[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[Falkomagno]

what is with the ES REVER statements?. I've seen it like 3 times in this game, and is not that fashionable.

[Iron Butterfly]

So while probability wise everyone has the same probability of being Town or mafia if you know a persons play style you can catch them easier. A prime example is White Rose.He was nailed his second game as mafia because he played different then he did when he was Town.

oh wise experienced holier than though ib, perhaps i posted less cos i was busier in real life, whether i was scum, town, 3p or jack in the box made no difference. I was trying to play 3 games at once and just simply did not have time to be as fully involved as the one i was lynched in......and i was only lynched cos the mods fucked up causing me to be counterclaimed.

so do us all a favour and cut the crap

It was not meant as an insult to you. Simple fact of the matter. People picked you as scum that game and they were right.

[DJPatrick]

@ Falko...
don't know if that is a satirically sarcastic question but will take it at good faith (and yes, I will cease and desist henceforth)
ESREVERSEISREVERSEREVERSED,,,Why, you may further ask,and I would answer that we have been warned to expect the unexpected yet most seem to be playing this as a straight game i.e. calling pps out on previous methods of play and/or dictating that there should be straight progression along standard Mafia Game roleplays.
I feel that many of the previous gameplay styles are well known to the Mods and they are manipulating players against each other such that even pps I have a read on as Scum are starting to actually squabble amongst themselves not just as a smoke screen...AND the Mods COULD, and already have, change direction at any time to suit themselves.
Don't really know Dakky but Streaker aka Nudieman is a great fan of The Matrix movie and we have discussed it at length during CC games in the past...
I feel we need to find our own "strings" as much as find those on the scum...
"All the world is a stage and we are but players" Shakespeare

[StorrZerg]

I wish i had a special power to just shoot people that made pointless posts. this game would be over very quick

[StorrZerg]

probably in town loss too

[PLAYER57832]

And.. I suspect the closer I (or anyone else) comes to the truth, the more likely it is that we will be killed.

The problem is, there's a lot of WIFOM involved in something like this.

Yep.

Oh, one thing about the votes-- most of us did not realize that the first vote was set/could not be changed.
per apple.. leaning toward not eating it.

[ptlowe]

I wish i had a special power to just shoot people that made pointless posts. this game would be over very quick

youd have too shoot urself for this post

[StorrZerg]

I wish i had a special power to just shoot people that made pointless posts. this game would be over very quick

youd have too shoot urself for this post

no worries i plan on leaving the game soon on my own accord anyways

[DJPatrick]

+1 for Storr's plans...
but can it be a public suicide pls rather than just slinking AWOL...
Are you this straight-laced, condesending and domineering in real life in public or only when you are playing with yourself?

[AladdinSane]

So while probability wise everyone has the same probability of being Town or mafia if you know a persons play style you can catch them easier. A prime example is White Rose.He was nailed his second game as mafia because he played different then he did when he was Town.

oh wise experienced holier than though ib, perhaps i posted less cos i was busier in real life, whether i was scum, town, 3p or jack in the box made no difference. I was trying to play 3 games at once and just simply did not have time to be as fully involved as the one i was lynched in......and i was only lynched cos the mods fucked up causing me to be counterclaimed.

so do us all a favour and cut the crap

It was not meant as an insult to you. Simple fact of the matter. People picked you as scum that game and they were right.

But TWR looked scummy in that Beginners' game we orl played in. He got NKed and flipped Town but only becorse Tim Woodbury lept up an pracktickly put teh noose around his own neck to get linched D2 (Tim flipped Town too). Dat's prob the only ting dat is slowing me down from reeding TWR as scum in dis game. Not stoping me, mind you - only slowing me down. For now, I'm taking a "wait and see" stance on TWR becorse of his ability(?) to look skummy even wen he isent.

[Ragian]

Scum Rollcall, thoughts please (from all)

Aladdin - seems annoyed to an extent where I'd presume not scum.
DJPatrick - have no idea what he's saying. I can't tell if it's scummy...
Player - sort of like aladdin, but without the post count.
CatchersMitt - flying under my radar.
Falko - hasn't really done too much and prompted others to do more. That could be scummy.
/ slash - flying under my radar.
Deg - I think town from posts and play.
White Rose - similar defensive gameplay to the game where he had doublevote. Leaning town actually.

(in rough order)

Right. Question from a player who thought he knew most of the lingo. What is scum rollcall? I presume that you want people's thoughts on all these players? Humm... seems that others indicated that one should give one's thoughts. I'm still unsure of the phrase, though. My thoughts in blue.

I'd add mets because to me it seems as if mets is taking a backseat not getting his hands dirty which I would presume of an experienced player (which I count mets as).
I'd also add IB because of things that have been mentioned earlier by myself and others, but if I repeat them without having an actual case lined up with lawyers and shit, I fear I'll get yelled at again

Had I but world enough and time... (Hopefully Sunday when grading these monster papers is over.)

lets not get on the delusional hype train and focus back to the game. ignore apples, 0 point talking

Agree. What's that miracle you're on about, son?

[AladdinSane]

Why, you may further ask,and I would answer that we have been warned to expect the unexpected yet most seem to be playing this as a straight game i.e. calling pps out on previous methods of play and/or dictating that there should be straight progression along standard Mafia Game roleplays.
I feel that many of the previous gameplay styles are well known to the Mods and they are manipulating players against each other such that even pps I have a read on as Scum are starting to actually squabble amongst themselves not just as a smoke screen...AND the Mods COULD, and already have, change direction at any time to suit themselves.

I agree. Wot we have in dis game is a higher than normal degree of unsertainty, becorse of all the insane/bastard rolls/meckaniks, and most humans arnt cumfortable wit high degrees of unsertanty. I tink the experiensed playas have been taken out of there cumfort zones and dey don't like it wun wittul bit. This discumfert with unsertanty is wot gives rise to rubbish like astrology - peeple seeing order and patturns wear thir are nun. Sum cases in point:

STORR: teh most obvius example. I went thru a faze toward teh end of D2 wen I thort Storr mite be skum an voted him. Now I am inclined to fink his ackshuns can be explained by a strong discumfort with unsertainty. Dat is wot is behind his repeeted calls for massclaim - massclaim wood reduce the level of unsertanty a lot (but wood, I beleeve, be bad fer Town).

I tink Storr is sumwun who likes to have all his ducks in a row, and dat isent hapening hear an he is geting frustrated. Note how he has tried to control how peeple post rite from the start, and keeps asking peeple fer reeds but dozent give his own reeds even wen asked repeetedly?

Den dere is teh cerkul-jerk of trust: agin, an atempt to artifishally reduce unsertanty, by trusting wen der is littul or no basis fer trust. Dis goes fer other members of teh cirkul-jerk as well (IB, PT, Wing). Dey try to cumfert demselves by invoking all dis "meta" shot an tinking dey can reed playas to a greter extent dan is worranted.

So I'm leening Town agin for Storr - I tink he is just frustrated and lost in all the unsertanty.

PT: clutches at simplistic nonsense rules like "Peeple who joke about modlinch are scum" - an atempt to impose order when dere is nun. Onvously dere is no conectshun between making a modlinch joke and alinement. Just becorse it has hapened in a cupple games is meeningless - fifty games, ok, but not just a cupple. Simply not enuf data to draw an inference like dat frum. Got Town reed on Storr - maybe sane cop, but maybe naive cop. Maybe fakeclaiming to get perteckshun, witch wood be skummy. Dis is prob a case where metadata mite help - enywun know if PT has a histery of fakeclaiming? I tink he beleeves he is Town, but mite be insane. In dis game, who knows?

WING: Wing has himself convinsed he has a grate ability to reed alinements frum a few posts, even wit playas he has never played wit before. Agin, an attempt to reduce teh perceeved level of unsertanty. Dat's why he repeetedly accuses playas but never cums up wit solid reesons why peepul shood beleeve him. Sed it meny times - he's 3P lincher. Either dat or he is Town and just trying to reduce perceeved unsertanty by convincing himself he has seen sumting in posts (mine and TWR's in partikular) dat just isent dere (witch explains why he can never suport his ackusations), or maybe playing a paranoid roll.

IB: Places grate faith in meta, and up to a point this is fine. But orl dis "I am teh voice of experiese, I play the deep inner game of Mafia" stuff just sounds a bit self-delushunol. Over reliance on meta as a way of reducing perceeved unsertanty. Overall, I'm inclined to tink he is teling the truth about teh 8-borl, but I dont have a solid reeson I can offer in suport of dat. Teh 8-borl itself tho seems unreliable - it reported Sausage as Twon when he was 3P. Leening Twon for IB.

HOWEVER: I do tink der is moor to dese guys than meets teh eye. I don't at teh moment tink they are scum, but I do tink dey are in cahoots sumhow. Dey mite have decided among demselves dat it is not in Town's best interests to reveel wot dey are reely up to - if dat is teh case, and dey are indeed Town, let's hope dey are rite. I notice that since I started pushing on dem werking together, they have started to squabble among demselves. Theater? Tine will tel, I gess.

Nice insite, DJP. How bout sum skum reeds?

[AladdinSane]

There once was a mod game here where the characters were named after the mods and some of the more infamous players on the site. I don't remember who won that game though.

You've posted just enuf to avoid getting modkilled, but you say littul of substance. It's starting too look a bit scummy. Another I wood include in this category is pancakemix. How about doing some scum hunink, guys?

I tink it is reesonable to wait until we see wot the morning brings, but after dat we reely do need to focus moor on catching scum and posting reeds SUPPORTED BY REESONS - bald statements of opinyun are next to worthless. As the bodycount mounts we are at least gaining solid informashun we can hopefully use to advantage.

22/28, a dead doc, and no dead scum is not good, peeple. At leest we havent linched any Town tho; dats a silver lining on an increesingly dark cloud. I myself will post teh rest of my curent reeds after sunup D3, if I am still alive.

Appuls? IRL wood you eat an appul posted to you by persons unknown?

[AladdinSane]

All I get is Aladdin jumping down my throat every time I do post something of substance.

Excuse me? Did you reely just post dat? I'M jumping down YORE throte evry time YOU post sumting of substanse?

You either lack self-awareness to an incredibul degree, or you are displaying a fine sense of ironic humor. I'm leening hevily toward teh former.

[AladdinSane]

There once was a mod game here where the characters were named after the mods and some of the more infamous players on the site. I don't remember who won that game though.

You've posted just enuf to avoid getting modkilled, but you say littul of substance. It's starting too look a bit scummy. Another I wood include in this category is pancakemix. How about doing some scum hunink, guys?

Virus, to.

[the white rose]

So while probability wise everyone has the same probability of being Town or mafia if you know a persons play style you can catch them easier. A prime example is White Rose.He was nailed his second game as mafia because he played different then he did when he was Town.

oh wise experienced holier than though ib, perhaps i posted less cos i was busier in real life, whether i was scum, town, 3p or jack in the box made no difference. I was trying to play 3 games at once and just simply did not have time to be as fully involved as the one i was lynched in......and i was only lynched cos the mods fucked up causing me to be counterclaimed.

so do us all a favour and cut the crap

It was not meant as an insult to you. Simple fact of the matter. People picked you as scum that game and they were right.

....and people picked me as scum in adventuretime and they were wrong,,,,,and people pick me as scum in this game and they are wrong.....in fact people pick me as scum in every game i play, so whenever i am actually scum they will be right, but hey, i am not scum in every game so most often than not they will be wrong.

[the white rose]

I wish i had a special power to just shoot people that made pointless posts. this game would be over very quick

you mean you are the one true god and have no special powers? pffft!

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

So now that we are into D3 - Modpost scene imminent hopefully - Lets look at Aladdins involvement in the two lynches.

D1 - As we saw Aladdin got overexcited by the idea of lynching non-mafia D1, and so did everything in his power to help IB push the Hotshot lynch through. He goes on and on and on about our "circle of trust" without acknowledging the "trust" he had in IB so early in the game. IB's play was bold, but it was Aladdin alone who implicitedly just accepted it.

D2 - After realising there was odd vote shenanigans going on put his perma vote on Skoffin, (for what benefit?) and finished with his acutal vote on Storr. (A player who he has constantly changed opinion on so surely not high up his lynch list?) If you open the spoiler below you will see Aladdin vote for a player he is "leaning town" for their alignment. Aladdin himself clarified to Deg that lynching is not to punish a play, but how town kills mafia.

Most of Aladdins comments about Sausage revolved around finding out Benga's investigation is right to then throw light onto IB's alignment. It was not about lynching anti-town, but about lining up a follow up lynch of IB.

Spoiler

Okay, Storr, let's do a comparison ov Ginkapo's "reeds" and my reads. here's Ginkapo's:

Mtam is town as he is nailing his reads.

Storr, pt, ib are likely town in my books.

Aladdin, white rose, deg, benga, rish, falko are all anti town.

Mitch and dj need copchecking as i will never get a good read on em.

And hear are SUM of mine:

Some thorts about other playas. There are several who have been on my radar for a while, but none of them are clear linches at this point.

...

I've alredy commented on Sausage and Skoffin in the previous post. So:

Storr: Still leaning Town, despite his seething hatred for humor in eny shape or form, and his inability to deel with my PR, but I do have concerns about his push for massclaim erlier, espeshally because I think (unless I have fergoten somting) he has yet to fullclaim himself. How about it, Storr? The result of the massclaim push seems to be just that we got a cupple erly naive claims like PTLOWE coming out as cop. Massclaim push prob had anti-Town effect overall, so I think we have to look at Storr a bit harder. On the other hand, I'm sure people will jump on me for asking Storr to fullclaim. Whatever. Storr might have good reasons for not wanting to fullclaim, and those reasons cood be pro- or anti-Town.

Mitch: Wot can I say? Prob too much of a wildcard to live, but he has already been injured and is not expected live much longer. 10/10 for being entertaining.

Metsfanmax: I don't know why but I'm not getting a Town vibe on Max. Can't put my finger on anyfink tho. Remains enigmatic / neutral for now.

TWR: Need to look over his posts again, so no verdict for now. Comes across as slightly scummy, but he did in my other game too, and he was Town their.

Benga and IB: Conflicting reports of investimagashuns on Sausage. Will suspend judgement until the Sausage lynch, assuming that happens.

PTLowe: I'm inclined to beleeve his cop claim - although I tink it was naive to claim it so erly, Have no idea about his sanity. We have had one insane cop alreddy. He cood be sane, insane, or paranoid. So far, nobody has flipped sane.

WC Ginkapo: Pretty sure he is a lincher or something. Best ignored as far as voting goes (both votes ON and votes BY), but did do good work on the VC issue. Prob believes he is pro-Town, but might not be sane.

PLAYER: Seems a bit eager to please, sumtimes. Posting enuff, but seems to just go with theh flow, which is scummy. Leaning scum, slitely.

Okay, enuf for now. Will come back and do sum moor after playing some CC moves and doing sum other stuff.

Mine are cleerly more detailed and have more supporting reesons, yet you choose to attak my reeds and just give Ginkapo a pass. Even without other evidense, this is a good sine you too are werking toggether. Time to come cleen.

I think we need to break into this group, and find out wots going on. I suspect their will be enough votes for WhatSausage, and I can always change later if necessary, so VOTE STORR.

If I've got it rite, that's a sticky vote for Skoffin and another vote for Storr.

This was Aladdin today, admitting that three of the four of us at least are likely town.

So I'm leening Town agin for Storr - I tink he is just frustrated and lost in all the unsertanty.

PT: clutches at simplistic nonsense rules like "Peeple who joke about modlinch are scum" - an atempt to impose order when dere is nun. Onvously dere is no conectshun between making a modlinch joke and alinement. Just becorse it has hapened in a cupple games is meeningless - fifty games, ok, but not just a cupple. Simply not enuf data to draw an inference like dat frum. Got Town reed on Storr - maybe sane cop, but maybe naive cop. Maybe fakeclaiming to get perteckshun, witch wood be skummy. Dis is prob a case where metadata mite help - enywun know if PT has a histery of fakeclaiming? I tink he beleeves he is Town, but mite be insane. In dis game, who knows?

WING: Sed it meny times - he's 3P lincher. Either dat or he is Town and just trying to reduce perceeved unsertanty by convincing himself he has seen sumting in posts (mine and TWR's in partikular) dat just isent dere (witch explains why he can never suport his ackusations), or maybe playing a paranoid roll.

IB: Leening Twon for IB.

Below is Aladdin yesterday accusing us all of being scum:

Wot I don't get about dis cerkul-jerk of trust - and I have asked Storr about dis awready and he failed to anser - is teh basis on witch you lot trust eech other. Sounds more like a fackshun in sekret communicashun to me, maybe even Mafia.

And Wednesday;

Wing - attack dog
Storr - the voice of "reeson" giving Town bad advice like massclaiming, backup for Wing
IB - condescending tone, fokus on undermining the credibility of perceeved threts.
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maybe

PTLowe - posibly fakeclaim cop, not sure yet.

The ridiculous part here is that Aladdin has spent most of his time discussing us four and yet regularly concedes that we are town. Its like he is afraid to actually scum hunt. Which is very odd for a player that is quite so active. Furthermore, he has been getting "rockets" from his boss, distracted by a Thai, and appears not to sleep, all to be here 24 hours a day. So we have a player who is always here, but not actually scum hunting, so the obvious conclusion is an attempt to control the town conversation and clearly not for the better.

So we have a player who jumped for joy at a non-mafia lynch target D1, voted to for a player he saw as town D2 and has consistently changed his mind on the alignment of 4 players whilst stearing clear of looking at other targets as much as possible.

[madmitch]

lets not get on the delusional hype train and focus back to the game. ignore apples, 0 point talking

This is why I voted for you and other people get upset with you, Honestly I think you are a intelligent and probably a nice person, but you are coming on to strong actually telling people what to do, for example mass claiming and now ignore the apple and other posts in this game, I hope it is the role you have and not you real life persona. Oh by the way you should of ate the apple

[rizky_biznezz]

I have yet another list. This is very interesting.

People with very mixed lectures, or neutral, or with not strong statements so far, and while active at the game somehow flying under the radar:

• Madmitch
• Rishaed
• mets
• risky biz
• ragian

to be honest even if i hadn't been crazy busy the last 3 weeks i would still find it hard to make my mind up this early with so many players and strange things going on so while yes i haven't said anything overly useful at this stage i find it strange that you are the one trying to call me out on it when you were missing for the whole of D1... i am still not sure if that was part of your role or some kind of condition or if you were just scum hiding out... so im slightly suspicious of you

[rizky_biznezz]

i couldn't make my mind up about aladdin... part of me thought he was trying to hunt and made some good points plus i figured he is really putting himself under the spotlight i would think scum wouldn't want that... however wing you make some good points this time so i am interested to see his response..

[rizky_biznezz]

is mtam still around? hasn't posted since the 16th yet survived the killing spree... maybe i missed something though

[Falkomagno]

@DJ: Thanks..it was a legit question...im afraid though that your answer is obscure to mee. I was wondering it the use of the specific word ES REVERS, and ES REVER NI, used by you, and LSU and Aladdin...it catch my attention because is very specific and I saw it 3 times during this game

I have yet another list. This is very interesting.

People with very mixed lectures, or neutral, or with not strong statements so far, and while active at the game somehow flying under the radar:

• Madmitch
• Rishaed
• mets
• risky biz
• ragian

to be honest even if i hadn't been crazy busy the last 3 weeks i would still find it hard to make my mind up this early with so many players and strange things going on so while yes i haven't said anything overly useful at this stage i find it strange that you are the one trying to call me out on it when you were missing for the whole of D1... i am still not sure if that was part of your role or some kind of condition or if you were just scum hiding out... so im slightly suspicious of you

This is to Ragian and Risky: I think is peculiar that both of you interpret this list as a calling out one. Both get a bit defensive by being in it. The point of this list is to have easily accessible a group of people that in my opinion has been there, but I dont have a clear image of what is behind, if mafia or town or 3p. While the game unveils, I will come back to this and see if there is pattern. If something, it indicated that you are playing good, and it should add Slash and White Rose to it.

[rizky_biznezz]

I don't think I was defensive i even agreed with u that I hadn't really added anything useful i was just addressing ur post and trying to explain that's all..

[ptlowe]

All I get is Aladdin jumping down my throat every time I do post something of substance.

Excuse me? Did you reely just post dat? I'M jumping down YORE throte evry time YOU post sumting of substanse?

You either lack self-awareness to an incredibul degree, or you are displaying a fine sense of ironic humor. I'm leening hevily toward teh former.

Your a moron....your death will only improve the game.