[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[the white rose]

Apologies for not posting for a few days, but i have been reading and getting more and more confused about what is what, and with the deadline tomorrow, we need to make some decisions.

there is something about the lsu/storr relationship that does not seem right to me.

first i would like to ask storr some questions

1. going forward, do you have any powers to use, if so what?

2. what made you think you had to sacrifice yourself in order to save mars? ' a few choice words from the mods' is not enough, of course i cannot ask you to quote those few choice words, but you need to show me why these words led you to believe you were sacrificing yourself.

3. Knowing that roles and/or alignments could change on resurection, why did you think that losing a double doc role in exchange for an unknown life that may or may not have been town was beneficial to town?

4. You clearly said earlier that there were 2 more things that you had not revealed about your role, I am guessing that one of them is that you are scum.....care to prove me wrong?

now for LSU.

so you are an inventor....what does that mean exactly, what can you invent? how about a truth serum that you can give to all? or a working 8 ball? Clearly there are limitations as to what you can invent - what are they?

and to reiterate aladdin's question. why invent a role revealing sweater and give it to storr, who had already said was sacrificing himself to bring back mars? your previous answer of i didn't think he would die is not good enough, you asked him not to give his life for mars....therefore you showed that you did believe he would die, yet you still gave him a sweater, when there were about 20 other guys that would have been a better use for a such a sweater.

this just does not make sense.

with the deadline tomorrow there is a chance that i may not get back on to vote.

i really am leaning towards voting Storr, but did not want him lynched until he has had a fair chance to answer my questions.

so to save me from a potential mod kill for now i willvote no lynch

i realise that this may seem scummy and i defintely want to lynch someone, but just in case i mis the deadline i need to register some sort of vote. I doubt i will miss the deadline and will be back to place a final vote on my choice of scum.

[AladdinSane]

Aladdin has way too many colors/length in some of his posts. I mean its fine to post a lot, or to post a larger post, but text walls every page is really hard to process.

Well, at least bitchin about how mutch I post is a change frum peepul bitchin about my PR, so dat's a plus, I guess.

C'mon - dis is a game with 28 playas starting, and if dey orl pulled there wait, we wood be seeing a whole lot MOOR posting. Reely, sum of you need to mtfu. I post a lot becorse I am doing moor scum hunting than enywun else. Most of teh rest of you are just croozing. Storr and Wing mite look scummy as hell, but at least dey are ackively pretending to try to find scum. And don't cum at me wit day "I'm busy IRL" line - so am I, most days.

BTW, The colors are intended to make it eesier to brake up and dijest large bloks of text - trust me, it wood be harder to reed if it was orl blak.

[Ragian]

I understand that it would have killed me. Would it have killed my target?

What would paralyze have done?/quote]
No, it would have only killed you. Pawalyse was woleblocking. Wound was jailing. Also, if Benga hasn't used his thing yet, thewe's no weason for him to claim its abilities.

Besides, "woonding" isent teh same as "jailing" becorse it lacks teh pertecktive aspect (persumably).

Stop this now. I invented the damn thing. You have zewo to add.

Now, on lynching. I still feel that Falko is a good choice, but I'm going with gut feeling here because I have a very hard time keeping up with the pace of the game. I'd say that Mets also triggers my scumdar. I get the feeling that he's questioning everything not adding anything...

FP'ed by Aladdin for some reason...

[StorrZerg]

Apologies for not posting for a few days, but i have been reading and getting more and more confused about what is what, and with the deadline tomorrow, we need to make some decisions.

there is something about the lsu/storr relationship that does not seem right to me.

first i would like to ask storr some questions

1. going forward, do you have any powers to use, if so what?

2. what made you think you had to sacrifice yourself in order to save mars? ' a few choice words from the mods' is not enough, of course i cannot ask you to quote those few choice words, but you need to show me why these words led you to believe you were sacrificing yourself.

3. Knowing that roles and/or alignments could change on resurection, why did you think that losing a double doc role in exchange for an unknown life that may or may not have been town was beneficial to town?

4. You clearly said earlier that there were 2 more things that you had not revealed about your role, I am guessing that one of them is that you are scum.....care to prove me wrong?

now for LSU.

so you are an inventor....what does that mean exactly, what can you invent? how about a truth serum that you can give to all? or a working 8 ball? Clearly there are limitations as to what you can invent - what are they?

and to reiterate aladdin's question. why invent a role revealing sweater and give it to storr, who had already said was sacrificing himself to bring back mars? your previous answer of i didn't think he would die is not good enough, you asked him not to give his life for mars....therefore you showed that you did believe he would die, yet you still gave him a sweater, when there were about 20 other guys that would have been a better use for a such a sweater.

this just does not make sense.

with the deadline tomorrow there is a chance that i may not get back on to vote.

i really am leaning towards voting Storr, but did not want him lynched until he has had a fair chance to answer my questions.

so to save me from a potential mod kill for now i willvote no lynch

i realise that this may seem scummy and i defintely want to lynch someone, but just in case i mis the deadline i need to register some sort of vote. I doubt i will miss the deadline and will be back to place a final vote on my choice of scum.

1. no
2. can't.
3. I don't know this. This has never happened in a game on conquer club, so I think its an absurd idea to think of. I'm town, He was town when died. he comes back as town with his power. ffs just wait the fucking night to see.
4. the 2 things got stated. I made an attempt at a save it failed. So mafia had blocked me, used an unstoppable kill, bus driver action. Prove you wrong, look at the facts and evidence of the game. Sane cop checked me green, I brought back a town cop. That is MORE evidence than ANYONE else being town in this game.


Reasons why its dumb to lynch me.

Lynching me and me flipping town isn't going to prove marashu's alignment in aladdinsanes world. He is going to continue to flood the game with paranoia bullshit that isn't going to lead into a lynch on MAFIA. Its going to lead in a lost game because he doesn't know how to find mafia. All he knows how to do is look up a role, and see how it can be negative on some other site. Then assume those definitions apply to Conquer Club mafia. Not one game of the many on Conquer club that I'm aware of have a resurrection role bringing someone back and CHANGING their alignment.
Secondly, i was cop checked. TOWN. This isn't infallible, but out of ALL THE FUCKING ROLES KNOWN TO TOWN, I have a PROVEN role in the sense that its worked and its mod confirmed it worked, and i have a cop check against me. The world to push that im scum, gets resolved over time, If im scum then i know marashu isn't a cop now, if thats the case marashu still has to give out checks to "prove his role" This will lead to him getting caught as a liar, and myself as well. This isn't going to happen, because the world where marashu coming back as a different alignment isn't realistic

3rd. I brought back a fucking cop. Why? Because he was suppose to have a check before he died. Thats information i wanted to know. He died as town, mafia had a "reason" to kill him. And he had information about a check. Additionally, with the cop claims, mafia can't kill all the cops that quickly. I had anticipated there being 3 cops alive.

4. I practically counter claimed whatsausage to kill him. In what world as 3rd party do i risk myself on a counter claim and soft claim that i have to die and bring someone back. Additionally If i was "mafia" I don't counter claim someone that just claimed god and isn't of my party. Why? because a mafia power wouldn't be called god. It would be called something else, like whatsausage was lazy god. Mafia might of been devil god. With that said, i could infer a town god might be around, so in no world can i counter claim "god"
I had that much conviction that whatsausage wasn't townie god, because I am "town god" , I laid out the fucking case to get him lynched.

5. Stop trying to lynch someone that is playing the game, and presenting cases and town reads. You have plenty of people in this game that are slaking behind making NO effort. that will provide nothing of worth to the game. At 20 players, you can wait to see if mafia kill one of marashu/myelf.

[degaston]

VOTE Ragian

His "gift" has bothered me for a while. I received a gun with 3 settings. Paralyze, Wound & Kill, along with a cryptic note that contained an unattributed quote from Lincoln: "Force is all-conquering, but its victories are short-lived." I asked the mods, but they wouldn't give me any more information on what the settings did.
Later on, when Ragian claimed, here's what he said about it:

I received a gun on N1 that kind of turned me a into day vig, but the gun didn't work as expected, and it turned out to be one-shot.

I was wesponsible for that. Did you not wead the Lincoln quote attached to it? It wasn't a gun as such. You should think more Staw Twek: It had the oppowtunity to pawalyze, wound, and kill. Obviously, wounding wouldn't wesult in killing as the thiwd option would have been wedundant then. By wounding mitch, you jailed him. I chose you because you gave out a townie vibe D1 in my opinion. However, the kill option was a suicidal one as thewe was the possibility of me handing something to scum. Hence the Lincoln quote. I figuwed that if scum had gotten the gun, they would've use the kill option (and killed themselves in the pwocess).

N2, I gave Benga a little something-something.

So he game me the gun because he thought I was more likely town, but If I tried to kill anyone with it, I would be the one who died. If I tried to wound instead, I would end up protecting & role-blocking my target. This strikes me as a weapon that could do no real damage to scum, and was mainly designed to kill me. (Who doesn't try to kill in mafia when they have a gun?)

When I asked if the target would have been killed also, he replied:

It was a quote meant to indicate that using the kill option meant your own death. The "gun" would have exploded in your hand and killed you.

I'm hung over. Will read closer later today.

Which evaded and didn't answer my question.
Would anyone else have concluded from that quote that using it to kill would be suicidal?
And despite being hung over, he stayed on or logged in again until 8:52 without "reading closer" or providing a complete response.
So I asked a follow up question:

I understand that it would have killed me. Would it have killed my target?

What would paralyze have done?

N2, I gave Benga a little something-something.

@benga, what did you get?

Again, no response. Even though he logged in at 11:07, 1:53, and 5:49.
When he finally does respond, he seems very upset. Even though I had not accused him of anything at that point. And still, he will not answer any of the questions:

Stop this now. I invented the damn thing. You have zewo to add.

Now, on lynching. I still feel that Falko is a good choice, but I'm going with gut feeling here because I have a very hard time keeping up with the pace of the game. I'd say that Mets also triggers my scumdar. I get the feeling that he's questioning everything not adding anything...

FP'ed by Aladdin for some reason...

I find his actions to be the most blatantly scummy I've seen so far, and at this point would be happy to see him lynched. If he does turn out to be scum, then that would go a long way towards clearing Storr in my mind, because he discouraged me from killing Mitch so that I could use the kill option as a threat. I assume that if they were both scum, then Storr would have known that I would have died, and been fine with it. I think he was right when he said this:

I find it hard to see both inventors as town.

Finally, Benga was on at 7:27 last night. Neither he, nor Ragian has said what he received on N2.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Secondly, i was cop checked. TOWN.

This is the only important point right now. High chance of mislynch. Look elsewhere, restart discussion once lynch occurs.

Similar point, I have been roleblocked twice. I CANNOT have undertaken the mafia kills. Again, that alone should be enough not to lynch me today. Look elsewhere.

I suggest Dj or Falko

Fp'd has Ragian silenced Benga? When did he last post?

[StorrZerg]

unvote wing
Vote dj

[rizky_biznezz]

DJ has already said he won't be back so I didn't really want to vote him without giving him one last chance to defend or answer questions but time is running out so I will most likely switch to DJ soon..

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Has anyone managed to work out what DJ's hidden claim is? Timewise it should be near the end of N2, but for the life of me I cant find it.

He has already refused to state it in plain english.

[StorrZerg]

DJ has already said he won't be back so I didn't really want to vote him without giving him one last chance to defend or answer questions but time is running out so I will most likely switch to DJ soon..

Then ask questions. Or do something. Its b possible he won't say anything either. He isn't close to being lynched atm, with a deadline in a short while makes no sense to hold your vote

[rizky_biznezz]

I'm in the same boat as wing I didn't know what he was claiming.. I haven't found anything he has said helpful but I'm not sure if he is claiming to be important.. My vote is on falko at the moment I didn't switch it then as I wasn't sure how many votes dj was on

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Dj -6
Falko -2

I believe.

12 to lynch at the moment, though I have queried this with Dakky as it may have been affdcted by modkills.

[Metsfanmax]

I would be willing to push a Falko lynch more more than a Dj lynch. There doesn't seem to be much of a case on him other than him being not very helpful. And when those types of people are lynched, they come up disproportionately town.

[dakky21]

With 20 people alive, 11 votes is required for majority.

[AladdinSane]

Dj -6
Falko -2

I believe.

12 to lynch at the moment, though I have queried this with Dakky as it may have been affdcted by modkills.

Storr, IB, and yerself orso still have votes on you, I believe. Are you trying to manipoolate teh vote?

Mods, can we get an offishal votcount pleese?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Dj -6
Falko -2

I believe.

12 to lynch at the moment, though I have queried this with Dakky as it may have been affdcted by modkills.

Storr, IB, and yerself orso still have votes on you, I believe. Are you trying to manipoolate teh vote?

Mods, can we get an offishal votcount pleese?

See above, the cases against myself and Storr are not viable at this stage. I am manipulating to get us a lynch.

Mets - i could also go Falko, that vote against PTLowe and VT claim. Low risk, high reward.

[AladdinSane]

DJP:
As sevral peepul have pointed out, time is runing short and we need to linch. Focus seems to be terning increesingly to DJP. I've sed myself at times dat he does appear scummy, but I've orso noted dat he apeered scummy in our other game to, but was Town. TBH, at teh moment I get teh feeling he is teh eesy linch, and perhaps teh one dat peepul are most likely to reech consensis on, in teh short time avalabul. I'm not reely convinsed he is scummy enuff to deserve linching, but linching him wood be better than no linch at orl.

The most suspishus ting about him, imo, is his coyness about making a straitforward fullclaim, rather then just allooding to sum hidden softclaim he says he made.

FPed WCG - yeah I don't tink we need to linch you or Storr today. Sumwun had to lite a fire under Storr to get him to be moor forthcuming about his roll and ackshuns, tho. I orso tink I wood be more likely to vote Falko than DJP.

[degaston]

So just to be clear, everyone's okay with having two town inventors? One who gives out sweaters and magic 8-balls, and one who gives out suicide guns, and who knows what else?
Ragian has been seriously scummarining since I started this line of inquiry. He logged in again at 10:27 today, but said nothing. He knows he's been caught.

The scum are not going to help - the silence on this tells me that they want it to just be ignored. I need the townies to get behind this.
Vote Ragian

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

So just to be clear, everyone's okay with having two town inventors? One who gives out sweaters and magic 8-balls, and one who gives out suicide guns, and who knows what else?
Ragian has been seriously scummarining since I started this line of inquiry. He logged in again at 10:27 today, but said nothing. He knows he's been caught.

The scum are not going to help - the silence on this tells me that they want it to just be ignored. I need the townies to get behind this.
Vote Ragian

LSU gave a defective cop check, and a pointless self reveal. I dont he has shone himself in glory either.

My personal feeling is the deadline is too close for this.

[AladdinSane]

So just to be clear, everyone's okay with having two town inventors? One who gives out sweaters and magic 8-balls, and one who gives out suicide guns, and who knows what else?
Ragian has been seriously scummarining since I started this line of inquiry. He logged in again at 10:27 today, but said nothing. He knows he's been caught.

The scum are not going to help - the silence on this tells me that they want it to just be ignored. I need the townies to get behind this.
Vote Ragian

Ragian orso sed he sent sumtink to Benga, and Benga has been logged in today, but has not made an appeerence in teh game. Maybe Ragian's gift has sumtink to do wit dat but den, it wood have been stoopid for Ragian to announse teh gift if he ment harm to Benga. Maybe, tho, teh gift malfunkshunned, as dey orl seem to do, and Benga got acidently silensed or sumthing?

No dout teh usual suspecks will jump on me fer spekulating...

Of teh too inventers, I'm moor conserned about LSU TJ atm, fer reesons awreddy stated. Still, Deg is rite - we shood look at Ragian ferther. I don't see him as a viable D3 linch tho.

FPed WCG. Agree. We don't have time fer this now.

[benga]

Only thing I recevied was an apple like everyone else.

I investigated Rag during night and he cam back town.

Computer broke down so I am playing more or less over moblie and it's hard when you got over 100 games.

[rizky_biznezz]

@Rage what was benga supposed to get then?

[StorrZerg]

So just to be clear, everyone's okay with having two town inventors? One who gives out sweaters and magic 8-balls, and one who gives out suicide guns, and who knows what else?
Ragian has been seriously scummarining since I started this line of inquiry. He logged in again at 10:27 today, but said nothing. He knows he's been caught.

The scum are not going to help - the silence on this tells me that they want it to just be ignored. I need the townies to get behind this.
Vote Ragian

Your voting the one with a green check I can't even like a white girl right now.

[madmitch]

UNVOTE VOTE DJ Okay Storr I am going to trust you.

[rizky_biznezz]

Benga investigated at night so something could have changed his read perhaps?

I can't really see us getting enough time for this today so maybe something to look at D4..