[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[the white rose]

sorry, but i have given up trying to read aladdin's posts, its just too much effort to translate it into english.

should he ever say anything important, perhaps someone else would repost for me.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

sorry, but i have given up trying to read aladdin's posts, its just too much effort to translate it into english.

should he ever say anything important, perhaps someone else would repost for me.

Can you give your top reads please? Whilst you appear to be safe from lynch today, there may be a vig, its important you give reads prior to death. Plus it helps us read your alignment which i would very much appreciate.

[AladdinSane]

Okay Ginkapo, let's talk about inconsistency. In yore neckst-to-useless "reeds", you said:

Mitch and dj need copchecking as i will never get a good read on em.

But just a littul later, when I posted on the importance of verifying copchecks, he does a compeat about-face and says:

Aladdin. Disregard copchecks as they are a crutch,

BAM!!! So, yer obviusly changing yer opinion to soot yore campayne agenst me. Yool just say anyfink to try to make me look bad, won't you? Gonna be fun wotching you squerm out of dis one.

[AladdinSane]

Okay, Storr, let's do a comparison ov Ginkapo's "reeds" and my reads. here's Ginkapo's:

Mtam is town as he is nailing his reads.

Storr, pt, ib are likely town in my books.

Aladdin, white rose, deg, benga, rish, falko are all anti town.

Mitch and dj need copchecking as i will never get a good read on em.

And hear are SUM of mine:

Some thorts about other playas. There are several who have been on my radar for a while, but none of them are clear linches at this point.

...

I've alredy commented on Sausage and Skoffin in the previous post. So:

Storr: Still leaning Town, despite his seething hatred for humor in eny shape or form, and his inability to deel with my PR, but I do have concerns about his push for massclaim erlier, espeshally because I think (unless I have fergoten somting) he has yet to fullclaim himself. How about it, Storr? The result of the massclaim push seems to be just that we got a cupple erly naive claims like PTLOWE coming out as cop. Massclaim push prob had anti-Town effect overall, so I think we have to look at Storr a bit harder. On the other hand, I'm sure people will jump on me for asking Storr to fullclaim. Whatever. Storr might have good reasons for not wanting to fullclaim, and those reasons cood be pro- or anti-Town.

Mitch: Wot can I say? Prob too much of a wildcard to live, but he has already been injured and is not expected live much longer. 10/10 for being entertaining.

Metsfanmax: I don't know why but I'm not getting a Town vibe on Max. Can't put my finger on anyfink tho. Remains enigmatic / neutral for now.

TWR: Need to look over his posts again, so no verdict for now. Comes across as slightly scummy, but he did in my other game too, and he was Town their.

Benga and IB: Conflicting reports of investimagashuns on Sausage. Will suspend judgement until the Sausage lynch, assuming that happens.

PTLowe: I'm inclined to beleeve his cop claim - although I tink it was naive to claim it so erly, Have no idea about his sanity. We have had one insane cop alreddy. He cood be sane, insane, or paranoid. So far, nobody has flipped sane.

WC Ginkapo: Pretty sure he is a lincher or something. Best ignored as far as voting goes (both votes ON and votes BY), but did do good work on the VC issue. Prob believes he is pro-Town, but might not be sane.

PLAYER: Seems a bit eager to please, sumtimes. Posting enuff, but seems to just go with theh flow, which is scummy. Leaning scum, slitely.

Okay, enuf for now. Will come back and do sum moor after playing some CC moves and doing sum other stuff.

Mine are cleerly more detailed and have more supporting reesons, yet you choose to attak my reeds and just give Ginkapo a pass. Even without other evidense, this is a good sine you too are werking toggether. Time to come cleen.

I think we need to break into this group, and find out wots going on. I suspect their will be enough votes for WhatSausage, and I can always change later if necessary, so VOTE STORR.

If I've got it rite, that's a sticky vote for Skoffin and another vote for Storr.

[the white rose]

sorry, but i have given up trying to read aladdin's posts, its just too much effort to translate it into english.

should he ever say anything important, perhaps someone else would repost for me.

Can you give your top reads please? Whilst you appear to be safe from lynch today, there may be a vig, its important you give reads prior to death. Plus it helps us read your alignment which i would very much appreciate.

ok, top reads

benga = town. I believe his retired cop and has just 2 investigtions. I do not believe he is insane, paranoid or naive as he already has a qualifier, retired. Therefore, I believe his report on sausage. Could it be skewed? i think not as any busdriver would only be active at night i believe.

ib. tries get town cred by leading the lynch on hotshot. He unvoted before hs got lynched which seems odd, I wonder if that was part of his win condition? lets remember that hs was not mafia, but 3p, therefore he does not get town cred in my book. that does not make him scum though. His magic ball claims sausage is town, yet he now votes sausage in any case. now that seems scummy to me, first tries to clear his scum mate, then when he realises its hopeless, he jumps on the bw for town cred.

pt's cop claim....i have a problem with this.....if it is genuine and all he can give us his a town investigation i cannot understand why he would claim. on the other hand if he were scum claiming cop puts him in the spotlight not something scum like to do. On balance though, i think scum....and his claim is an attempt to get the doc to protect the wrong person. had he got a scum investigation i would accept his claim.

Aladdin. I think his misspelling is part of his role. He seems very active and doing his best to find scum with some good analytical posts, well until i gave up reading him.....i wonder about innocent child....a child would perhaps not spell correctly....or perhaps some kind of village idiot....we have an aysulum, i wonder if he is a retard....though none of that gives a clue as to his alignment.

Storr. I believe to be scum, simply cos he keeps going on about mass claiming. mass claiming can never be good for town. we would not have a clue who was lying and who was telling the truth and in a game like this where there will be many weird roles scum could claim just about anything. The only people who would know who was lying would be scum, so it plays right into there hands. If i were doc, which i am not btw, and claimed.....i would be signing my own death warrant....scum would like nothing more than to identify and kill any protective role and storr thinks we should just tell scum who has this(these) role(s).

Do we have anybody who has not posted yet and have not been replaced? if so we should be asking ourselves why that is?

I have made a detailed report on a few players here, now watch someone accuse this post of being scummy

[StorrZerg]

It's fun watching scum squirm when they have been caught.

I'll be home in an hour or so, so expect a more detailed attack post on AladdinSane then.

So, why still support whatsausage lynch?
If I'm undoubtedly scum, then whatsausage is not scum with me. I would be surely working very hard to miss lynch him. Why are you not defending him amd trying to convince others to not vote him? Also what of my case? What did you like, or didn't you like?

Your push is futile, I know it, you know it. Seems to me your role fishing for my claim. Sure I offered up claiming, how ever considering I got cop checked I've decided against claiming today, in addition toass claiming not happening. It's possible something happened as well, something unknown. You will just have to wait. I'll claim what it's in the best interest of town. Atm it isnt.

[AladdinSane]

Aladdins reads summarised;

Storr - town
Mets - neutral
Twr - no read
Benga & IB - no read but happy to lynch one tomorrow based on Sausages alignment
Ptlowe -town
Wcg - protown (not sure how we are supposed to interpret that nonsense aladdin has written really)
Player - scum

Aladdin - is my interpretation wrong at any point?

Yes, Ginkapo, it is wong at several points. Detail:

STORR
I said: "leaning Town", and expressed reservations.
You said: "town" - you dropped a lot of the detail

METS
I said: neutral/enigmatic, can't quite read him.
You said: "neutral" - again, dropped the nuance

MITCH
I said: "too much of a wildcard to live"
You JUST SKIPPED HIM

TWR
I said: no read yet, but comes across as slitely scummy.
You said: no read - missed detail again

THIS iS WHERE IT BECOMES MORE INTERSTING...

IB & BENGA
I said: "Will suspend judgement until the Sausage lynch, assuming that happens."
You said: "no read but happy to lynch one tomorrow based on Sausages alignment"
THAT'S COMPLETELY FREAKING DIFFERENT. I SAID NOTHING ABOUT HAPPY TO LYNCH ONE TOMORROW.

PTLOWE
I said: I believe his cop claim, think it was naive to claim erly, said we don't know his sanity
You said: "town". Just that: "town". Detail omitted agin.

GINKAPO
I said: prob a lincher, best ignored, good work on VC issue, prob believes he is pro-Town but might not be sane.
You said: "protown"
THIS IS A COMPLETE MISREPRESENTATION OF WOT I SAID

PLAYER
I said: Seems eager to please, posting enuff but goes with the flow, seems SLITELY scummy
You said: "scum"

SO, YEAH, GINKAPO, YORE "INTERPETASHUN" WAS WONG ALL OVER THE SHOP. Maybe yore problem is just reeding comprehenshun, or maybe you were deliberately trivializing my reads just becorse it suits your campayne to get me linched.

Anyone who is interested can see my ackshual reeds posted below:

Some thorts about other playas. There are several who have been on my radar for a while, but none of them are clear linches at this point.

...

I've alredy commented on Sausage and Skoffin in the previous post. So:

Storr: Still leaning Town, despite his seething hatred for humor in eny shape or form, and his inability to deel with my PR, but I do have concerns about his push for massclaim erlier, espeshally because I think (unless I have fergoten somting) he has yet to fullclaim himself. How about it, Storr? The result of the massclaim push seems to be just that we got a cupple erly naive claims like PTLOWE coming out as cop. Massclaim push prob had anti-Town effect overall, so I think we have to look at Storr a bit harder. On the other hand, I'm sure people will jump on me for asking Storr to fullclaim. Whatever. Storr might have good reasons for not wanting to fullclaim, and those reasons cood be pro- or anti-Town.

Mitch: Wot can I say? Prob too much of a wildcard to live, but he has already been injured and is not expected live much longer. 10/10 for being entertaining.

Metsfanmax: I don't know why but I'm not getting a Town vibe on Max. Can't put my finger on anyfink tho. Remains enigmatic / neutral for now.

TWR: Need to look over his posts again, so no verdict for now. Comes across as slightly scummy, but he did in my other game too, and he was Town their.

Benga and IB: Conflicting reports of investimagashuns on Sausage. Will suspend judgement until the Sausage lynch, assuming that happens.

PTLowe: I'm inclined to beleeve his cop claim - although I tink it was naive to claim it so erly, Have no idea about his sanity. We have had one insane cop alreddy. He cood be sane, insane, or paranoid. So far, nobody has flipped sane.

WC Ginkapo: Pretty sure he is a lincher or something. Best ignored as far as voting goes (both votes ON and votes BY), but did do good work on the VC issue. Prob believes he is pro-Town, but might not be sane.

PLAYER: Seems a bit eager to please, sumtimes. Posting enuff, but seems to just go with theh flow, which is scummy. Leaning scum, slitely.

[StorrZerg]

TWR which day would you consider mass claiming? Day 4? Day 7? Never?

[the white rose]

TWR which day would you consider mass claiming? Day 4? Day 7? Never?

think i would say never, normally

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Does anyone believe Aladdin to be town?

[StorrZerg]

TWR which day would you consider mass claiming? Day 4? Day 7? Never?

think i would say never, normally

Did you read why I advocate for it? Or just saw "mass claim" and assume it's bad

[StorrZerg]

Does anyone believe Aladdin to be town?

It would be fairly easy to swing the lynch to AladdinSane

[AladdinSane]

sorry, but i have given up trying to read aladdin's posts, its just too much effort to translate it into english.

should he ever say anything important, perhaps someone else would repost for me.

Dis maid me feel sad.

I do my best, weally I do, but it seems I can't keep both the mods and other fokes happy. Pore me!

[AladdinSane]

Does anyone believe Aladdin to be town?

It would be fairly easy to swing the lynch to AladdinSane

Dis is pure arogance. Wot you are saying reely is "It wood be fairly easy to manipulate these yokels into voting AladdinSane". Do you reely beleeve evryone here is just waiting for you to leed them around by the nose like dat?

[AladdinSane]

Does anyone believe Aladdin to be town?

Does anywun believe you arnt a lincher? Or that you and Storr arnt werking together?

On that note, I'm orf to bed, at the relatively erly hour of 2:30am.

[the white rose]

TWR which day would you consider mass claiming? Day 4? Day 7? Never?

think i would say never, normally

Did you read why I advocate for it? Or just saw "mass claim" and assume it's bad

Storr, let me give you an example of a mass claim

an imaginary game, with 5 vanilla townies, 1 cop, 1 doc, 1 tracker, 2 mafia

everyone claimes....so you have the following claims

6 vanilla townies
1 cop
1 doc
1 tracker
1 jester

who are you gonna lynch?

you can be sure that the doc will die in the night, followed by the cop and tracker, but you have no idea out of the 6 vt and 1 jester who is who.....scum do....all you have done is told them town's power roles and who to nk.

the only people it benefits is scum, so it follows that anybody pushing this must also be scum

[Iron Butterfly]

WCG...aka monkeyface...again you keep asking the questions and deflecting any put to you..even the same questions...You seem to have a fixation on Aladdin who admittedly shoots off at the mouth a lot with his reads but you also fill the airwaves only your broadcasts are usually negative static...must say Storr appears to be your sidekick in the anti-Aladdin pusche but maybe he's just a grammar Nazi...good tactics to attack from different angles tho as that way you'd never have to be seen as backing up each other's arguments...
True I don't post MUCH but when I do I don't post MULCH

Soit is your opinion that Wing and Storr are mafiar working in tandem?

Your post is mulch for sure.

What else do you have to add to the discussion?

Hold on a red hot minute der, IB: You don't get to just write off an allejed link between Ginkapo and Storr without giving reesons. You run the risk of looking like skum defending skum.

I think is easy to see a connect Storr and monkeyface during the game...Town is motivated to find scum, it is less clear to me why to come to defend specific players, unless they are your mafia buddies. This group is completed by IB and in a minor degree Benga.

I don't no about Benga - he had a conflikting reed to IB - but dese other tree are looking mitey chummy rite now. Mitey chummy indeed. And sinse none of dem is confirmed Town, dat's vewy vewy suspishus.

This is where you sheer inexperience shines through. This applies to several others. Just because one makes a point of accusing someone does not mean it is a viable argument. Several people keep popping in such as DJ and say such and such seem to be scum as if it means something. Scum tells are an accumulation, a record if you will,of things such as vote patterns, contributions, logic ect. As the game wears on and people start to flip patterns and behaviors become even MORE apparent.

So yeh I do get to write off an alleged link made by a plyer who has contributed absolutely nothing other then to say that Wing and Storr are tied. I base my answer based on his contribution AND Meta. I have been playing with these two for many games and are familiar with their meta and how they play. Does this mean they are Town? Absolutely not as one never knows 100% till one is dead and buried. In fact I do not fully believe Storr is cleared as Town simply because he got a Town investigation BUT his play so far suggests Town.

There is a whole game within a game that needs to be played and understood. You are on your second game and seem to know what you speak and yet know jack shit. A little knowledge is dangerous.

A person can look scummy to one person. The key is convincing others that they are scum. Something DJ and you do not know how to do. You seem to think that making a million posts and commenting like you know what you speak about somehow is a good thing. You seem to think if you through enough poop on the wall something will eventually stick.

[StorrZerg]

Ah, so you believe this game to have lots of vanilla townies? You think this game is going to be that simple?

Ill link you Streakers First hosted game. This was a non standard game, with everyone having a role.

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 0&t=208808
9 players, had 2 mafia, with EVERYONE having a PR. Day 1 claim would have resulted in a mafia loss 100%.

Spoiler

You check Storrzerg... and discover he is Town.

great...

i've been mafia 4x now....

3x i've been godfather... (kinda hate getting this role, once in a while its fun to play, but you know you can't be cop checked)

mass claim was a good idea, hotshot role was "strongman" aka jail keeper

and the fake claim we got was vig or juggler. i was planning on claiming animal trainer = tracker. or 1 shot bullet proof

A big thing this game was the lack of activity, and the lack of following through with the plan of mass claim. (i think we only had 2 claims last day out of 5. )

Streakers second hosted game
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 0&t=209263
Also had everyone as a role.
Mass claim didn't happen, (mafia got wrecked). But the game could have ended faster because of it. With a plethora of strong town roles, and weak fake claims from mafia, meant it would have been easy pickings to find the mafia.


I have a strong feeling this game is setup very similarly. Sure he may have done a better job balancing the game with "bastard roles" But Most if not all people are going to have some form of a role. And imo, mafia will have fake claims that are poor. And not to take a jab just at streaker, i think most games that are not standard and have flavor have very poor mafia fake claims. If any at all, and the mods then result in doing other things to try and "help mafa" Be that not having full role claims reviled on death, or not confirming how roles work. (They will gladly explain a cop, but when you ask about something less usual and the role priority of a game, you get nothing).


So with his previous experience as a host, And what we currently know now. 3 cop claims, a magic 8 gifted ball, random Post restrictions, a vote manipulator, Its fairly easy to start to understand how this game is going to unfold, and how it can be solved.

I assure if i was mafia, i wouldn't want a mass claim. Doing one would really hurt the teams ability to "hide" among town. Actions would be held accountable for, Not to mention if we had to make up claims on the spot. Which we almost certainly would have to do. Sure. the mod could have set up the game to where a mass claim would not show any real pattern, (i strongly doubt, its part of the problem with having large games with many power roles).

Its one thing to be scared of the possibilities of what "mafia" could do with all known power roles on the table, but when you have played so many games on this site. Additionally, doing a mass claim helps to "prove" if certain people truly can't claim their role. (something that i think is a bastard concept, quoting is bad yes, but not allowing someone to claim is just dumb).

[PLAYER57832]

Aladdins reads summarised;

Storr - town
Mets - neutral
Twr - no read
Benga & IB - no read but happy to lynch one tomorrow based on Sausages alignment
Ptlowe -town
Wcg - protown (not sure how we are supposed to interpret that nonsense aladdin has written really)
Player - scum

Probably not worth much, but here is my read:
Mets not town, maybe mafia maybe not (sorry, but yeah.. that is how I read you now)
Wcg -- anti town, most likely mafia just pushing too hard on what seem to be the wrong things
PtLowe -- unsure, but leaning to anti-town, though likely does not know it (ie either naive or deranged role assignment)
TWR -- anti town, but may change my opinion
Benga --pro town, though if sausage lynched, it will show veracity of both benga and IR, even a few others.
Storr -- likely town
Aladdin -- unsure, leaning toward his being town most recently.
IR -- not an immediate threat, unsure beyond that
Player (me) -- believe I am town. I suppose in this game anything is possible, but not aware of any oddities and since I am new, I suspect streaker would not have given me too difficult a role. (Pure speculation, but seems more logical that the more experienced would have more complex roles, since they are likely better able to play them out well).

My guess is that if I am correct or highly correct, I will be shot, but then again... this is my first game, so maybe I am just misreading it all. The only one here with whom I have any outside experience would be mets.. in the forum and that was mostly some time ago, so mostly just reading what is posted here, no outside/experience influences.

[Iron Butterfly]

Does anyone believe Aladdin to be town?

The lynch should be Sausage.

Alladin is annoying but for the moment is the least of our worries.

Now are we going for duel lynches?

The question I would have for Sausage is he said there was a message forum where noone posted.So how did he know there were two others?

[StorrZerg]

As i go through to murder your reads AladdinSane, I'll just respond to some advice from IB.

A person can look scummy to one person. The key is convincing others that they are scum. Something DJ and you do not know how to do. You seem to think that making a million posts and commenting like you know what you speak about somehow is a good thing. You seem to think if you through enough poop on the wall something will eventually stick.

Yeah not to mention if people are not going to bother reading your posts, because you choose to make it incredibly incoherent. Its one thing to add tasteful misspelling that can be glossed over easily, and another to purposely put illogical ones. You do not have the Charisma yet, or the drive to get people onto your side AladdinSane. Let this be a learning game
Also, you should refer to Wing, as Wing, or WingCmdr. No one refers to him by Ginkapo. Its very hard to follow everyones reads if people use different short hand for everyone. Not to mention, you misspell peoples names which is critically awful. How is anyone suppose to be able to skim your posts to check if you did make a post regarding someone if you fail to spell peoples names right? I get that you have this "post restriction" , yet you are not doing anything about it to HELP town read you. Currently trying to find your "read" on WhatSausage, yet i
can't find it...

Storr: Still leaning Town, despite his seething hatred for humor in eny shape or form, and his inability to deel with my PR, but I do have concerns about his push for massclaim erlier, espeshally because I think (unless I have fergoten somting) he has yet to fullclaim himself. How about it, Storr? The result of the massclaim push seems to be just that we got a cupple erly naive claims like PTLOWE coming out as cop. Massclaim push prob had anti-Town effect overall, so I think we have to look at Storr a bit harder. On the other hand, I'm sure people will jump on me for asking Storr to fullclaim. Whatever. Storr might have good reasons for not wanting to fullclaim, and those reasons cood be pro- or anti-Town.

(this changed lately, how ever ill attack this post at this time)
Leaning town, with 0 reason. Instead its filled with a lot of throwing scum. Attempting to discredit the town. SO in reality this read is null, since you can't take a stand. (you recently did, after being provoked).

Mitch: Wot can I say? Prob too much of a wildcard to live, but he has already been injured and is not expected live much longer. 10/10 for being entertaining.

Not a read. This is just repeating what is known to everyone. We all know he is nuts, we all know he has been shot.

Metsfanmax: I don't know why but I'm not getting a Town vibe on Max. Can't put my finger on anyfink tho. Remains enigmatic / neutral for now.

Again not a read. You are not backing up the read with any substance. The question was for reads, and this isn't a read to say "welp got nothing. It would be different if it was a pointed question about mets, but it was a general statement to which you could include anyone. Thus im sure you could have picked someone else besides mets.

TWR: Need to look over his posts again, so no verdict for now. Comes across as slightly scummy, but he did in my other game too, and he was Town their.

Again, a null read. Claiming he is slightly scummy, but because of what? There is nothing to back up this read. Again, i feel you say something that has been said by others, that TWR was acting scummy in a previous game, yet was town. If you think he is acting scummy, why? what? Also he doesn't like me and thinks im scum, so what do you think of that? How come that isn't mentioned? It seems it should be fairly important to be garnering support for yourself to lynch someone. Yet you pay no attention to his reads or his actions it seems.

Benga and IB: Conflicting reports of investimagashuns on Sausage. Will suspend judgement until the Sausage lynch, assuming that happens.

Again, not a read. Stating the obvious. This is of course on everyones mind, but its interesting to know what people think of these players BEFORE the lynch. SO why do you avoid giving reason? Could it be scared as a town to be wrong? If so you shouldn't ever be scared to give your thoughts as town. Town isn't hunting you, we are hunting mafia. MAFIA are need to be careful of what they say, to be caught in a lie etc etc.

PTLowe: I'm inclined to beleeve his cop claim - although I tink it was naive to claim it so erly, Have no idea about his sanity. We have had one insane cop alreddy. He cood be sane, insane, or paranoid. So far, nobody has flipped sane.

First sorta read with a reason. "believing his claim because he was naive and claimed early" Thought his isn't exactly an unique view. Care to elaborate on him? Anything besides his claim that you could share on? well if you wanna talk about his claim, how about why he checked who he did? does that make sense from a town perspective? How about his perspective does it make sense?

WC Ginkapo: Pretty sure he is a lincher or something. Best ignored as far as voting goes (both votes ON and votes BY), but did do good work on the VC issue. Prob believes he is pro-Town, but might not be sane.

Again, a this or that read. A lynching role could be town or mafia. Seems like we have had one all ready that was up front about it (ib). Mafia could have one as well, lynching X person results in a new power? or something. Thing is, your not actually reading his alignment. You are just searching for his role, which comes across as scummy.
PLAYER: Seems a bit eager to please, sumtimes. Posting enuff, but seems to just go with theh flow, which is scummy. Leaning scum, slitely.

Mine are cleerly more detailed and have more supporting reesons, yet you choose to attak my reeds and just give Ginkapo a pass. Even without other evidense, this is a good sine you too are werking toggether. Time to come cleen.

This just show cases even more how ignorant you are of your situation. While you may have typed more words than wing. Wing isn't flip flopping on a read in the same sentence, not to mention i just straight up don't believe this comment. he could be mafia, pocketing me and teaming up with me to pressure you. Thats absolutely a possibility. How ever, Its very unusual for mafia to pair up so hard so early in the game, when there is no reason not to. If we rolled mafia together, we almost certainly would be making shots at each other, because we both know we can handle pressure. This would also set up each other to look "better" if either was found to be scum.

I think we need to break into this group, and find out wots going on. I suspect their will be enough votes for WhatSausage, and I can always change later if necessary, so VOTE STORR.

What do you hope to accomplish with pressure on me? I know you can't get me lynched. The only way i'm claiming is if a vig threatens to shoot me today. Also, have you heard of a term called "town circle" before? Some people play the game by finding people they trust, and lynching outside of that group. Mafia get really panicky when they can't sneak into these circles. Attempting to break an early bond like this isn't going to help anyone on day 2, Specially when we have so many people sliding under the radar...

[StorrZerg]

Does anyone believe Aladdin to be town?

The lynch should be Sausage.

Alladin is annoying but for the moment is the least of our worries.

Now are we going for duel lynches?

The question I would have for Sausage is he said there was a message forum where noone posted.So how did he know there were two others?

Possibly told "you don't know who is in the group or their alignment, but you know there are 2 people in the group"

I suspect thats the reason. I also suspect the group isn't that great since 1, no one talks even though its day or night. 2 it could be made up.

I think we should avoid a duel lynch atm, Unless its to lynch an inactive that will be mod killed. Or stack votes on no lynch. Probably need to look into this, since we all have votes that can't be moved atm...

[Ragian]

I'll repost this. If you have already replied, IB, I apologise. I couldn't find it, though. Could you indulge me, please?

Wing wrote "Note that Sausage didnt claim town, so Benga's investigation that Sausage is Anti Town stands up. IB is it possible that Sausage is third party based on the exact phrasing of your investigation result? (potentially survivor by the sounds of it.)"

Very much so. My result was quite specific with no room for interpretation.

"The Magic 8 ball say's....Town"

This seems contradictory... Am I reading this wrongly or are you saying that it is indeed possible that he is 3rd party only to say that the magic 8-ball says he's town and not 3rd party?

The reason I find it worth reposting is because others have stated that IB has made several ambiguous statements.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Now are we going for duel lynches?

How?

[StorrZerg]

Now are we going for duel lynches?

How?

because maybe whatsausage lied, and its a double vote today that we don't know about. (because of double votes)