[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Either way, he may have learned from it being it was dual moderated and "approved" for benefits so I don't want to try to "break the game".

[rizky_biznezz]

While we are waiting on Aladdin's response...

Would he be given such an annoying post restriction if he were scum? It would be pretty easy to lynch him over so it put a pretty big target on him already would they give that to someone who was mafia?

[PLAYER57832]

While we are waiting on Aladdin's response...

Would he be given such an annoying post restriction if he were scum? It would be pretty easy to lynch him over so it put a pretty big target on him already would they give that to someone who was mafia?

Unless it were somehow integral to the game. I guess that is part of the question, is this just an "annoying aside" or is there a deeper purpose? If so, what would it be?

[PLAYER57832]

Also, just for the record, I let my apple lie.

[degaston]

I ate mine.

[rizky_biznezz]

I didn't eat mine

[AladdinSane]

D2 - After realising there was odd vote shenanigans going on put his perma vote on Skoffin, (for what benefit?) and finished with his acutal vote on Storr. (A player who he has constantly changed opinion on so surely not high up his lynch list?) If you open the spoiler below you will see Aladdin vote for a player he is "leaning town" for their alignment. Aladdin himself clarified to Deg that lynching is not to punish a play, but how town kills mafia.

Parte the Seconde of Three - reply to Wing (D2 vote)

I assoomed too tings about teh D2 vote, and both assumpshuns proved corect: (1) Dat there wood only be wun linch, and (2) That Sausage wood be linched (see quote below). So teh sticky vote dident matter - I put it on Skoffin, not becorse I thort dere was eny chanse she wood be linched, but becorse I hoped it wood prompt her to partisipate moor. I put teh other vote on Storr, noting tdat I cood change later to Sausage if my vote was needed. Also I dident want to vote Sausage at dat point becorse (I hope I have teh timing rite here), Storr was asking us not to hamer Sausage so as to have moor time to kwestyun him. However, I DID offer to hamer when eh time came, but Ragian got in frist.

I dident tink Storr was in eny reel danger of been linched but, even if he was, I still wood have voted him. Why? becorse 1. I was only leening Town fer Storr, even less than IB, not moor than 55/100, and 2. becorse his flip wood have given us info about PTLowe's claim dat his investimagashun showed Storr to be Town. If Storr had flipped enytink other than Town, we wood then look askanse at PT. On teh other hand, if Storr flipped Town, okay we lost another Town, but then we have wood reeson to trust PT - and having a cop whose reeds we can have a relatively high degree of trust in wood be invalubul to Town. Then, as long as we kept him safe, we wood have a way through teh maze of insanity and bastardry in which we find ourselfs enmeshed.

Well I can vet Stor's claim on being town because I investigated him last night. BTW since let's kill mafia and win and people are saying its a good idea. I am town cop. Let the claiming begin.

Expect protecting tonight.

My vote on Storr was done on the judgment that swapping a playa i rated only a 55/100 chance of been Town for either a cop whose investigashuns we can trust to a fairly high degree, or a possible Mafia or dangerous 3P (PT might flip either of these, sinse he remains untested) was a good swap. I still tink dis is teh case, but we need now to see wot D3 brings.

So, no kwestyun of voting Storr as a "punishment". I don't do dat. It was a play for informashun about the quality of PT's investimagashuns.

My strategy to win dis game fer Town curently revolves around teh folowing steps: 1. Find a cop in whose investimagashuns we can have a high degree of confidence; 2. Protect the funk out of dis cop (as a groop, not necessarily me in partikular); and 3. Use the cop's investigashuns to find and kill Mafia and other scum. So, that's a big part of why I vote as I do. HS's linch promised teh most info in dis regard on D1, and Sausage's on D2 - but, as I have explained, I woz rite behind the Sausage vote and offered to hamer but Ragian got there first.

Also, as I menshun in teh quote below, Storr's flip cood shed lite on teh other members of the cerkul jerk of trust. Dat was moor of an issue for me den than it is now, but I'll address dat in Parte The Thirde.

I think we need to break into this group, and find out wots going on. I suspect their will be enough votes for WhatSausage, and I can always change later if necessary, so VOTE STORR.

If I've got it rite, that's a sticky vote for Skoffin and another vote for Storr.

Most of Aladdins comments about Sausage revolved around finding out Benga's investigation is right to then throw light onto IB's alignment. It was not about lynching anti-town, but about lining up a follow up lynch of IB.

Yes, Sausage flip promised info on both Benga and IB/Magic 8-borl investimagashuns. Not about lining up a follow-up linch of IB UNLESS Sausage flipped Mafia or SK or sumthing ekwally evil, since M8-borl showed Sausage Town. Even den, not necessarily a linch for IB, becorse he cood have been reporting troothfully about an insane 8-borl. At leest, tho, we wood know not to trust M8-borl investimagashuns.

So, yeah, agin it is PARTLY about finding out about the kwality of investimagashuns - in dis case, Benga's and teh M8-borl's. But let's not ferget, der were other reesons for linching Sausage, witch is why there was no probrem getting teh votes: He was a sleeping god with grate powers, unlikely to be Town, and in contackt wit sum unknown groop (witch we shood not ferget about, incidently).

Whatsausage came back to me as anti-town

Benga my magic 8 ball got Town on sausage.

For clarity I asked mod if magic 8 ball works like real life...hehe random results stuff. No magic 8 ball is right.

It looks like dere is a pattern emeging: Eech day, we have wot sum wood call distrackshuns, eech of witch seem to pose a thret to Town and demand our attenshun. HS on D1, Mitch and Sausga eon D2, and now, posibly, the appuls on D3. But so far it has resulted only in 3P linches. We need to be careful not to let this continue but, at teh same time, we need to avoid wotever risks are involved in just ignoring dese threts.

[AladdinSane]

I'm godly at mafia.

No, i'm a strong candidate to die now

Also if someone wants to sacrifice themselves to bring back Marashu. That would be cool.

As your one true god, i shall bestow a miracle today

no worries i plan on leaving the game soon on my own accord anyways

eah marashu is coming back. best i can do

Does anywun else get teh feeling Storr is trying too tell us sumtink? Hear's sum idol speculashun: Maybe Storr IS a god and is planing to sacrifise hisself to bring back Marashu frum teh ded.

On teh face of it, dat looks like a good ting for Town, becorse we have seen Marashu flip Insane Cop awreddy, so we cood get him to do investimagashuns and just flip the results. Orso, we cood get Marashu's take on wot teh deel is wit Mitch claiming and den unclaiming deputy (and having acess to Marashu's N1 resolt).

So, yay if dat happens. I wood also have teh benefishal effeckt of stopping the Zergster frum calling fer massclaim evry secund post. Sewiously, sort posts by author and reed thru Storr's - I lost count of how meny times he has corled for massclaim. Of corse, if I am rite here, it provides an explanshun: Storr wants to break teh game so he don't need to do teh sacrifice ting.

If did hapens, I wood advise corshun. Given teh basterd naycha of dis game, teh mods are unlikely to make it a straitforward good ting for Town. Marashi mite or mite not have changed alinement, roll, or sanity - or orl tree. Remember teh lesson of Pet Sematery (Stephen King's mispel, not mine) - wot comes back isn't wot died.

So, yeah, good if dis hapens, but proceed wit corshun.

[madmitch]

I will be glad when D3 gets here so we can find out who is left and try to figure out who is scum?

[rizky_biznezz]

I didn't want to bring too much attention to it because if its true didn't want scum to stop any actions or kill storr so was leaving it to see what happened

[AladdinSane]

I will be glad when D3 gets here so we can find out who is left and try to figure out who is scum?

Shut up and die awreddy, Mitch We need to see wot you flip.

Tanks fer been entataining, but dont roon it by overdoing tings, you know?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I didn't want to bring too much attention to it because if its true didn't want scum to stop any actions or kill storr so was leaving it to see what happened

Storr posted after night actions deadline for a reason.

Aladdin- You also have IB also at 55-60/100. So you just admitted that you are happy to lynch of your most trusted town candidates. I rest my case.

[AladdinSane]

I didn't want to bring too much attention to it because if its true didn't want scum to stop any actions or kill storr so was leaving it to see what happened

Wot I'm curius about is why Storr felt teh need to drop so many hints? Who was he trying too communicate wit? Anyway, it was pritty dam obvius - I'm sure if we picked it up, lots of peeple wood have, so no harm dun.

But agin, why dident Storr just keep quite and do it? Why teh need to drop so many hints in public? Who was he trying to tel? Who wood gain by knowing?

[AladdinSane]

Aladdin- You also have IB also at 55-60/100. So you just admitted that you are happy to lynch of your most trusted town candidates. I rest my case.

Are you a moron? I have never said dese too are my most trusted Town candydates. Dese are teh ONLY too I have given scores on. Dey are just leening Town with such low scores. How meny times do I have to say it? Why are you been so obtuse? 55-60/100 is NOT a high-trust score.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Aladdin- You also have IB also at 55-60/100. So you just admitted that you are happy to lynch of your most trusted town candidates. I rest my case.

Are you a moron? I have never said dese too are my most trusted Town candydates. Dese are teh ONLY too I have given scores on. Dey are just leening Town with such low scores. How meny times do I have to say it? Why are you been so obtuse? 55-60/100 is NOT a high-trust score.

Who has a higher trust score in your scale?

[AladdinSane]

Aladdin- You also have IB also at 55-60/100. So you just admitted that you are happy to lynch of your most trusted town candidates. I rest my case.

Are you a moron? I have never said dese too are my most trusted Town candydates. Dese are teh ONLY too I have given scores on. Dey are just leening Town with such low scores. How meny times do I have to say it? Why are you been so obtuse? 55-60/100 is NOT a high-trust score.

Who has a higher trust score in your scale?

Wait, I have given a detailed rating of IB. I asked for yers. Where is it? You dont get to just fire questjuns at peepul and not answer dem yerself.

Now yer just been dumb. The firt quote sez we can now have moor confidence in IB; the secund sez we shoodent consider him confirmed Town. Those tings arnt contradicktory: We can have moor confidence in IB, but shoulent consider him confirmed (i.e. 100%) Town.

Do you or do you not consider IB to be town?

(Read p19, you will see my vote)

I tink dat wear you and sum other playas struggle a bit is dat you tink in very blunt, binery terms - 0/1 - True/False. I tink in "degrees of confidense". Tipically I rank playas on a 0-100 scale wear 0 = sertin scum and 100 = sertin Town. Playas only get a "0" or "100" rating wen their ded and we know fer shore wot dey were. Evrywun starts at 50 and moves up or down depending on events and their posts.

IB: Places grate faith in meta, and up to a point this is fine. But orl dis "I am teh voice of experiese, I play the deep inner game of Mafia" stuff just sounds a bit self-delushunol. Over reliance on meta as a way of reducing perceeved unsertanty. Overall, I'm inclined to tink he is teling the truth about teh 8-borl, but I dont have a solid reeson I can offer in suport of dat. Teh 8-borl itself tho seems unreliable - it reported Sausage as Twon when he was 3P. Leening Twon for IB.

As I mentioned, my rating of IB went up a bit when HS flipped. It dipped a littul when the 8-borl dident really come thru. IB's genral discusshun sees it go up a bit, but all dis cerkil jerk of truth BS wurries me a bit, so down a bit. Like I sed, "leening Town" - about 55-60/100 atm.

Now, wot is YORE current asessment of IB?

Whenever yer reddy, Wing... Include reesons, pleese.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Exactly, IB gave us Hotshot on the first day which is a move unlikely to make him anything but town. Hence he is one of my most trusted reads. I have said this before, multiple times.

Hence he is a very good benchmark on your system as he is likely one, if not most, trusted town reads.

[DJPatrick]

Will you guys just get a room???

[AladdinSane]

Exactly, IB gave us Hotshot on the first day which is a move unlikely to make him anything but town. Hence he is one of my most trusted reads. I have said this before, multiple times.

Hence he is a very good benchmark on your system as he is likely one, if not most, trusted town reads.

If he is Town, he wood also be teling teh truth about the grate danjer dat HS posed to Town, rite?

So why were you so down on teh HS linch?

Orso, I don't fink he has sed he is Town - he orways seems to qualify it, like he is "to orl intense and porpoises VT", and he wins wit Town, and so on.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Who has a higher trust score in your scale?

The Hotshot lynch was pointless. If Hotshot was truly dangerous to town then it would have been part of all our win conditions to kill him and not an exceptions. I also dont count learning about a single player to be beneficial and am permanently opposed to 3rd party lynches.

[AladdinSane]

Who has a higher trust score in your scale?

Dat can wait a bit. We need to thrash dis out, becorse you are been inconsistunt.

The Hotshot lynch was pointless. If Hotshot was truly dangerous to town then it would have been part of all our win conditions to kill him and not an exceptions.

So you dout that HS was truly dangerous to Town? But IB sed repeetedly that HS WAS dangerous to Town. And you sed you have a high degree of trust in IB. If you tink IB was rong or lying about teh danger posed by HS, why do you trust him so mutch? After all, his giving up HS was the sole reeson you cited just now for yore trust in him.

I also dont count learning about a single player to be beneficial

Dis just dozent make sense. Most investimagashuns are of a single playa. If a sane cop investimagates X and gets a result, either Town or Mafia or 3P, how is dat not benefishal to Town? By dat logic we mite as wel dispense wit cop investimagashuns altogevver.

[Ragian]

I wish i had a special power to just shoot people that made pointless posts. this game would be over very quick

you mean you are the one true god and have no special powers? pffft!

eah marashu is coming back. best i can do

Dude, don't go sacrifising yourself.

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@Aladdin,

Wing saying that lynching hotshot was pointless is not contradictory to trusting IB. He trusts IB based on IB's play (drawing attention to himself D1), not for the fact that he "delivered" hotshot.

[AladdinSane]

Also, you say teh HS linch was pointless, yet you cite teh resolts frum dis as yer reeason fer trusting IB?

We dident just lern about wun playa from the HS linch enyway. We lerned about HS, and we also lerned a littul about HB - dat at least part of what he sed about HS wozent contradicted by HS's flip.

I took dat as a sine we cood have a LITTUL moor confidents in IB, whereas you seem too have taken it as a sine we cood have a LOT more confidents in him.

FPed Ragian

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I have not been inconsistent.

Hotshot flipped as a survivor - therefore minimal threat to town. That is a FACT.

IB made a bold play D1. It is this action that makes him town and not the result. I think IB was misguided, either by misunderstanding or deliberately by the mods. I also know that IB loves lynching 3rd parties in contrast to my own beliefs.

So to be clear, I think IB was WRONG, I also think IB is town.

Peoples reactions tell us more than a cop investigation. If you are planning to wait for a cop to save the game then town will lose. Mafia is not about using roles to outplay your opponent, it is about seeing through all the crap.

Now answer the question.

Who has a higher trust score in your scale?

Rage - its a shame, but Storr is bringing back a good player with a strong role. Its the best play he can make by the sounds of it. Oh what I could have done with that role in Rish's game if Strike hadnt blown me up....

[StorrZerg]

While we are waiting on Aladdin's response...

Would he be given such an annoying post restriction if he were scum? It would be pretty easy to lynch him over so it put a pretty big target on him already would they give that to someone who was mafia?

it isn't alignment indicative. More than one person has this post restriction. Look past it, and look at the play.