[Exp] CYOC! #4 Endgame! Town wins, you filthy animals

[pancakemix]

Yeah point at the guy that got mafia lynched yesterday. I am what I say I am. I have one shot bullet proof and then become PGO.

How do we know you were informed of such stuff, just your word. Also, funny you rule our virus but you focus me when I am the only one that has gotten a mafia player killed.

I'm just saying "really really can't be killed" as a role is a little fishy. So is getting a one-shot spyglass. I wouldn't put it past Streaker to take a fall.

As far as my credibility is concerned, Streaker as much as admitted he tried to manipulate me N1. It doesn't make sense for him to manipulate one of his own teammates, so logically I have to end up in the not scum department.

Unless there are two factions then you could easily be scum. Your logic is failed.

I'll not say that's not possible. That said, it's rather implausible isn't it? 2 factions isn't terribly common. And frankly, you wouldn't be saying that if I hadn't questioned you first. Despite my clear statement that I thought it was a long shot for you to be scum on those grounds, you're getting awfully defensive. I'm getting a good bit of OMGUS from your responses here.

[ptlowe]

Yeah point at the guy that got mafia lynched yesterday. I am what I say I am. I have one shot bullet proof and then become PGO.

How do we know you were informed of such stuff, just your word. Also, funny you rule our virus but you focus me when I am the only one that has gotten a mafia player killed.

I'm just saying "really really can't be killed" as a role is a little fishy. So is getting a one-shot spyglass. I wouldn't put it past Streaker to take a fall.

As far as my credibility is concerned, Streaker as much as admitted he tried to manipulate me N1. It doesn't make sense for him to manipulate one of his own teammates, so logically I have to end up in the not scum department.

Unless there are two factions then you could easily be scum. Your logic is failed.

I'll not say that's not possible. That said, it's rather implausible isn't it? 2 factions isn't terribly common. And frankly, you wouldn't be saying that if I hadn't questioned you first. Despite my clear statement that I thought it was a long shot for you to be scum on those grounds, you're getting awfully defensive. I'm getting a good bit of OMGUS from your responses here.

Actually, I got it from Endgame's post the two factions and I am getting the same from you. You seem to be a little defensive and asking us to totally trust you when we shouldnt trust anyone it is mafia.

[pancakemix]

Yeah point at the guy that got mafia lynched yesterday. I am what I say I am. I have one shot bullet proof and then become PGO.

How do we know you were informed of such stuff, just your word. Also, funny you rule our virus but you focus me when I am the only one that has gotten a mafia player killed.

I'm just saying "really really can't be killed" as a role is a little fishy. So is getting a one-shot spyglass. I wouldn't put it past Streaker to take a fall.

As far as my credibility is concerned, Streaker as much as admitted he tried to manipulate me N1. It doesn't make sense for him to manipulate one of his own teammates, so logically I have to end up in the not scum department.

Unless there are two factions then you could easily be scum. Your logic is failed.

I'll not say that's not possible. That said, it's rather implausible isn't it? 2 factions isn't terribly common. And frankly, you wouldn't be saying that if I hadn't questioned you first. Despite my clear statement that I thought it was a long shot for you to be scum on those grounds, you're getting awfully defensive. I'm getting a good bit of OMGUS from your responses here.

Actually, I got it from Endgame's post the two factions and I am getting the same from you. You seem to be a little defensive and asking us to totally trust you when we shouldnt trust anyone it is mafia.

So a third party guy suggested there might be 2 factions and now that's a thing?

Not sure what you're getting at with that last bit. I'm being defensive? How so? I argued my point, you made a counterargument, I said it wasn't very plausible. Not sure how that's me being defensive. And if we're really going to go the "trust no one" route, we shouldn't trust you either should we?

[ptlowe]

Yeah point at the guy that got mafia lynched yesterday. I am what I say I am. I have one shot bullet proof and then become PGO.

How do we know you were informed of such stuff, just your word. Also, funny you rule our virus but you focus me when I am the only one that has gotten a mafia player killed.

I'm just saying "really really can't be killed" as a role is a little fishy. So is getting a one-shot spyglass. I wouldn't put it past Streaker to take a fall.

As far as my credibility is concerned, Streaker as much as admitted he tried to manipulate me N1. It doesn't make sense for him to manipulate one of his own teammates, so logically I have to end up in the not scum department.

Unless there are two factions then you could easily be scum. Your logic is failed.

I'll not say that's not possible. That said, it's rather implausible isn't it? 2 factions isn't terribly common. And frankly, you wouldn't be saying that if I hadn't questioned you first. Despite my clear statement that I thought it was a long shot for you to be scum on those grounds, you're getting awfully defensive. I'm getting a good bit of OMGUS from your responses here.

Actually, I got it from Endgame's post the two factions and I am getting the same from you. You seem to be a little defensive and asking us to totally trust you when we shouldnt trust anyone it is mafia.

So a third party guy suggested there might be 2 factions and now that's a thing?

Not sure what you're getting at with that last bit. I'm being defensive? How so? I argued my point, you made a counterargument, I said it wasn't very plausible. Not sure how that's me being defensive. And if we're really going to go the "trust no one" route, we shouldn't trust you either should we?

True, I trust myself so that works for me lol. But yeah anythings possible and Im not going to be bullied into not considering it.

[pancakemix]

And I wouldn't expect you to take such WITHOUT questioning it. I would go as far as say, however, that Streaker's claimed action is a feather in my cap rather than a black eye, so to speak.

I could just claim, but that's no fun.

[madmitch]

@ PT you didn't lynch mafia all by yourself, and what's with the attitude ? get off your high horse and realize it might be better for town to lynch you since people can so call hide behind you,and what if you are not pro town? you are dangerous to keep around.I also believe there must have been two killers out last night, one got blocked and one didn't. @PCM brave of you to admit that you got shot at and your bp vest was used, now the scum know you have no protection unless we don't know everthing, if your role is important to town , maybe one of us could protect you. @ Virus I believe I might be wrong about you and have changed my scum picks to Tim and PT, NOT VOTING YET JUST keeping an eye on them

[strike wolf]

I think Pancake is town. I could be wrong. For all I know Pancake was Streaker's buddy and Streaker was hoping he would back up the moon claim when he called him out but this seems unlikely especially if he is telling the truth about the vest. If PCM was scum he is more likely BP SK. I am suspicious of Virus and Tim for reasons stated. IB I think at this point is town and I still don't fully trust Mets. Virus has been more than just inactive this is the second or third time he has magically popped up after being called inactive. Tim is just fluff as someone else said. I don't have any kind of good read on Mmitch. It doesn't feel like his normal town play or the limited scum play I have seen from him. Of course the scum play was influenced by a strong fake claim. If I had to choose right now. I would probably follow the wagon on Tim.

[TimWoodbury]

i was the one to start with, and stick on timwoodsbury day 1. who in my opinion is still the nr 1 target. if not a last minute mafia vote of streaker on benga we might just have gotten 2 out of 2.

hmmmkay. vote tim
tim doesnt post much content gets called out, and admits. then posts some more meaningless posts. Also basicly the only one who was jokevoting/posting all around, while the rest has voted/posted about dakky om some other serious opinions. say he will catch up by sunday, but so far i see enough reason to vote.

day 2 we had a basicly confirmed scum, so i voted streaker, since i believe its better to kill someone who is basicly confirmed scum, then to kill someone who you think is scum. Didnt post much cause i believed that streaker was scum, and even with the discussion about it still believed he was. the game stalled, its what happens when you get it handed on a silver platter, what else to discuss. i mean you can make all kind of assumptions but they are based on the hypothesis you so desperatly want to test (streaker being scum). BUT in the end the only one making waves is streaker with i am town dont lynch me, and no one believes it. better end it fast in a day or 5 then wait 2 weeks beating around the bush. with holiday season coming up and inactivity that comes with it cause of visiting friends and family i hoped we could hurry up a sure lynch a bit.

So i agree with endgame, or he agrees with me, that tim is just making filler-posts not taking stances etc. i think we should lynch him. to be honest i dont see better candidates.
mitch might be a candidate since he is on the wrong team all the time, voted benga, didnt believe ptlowe so didnt vote streaker but went for metsfanmax? problem with him is i never know if hes just a bad playing towny or scum. But for me a tim claim is the only thing i hope for now.

It is funny how you conveniently show up after someone says. My biggest scum read is Virus lol.

i show up befre wok aka when i wake up, i check in i go to work i come home check in more and then go to bed and repeate more or less every day nothing to funny there.

[ptlowe]

Im talking about vurus tim

[TimWoodbury]

ahhh okay makes since now tanks PT.

i am also tending to somewhat agree that there is another killing faction someone attempted to kill pcm last night and then also mars was killed.

vig is already killed so that leaves as someone else said either skum have a doublekill somehow or there is a 2nd vig or there are 2 skum partys.

now im still kinda new here so can anyone tell me how often any of those 3 options pop up in THIS sort of game?

[Endgame422]

ahhh okay makes since now tanks PT.

i am also tending to somewhat agree that there is another killing faction someone attempted to kill pcm last night and then also mars was killed.

vig is already killed so that leaves as someone else said either skum have a doublekill somehow or there is a 2nd vig or there are 2 skum partys.

now im still kinda new here so can anyone tell me how often any of those 3 options pop up in THIS sort of game?

Honestly in a CYOC game basically anything can happen.l,but lets look at the possibilities here.
Remember N1 wing and dakky were killed
N2 Pancake and marashu were targeted.

Option 1. 1 scum group with 2 kills.
This one kinda makes sense as scum killed claimed vig(who was threatening at least 1 scum to be sure) and wing. Question here is why wing? He was on the mislynch D1 and didnt seem to be pushing anyone very hard so im lost there,perhaps scum read his more neutral play as likely to be a PR.
N2 makes less sense in this scenario to me.

2. Multiple anti-town factions
2 factions with 2 different agendas makes the most sense to me here,the wing/mars kills seem to be 2 of a kind and the dakky/PCM ones seem 2 of another.
Wing/mars were both hanging back and blending in a bit which suggests to scum they might be important PRs(mars at least actually was)
Where as PCM/dakky were players who were/are considered townies by the rest of us.
It appears there are 2 different methodologies here.
One thats searching for PRs and one thats limiting the number of the more obvious town players.

Option 3. 1 scum group,town has another vig
This one explains dakkys death nicely as a 2nd vig would definetly shoot him for claiming vig D1 but it makes less sense for N2 as i imagine shooting virus/tim/mitch would be more likely then PCM or even mars.

Option 4. Busdriver/redirector,N2 scene suggests some kind of manipulative scum role,perhaps mars and i were redirected and mars ended up visiting pt,and therefore dying by PGO. While i visited whoever received a gift today(since its 1 shot i imagine it got sent to scum as a townie would definetly claim any result from another spyglass)
This option doesnt really explain why 2 kills on N1(unless streakers role turned another one into a kill like he suggested) though so it seems plausible but unlikely to me.
Overall i support option 2 as the most likely.

[strike wolf]

Or scum group/sk. Traditionally more likely than two factions in a game this size but this isn't a traditional game. 2 faction or sk make the most sense as that would make scum more likely to target unaligned scummy seeming players who would normally be left for mislynches.

[Iron Butterfly]

I think folks are chasing shadows. Anytime there has been two factions, that is two separate, anti town teams it has been a themed game. The factions made sense as far as lore was concerned. I think the worst case scenario is we have an SK.

[pancakemix]

Or scum group/sk. Traditionally more likely than two factions in a game this size but this isn't a traditional game. 2 faction or sk make the most sense as that would make scum more likely to target unaligned scummy seeming players who would normally be left for mislynches.

I'm also subscribing to the scum group/sk theory. Simplicity is beauty, even in CYOC.

[HotShot53]

I also agree scum/sk is most likely if there are two shots every night. Although I'm not sure what point this speculation has, other than to give people something to post about.

So now mitch, in addition to hard defending streaker yesterday, goes after virus for being inactive, and while true, virus is often a town inactive so it could just be an easy push for mitch to make without having to really scum hunt. He then goes after ptlowe, questioning his role, and then wanting to lynch him for it. But he makes sure we know he's not actually voting for ptlowe for some reason (it's not like we are near endgane yet... people still need 6 votes to be lynched). After ptlowe caught streaker yesterday, he's the least likely to be scum...

Overall, I find mitch's play very strange/scummy, even for him, so I will go ahead and vote mitch

[madmitch]

@ Hotshot, I have not voted for any one yet because I want to make sure I pick the right person, Virus is shady because he only pops in once in a while, he seems like he is always afk until someone calls him scum and them poof he 's here. I KNOW PT is town but is he good for town? there has been the talk of a hider and the best place to hide is behind a pgo, and Tim has been acting strange all game. I have explained why I stuck up for Streaker and most players seem to understand but you won't even give me a chance , it's like you got a vendetta against me or you are trying to keep people from looking at you to closely FOS Hotshot

[Endgame422]

Yeah the more i think about it the more jt makes sense to for a SK,the kills on wing/mars are definetly someone hunting for PRs which makes sense as watcher/tracker can undo SK fairly easily.
Interesting to note that at first mention of a SK,hotshot immediately suggests that discussing SK is a waste of time,or "fluff"

I also agree scum/sk is most likely if there are two shots every night. Although I'm not sure what point this speculation has, other than to give people something to post about.

Probably not the best idea for me to call this out as if im right ive significantly increased my chances of getting murdered tonight,but if were thinking second killer is SK,HS would be my top guess.
He just downplayed the SK discussion,hes pushing on someone whos generally thought of as scummy,and he hasnt done anything to draw attention to himself at all(although i admit under-the-radar is basically his meta regardless of alignment)
If i die you guys can be fairly confident SK killed me,as i dont think scum can afford to bother with me with streaker already lynched.

[TheForgivenOne]

Vote Count:

madmitch - ptlowe, hotshot53 (2)
TimWoodbury - Endgame422 (1)
virus90 - TimWoodbury (1)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[Iron Butterfly]

Yeah the more i think about it the more jt makes sense to for a SK,the kills on wing/mars are definetly someone hunting for PRs which makes sense as watcher/tracker can undo SK fairly easily.
Interesting to note that at first mention of a SK,hotshot immediately suggests that discussing SK is a waste of time,or "fluff"

I also agree scum/sk is most likely if there are two shots every night. Although I'm not sure what point this speculation has, other than to give people something to post about.

Probably not the best idea for me to call this out as if im right ive significantly increased my chances of getting murdered tonight,but if were thinking second killer is SK,HS would be my top guess.
He just downplayed the SK discussion,hes pushing on someone whos generally thought of as scummy,and he hasnt done anything to draw attention to himself at all(although i admit under-the-radar is basically his meta regardless of alignment)
If i die you guys can be fairly confident SK killed me,as i dont think scum can afford to bother with me with streaker already lynched.

LOL which also means that if there is an SK and you are killed by him the he will now possibly be blamed. Wine wine wine.

Here is something to think of as well if ptlowe is PGO weather Town/or mafia aligned and some one is directed to visit him at night we will then have another death.

I am fairly certain that there is more then just a busdriver that can redirect people.

[pancakemix]

Yeah the more i think about it the more jt makes sense to for a SK,the kills on wing/mars are definetly someone hunting for PRs which makes sense as watcher/tracker can undo SK fairly easily.
Interesting to note that at first mention of a SK,hotshot immediately suggests that discussing SK is a waste of time,or "fluff"

I also agree scum/sk is most likely if there are two shots every night. Although I'm not sure what point this speculation has, other than to give people something to post about.

Probably not the best idea for me to call this out as if im right ive significantly increased my chances of getting murdered tonight,but if were thinking second killer is SK,HS would be my top guess.
He just downplayed the SK discussion,hes pushing on someone whos generally thought of as scummy,and he hasnt done anything to draw attention to himself at all(although i admit under-the-radar is basically his meta regardless of alignment)
If i die you guys can be fairly confident SK killed me,as i dont think scum can afford to bother with me with streaker already lynched.

Honestly, you should already be dead. Y'know, my crazy theory about PT being scum makes a lot of sense with you also in cahoots. And the more I hear you talk about reason why you should die during the night the less likely I think it is to happen.

[HotShot53]

@ Hotshot, I have not voted for any one yet because I want to make sure I pick the right person, Virus is shady because he only pops in once in a while, he seems like he is always afk until someone calls him scum and them poof he 's here. I KNOW PT is town but is he good for town? there has been the talk of a hider and the best place to hide is behind a pgo, and Tim has been acting strange all game. I have explained why I stuck up for Streaker and most players seem to understand but you won't even give me a chance , it's like you got a vendetta against me or you are trying to keep people from looking at you to closely FOS Hotshot

A hider is usually a town role, so having a place to hide is usually a good thing. Although now that PCM said the blocked shot was on him and not ptlowe, that kind of removes the whole hider theory of the scene.

I don't have a vendetta against you, most games I give you the benefit of the doubt... this game you just trip my scumdar more than most. And no-one has been looking at me (other than just now with endgame), so there wasn't really anything to try to deflect from me. *adds an OMGUS FOS to mitch's list of scummy actions

[madmitch]

@ Hotshot

[pancakemix]

Mod, VC?

[TheForgivenOne]

Mod, VC?

Nothing's changed since my one I posted yesterday.

Vote Count:

madmitch - ptlowe, hotshot53 (2)
TimWoodbury - Endgame422 (1)
virus90 - TimWoodbury (1)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[madmitch]

@ PCM what's the great need to know the vote count ? are you in a rush to reach the night ? you are not even voted for I just don't under stand why you needed the vote count again? Anyone else find this strange ?