim was the worst in history, a record that won't be broken easily), somehow he managed to convince a few important characters of his innocence. Though now that I write it out, I have to agree with you Aage that it was mainly HotShot's usage of Imperio that bought enough credit for Mitch to survive that horrible claim.

I think my first few days were very good, but I only survived in the end because of that post from Wolf that you already quoted. I messed up my claim as well, should have sticked to regular busdriver. I also pushed against Wolf which I should not have done.

Remember someone (was it Endgame) calling out the grammatical error in my claim? And linking that to Charm. Heh.

Should also add that it was mainly HotShot coming through in our QT to NK mtam. If he didnt press his action there, it's a whole other game.
MVP in mafia team to Aage and HS.

So many lolz and wtf moments this game really

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Aage - Town leader ludicrously because town lacked a leader.
Streaker - The scummy speaker for mafia who somehow never got lynched despite pushing ridiculously dastardly logic all the time.
Hotshot - The hidden member of mafia.
Madmitch - I still want to know how confused about mafia he really is. This seemed too well thought out, especially the moment he claimed a "backup" role. Which is next level fake claiming.
Rag - Died too early to really have an impact, unfortunate to be investigated. (Deg was using vote patterns to target which was quite clever)
Charm - Sooooooo ridiculous a play that it almost worked. How you came up with that I'll never know.

All very important contributions to mafia. I'd be surprised if someone had got a full list of who mafia was. Even if the game hadnt ended, Streaker and Mitch would have been lynched, and maybe Aage. But after that I doubt Hotshot would have been caught.

[Epitaph1]

There were a couple of people onto Aage, but could never put together a case to rally support. I think Daz used his ability on Aage two or three times and MP sniffed him out on D1.

It would have been ridiculo if Streaker would have been mislynched for mispelling "Flitwick". His fakeclaim spell was pretty creative and had everyone thoroughly confused. It was hard for people to find inconsistencies when it seemed liked no one really understood how his ability worked. Although, I thought for sure people would jump on him when he said that his ability didn't work one night.

I can't believe that charm's downfall was that she misspelled "Trolley". Once all the claims were out, it should have been clear that her fakeclaim just didn't fit with everything else. But I give her mad props for creating her own character and running with it the way she did.

While it may not have been a good idea to let one death eater carry out all the spells on any given night, there is no doubt that they earned this win. They were playing so well, but even up until the point that endgame was lynched, it could have all come unraveled but they held it together.

[strike wolf]

As far as balance. It wasnt completely off but maybe keep the rotation method for Mafia but make it so mafia spells could be lost if Mtam disarmed the one using that spell (except the main kill). Separate the poison from the role block and give them one more spell. Get rid of two of the third parties. Give town just a bit more power.

[StorrZerg]

I honestly think of we didn't lynch endgame and went streaker, that aage or madmitch gets lynched the next day.

[strike wolf]

I would have probably pushed Hotshot then Aage.

[StorrZerg]

Was my pushing of streaker causing doubts in your head strike?

[HotShot53]

I would have probably pushed Hotshot then Aage.

After I started the push on charm, and was going for streaker also, that wouldn't have been enough town cred for you? I was figuring I was pretty safe at that point, and the way aage and mitch were going after each other, one or the other of them would be next, and then the one who survived that and me should be pretty safe

[StorrZerg]

Let's be real, i created the dynamic of got tonk vs charm.

Not you hotshot