[Exp] CYOC! #4 Endgame! Town wins, you filthy animals

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Note: my quotes dont mean anything, I am just begrudging the fact that I was killed early and so will enjoy posting Arnie quotes anyway.

[Streaker]

I am The Moon. Allignment is Town.
Each night I have 2 actions. First, I decide which position I am on. I can choose 4 of those, and cannot repeat one until all have been chosen. New Moon, First Quarter, Last Quarter, Full Moon.
I also choose a player for my target. That player's actions are 'influenced' depending on the strength of my position. No details of the 'influence' are provided to me. I asked the mod if I would be helping them or not, he couldn't give me an answer.

I targeted PCM last night, and chose Full Moon. Since there are 2 deaths, and the town vig didn't shoot, I think it's possible I turned his action into a kill. If pcm targeted either wing or dakky he will have this information. This is just speculation on my part, however.

There are a number of possibilities that could have given me a scum result, framer, a 'mad' scientist, probably a few others.
If you look back, do you honestly feel I am the best lynch today?

Yes, I wanted to lynch benga, but I did not provide the hammer. Players could have come after me and switched without problem. If I didn't vote, a vote-off would of happened between Tim and benga. Also I made the post with my vote in it before Tim voted benga, only that post got messed up. Even if I did actually hammer, I wouldn't feel bad about it. It was a legit case on D1.

Look back to D1, and the case on Tim. Don't forget about him.
Also, these posts happened at the end of D1:

Ok. I don't at all have a case on Tim, and I think a benga lynch will provide some useful intel, so vote benga.

vote benga better him then me right??

If anything, this is why Tim should be lynched over me today:

I recieved a spy glass during the night and my action was to investigate streaker. He game up guilty. vote streaker

what exactly is a spy glass??

makes since that streak is skum he knew there was a claimed doc and yet still decided to be the hammer?? streaker didnt you get the memo me and mets are the hammer peeps. very tempted to throw vote on streak but i think since we know he has come up skum maybe we should search for the his partner/partners before we lynch him (better to get a idea of where to go D3 in general then to have no where to go)

So it makes sense that I am scum because I 'hammered' (which I didn't), but it's OK Tim provides the vote to bring benga to L-1 AFTER his claim (in his scenario)? Big contradiction there. Easy to hide on for him at this point, after the attention he got on D1.

Mets:

Ok. I don't at all have a case on Tim, and I think a benga lynch will provide some useful intel, so vote benga.

Easy statement, failing to provide what actual information he thinks to have gained from a benga lynch.

Please please please also do NOT forget to look at Endgame, as 3rd party. The moment he can win with another faction, he will NOT hesitate. The longer you wait, the worse it will be.

If I got to choose, Tim today and End tomorrow.

Town reads: ptlowe because of the mod note, strike wolf, Marashu and Iron Butterfly.
Neutral on mets, pcm, mitch (which is why I targeted one of them, I couldn't be sure if I was helping them or not.)
Leaning scum: virus (explained this D1), Hotshot (general absence near end of day, seemed content letting it play out).

[TimWoodbury]

Vote Count:

TimWoodbury – virus90, Iron Butterfly, strike wolf, madmitch, endgame422(5)
Benga – Marashu, pancakemix, wingcmdr Ginkapo, Metsfanmax, TimWoodBury, Streaker (6)
Ptlowe – dakky21 (2)
Iron Butterfly - HotShot53 (1)
Streaker - Benga (1)
strike wolf - ptlowe (1)

With 6 votes, Benga has been Lynched. Scene will be posted tomorrow morning.

Tell me exactly how I 'hammered' here. There were 5 votes on benga at the time I voted him, putting him to L-2. Apparently 6 is enough to lynch in a 15 player game.

ptlowe, what made you investigate me?

I don't know why I turned up scum, it sucks to go out this way. Give me a couple more hours to post my final thoughts before you lynch me please.

actually i think streak is right i dont think he "hammered" so to say be more benga only got killed s we ran out of time hind sight just looke at the rules posted in OP and normally it says if no majorty happens most votes gets lynched but it ont say it here so am lead to bealive there was a double vote on benga

[ptlowe]

Vote Count:

TimWoodbury – virus90, Iron Butterfly, strike wolf, madmitch, endgame422(5)
Benga – Marashu, pancakemix, wingcmdr Ginkapo, Metsfanmax, TimWoodBury, Streaker (6)
Ptlowe – dakky21 (2)
Iron Butterfly - HotShot53 (1)
Streaker - Benga (1)
strike wolf - ptlowe (1)

With 6 votes, Benga has been Lynched. Scene will be posted tomorrow morning.

Tell me exactly how I 'hammered' here. There were 5 votes on benga at the time I voted him, putting him to L-2. Apparently 6 is enough to lynch in a 15 player game.

ptlowe, what made you investigate me?

I don't know why I turned up scum, it sucks to go out this way. Give me a couple more hours to post my final thoughts before you lynch me please.

Because you left your vote on me when i wasnt a main suspect for so long then the late switch to benga after his claim.

[Endgame422]

I recieved a spy glass during the night and my action was to investigate streaker. He game up guilty. vote streaker

First off,Vote Streaker
I was trying to push him yesterday so this result is very believeable to me.
PT did it mention how you came across said spyglass?
Also dakky "losing his gun" suggests a RB,Only reason scum RB and kill vig is because he is onto one of them.
Possible that town blocked him and scum killed him but i want another look at dakkys targets.

[ptlowe]

It was gifted to me during the night

[Endgame422]

It was gifted to me during the night

Side effects?

[virus90]

vote streaker
@ streaker Contradictions man, if i was tim i wood have voted benga to, to save the own arse. it takes a lot of trust and williningness to save the doc by not making that move. Anyone can be blamed for the lynch on benga, but of all these Tim is the one that makes most sense to me to vote him, he didnt really have another option.
Also you think tim should be lynched, ok, but that is what i have been saying day 1, yet you see me as probably scummy. these 2 statements are hard to combine in my mind.

[Streaker]

vote streaker
@ streaker Contradictions man, if i was tim i wood have voted benga to, to save the own arse. it takes a lot of trust and williningness to save the doc by not making that move. Anyone can be blamed for the lynch on benga, but of all these Tim is the one that makes most sense to me to vote him, he didnt really have another option.
Also you think tim should be lynched, ok, but that is what i have been saying day 1, yet you see me as probably scummy. these 2 statements are hard to combine in my mind.

Tim thinks I'm scummy for voting a claimed doc, yet did so himself. But if you think this makes sense, sure.

[strike wolf]

Let's not rush the lynch yet. We aren't even 24 hours into the day and we have other things we can talk about like Virus for putting him at l-1. Or tim though I tend to agree with Virus that Tim voting benga to protect himself is somewhat exchsable.

I guess I am the only one who thought that doctor made sense for Harley Quinn. That wasn't what Mets was arguing though he argued that being a villain role made Harley unlikely as town. Flawed because character alignment is random. Rather than defend that stance when called out on it he tried to redirect by mentioning how dangerous a mafia doc is.

[Metsfanmax]

Who was highly present on the benga lynch? Mets.

So when you say "highly present," what do those words mean to you? Because I posted like twice in response to benga, and one of those posts indicated that I didn't feel particularly strongly about it, and the other said merely that I was skeptical that Harley Quinn would get chose for a doctor role. So I don't know what the f*ck you're talking about when you say that.

Who used flawed logic in his approach to the Benga lynch? Mets.

That wasn't what Mets was arguing though he argued that being a villain role made Harley unlikely as town.

No, learn to read. I said that I didn't think Harley Quinn would get chosen for doctor, which is a town-leaning role, since as a character she is kind of evil and in this game doctors are generally seen as good. I never said Harley was unlikely to be town, I said Harley was unlikely to be doctor. When you responded to it, I didn't feel like going on about it because that kind of shit is toxic to town, to debate endlessly about the meta. I made my point and I was done. I can't believe you're voting for me based entirely on that, but whatever. I expect better from you, I guess.

Who did most of this after Benga claimed town doc? Mets.

Yeah, five other people voted for Benga too, including one who has been investigated as scum, and look where your vote still is.

[strike wolf]

Except that you don't ever argue that its about a town aligned role for a villain. You argued about whether it was whether a villain would be town and your follow up post suggests that you could believe that harley quinn could be a doc.

By my count Streaker is at l-1. He is the lynch today but I am not in a rush to lynch right now. Plenty of discussion that can still happen.

[strike wolf]

Correction. Streaker is at L-2. Tim hasn't voted him. I just mistook a vote in quotes for his.

[Metsfanmax]

Except that you don't ever argue that its about a town aligned role for a villain.

That is literally exactly what I argued, in fact.

Harley Quinn is a villain character in DC Comics. Not clear to me that it would get chosen for a town role, certainly not clear enough to unvote.

I trust that this discussion is now closed.

[TimWoodbury]

It was gifted to me during the night

any idea who gifted it and why gift it?

[TimWoodbury]

vote streaker
@ streaker Contradictions man, if i was tim i wood have voted benga to, to save the own arse. it takes a lot of trust and williningness to save the doc by not making that move. Anyone can be blamed for the lynch on benga, but of all these Tim is the one that makes most sense to me to vote him, he didnt really have another option.
Also you think tim should be lynched, ok, but that is what i have been saying day 1, yet you see me as probably scummy. these 2 statements are hard to combine in my mind.

Tim thinks I'm scummy for voting a claimed doc, yet did so himself. But if you think this makes sense, sure.

who else would i vote when it was me or him?

[ptlowe]

It was gifted to me during the night

any idea who gifted it and why gift it?

Only noted were it was gifted and i wouldnt know what it did till i used it. I used it on streaker and got a guilty read.

I do not know of any side affects

[TheForgivenOne]

Vote Count:

metsfanmax - strike wolf (1)
streaker - ptlowe, Marashu, Iron Butterfly, Endgame422, virus90 (5) L-2

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[madmitch]

It was gifted to me during the night

Side effects?

WHO did you visit Endgame ? Did the mothman side effect cause a mafia result on Streaker ? Why would anyone give a pgo a spyglass ? I think you were trying to help town out by checking out PT, which ended up with PT getting a spyglass but the side effect is that it gave a mafia reading on Streaker ,the question is would the spy glass give a town reading on a scumbag? I believe Streaker that he is town.ALSO REMEMBER ther was a misdirection in the night. I also do not like Mets outburst,it was scummy ,how dare you call me mafia !!! And I still think Tim is scum,but for now VOTE METS

[Iron Butterfly]

Mitch does bring up a good point. How is a PGO gifted something without being killed?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

BUT I’M ALL WOMAN

[Metsfanmax]

Mitch does bring up a good point. How is a PGO gifted something without being killed?

ptlowe clearly stated that he would only become a PGO after his 1-shot bulletproof was used up by someone trying to kill him. So he couldn't have been a PGO on N1.

[Marashu]

Mitch does bring up a good point. How is a PGO gifted something without being killed?

Because ptlowe did say that he becomes a PGO only after a kill attempt is made on him.

I'd rather use my kill on someone who I think might be mafia, well, that is double-edged sword as well. Currently set on Tim, benga, endgame or Streaker.

Streaker was on that list, so it makes sense that mafia might want to stop him if Streaker is mafia. End is claimed 3P, benga is dead, and Tim is unclaimed - probably worth looking into. End, if you targeted dakky, now's the time to claim it.

If Streaker does flip town, which at this point I think is unlikely, THEN we'll worry about a mad scientist. Until then, I'm inclined to believe ptlowe and his read. With his claim, there is no chance that Mafia tried to redirect his night action.

As for mets, I am strongly reading him as town, and will not be voting for him tomorrow.

fp'd by mets

[strike wolf]

End pretty much doftclaimed that he visited Pt.

[ptlowe]

Mitch does bring up a good point. How is a PGO gifted something without being killed?

Im bulletproof for first attempt on me..after im pgo...and cannot be killed at night as i shoot first.