[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[PLAYER57832]

At this point, Aladdin's reluctance has me suspicious, too. I am not worried about mitch, I think his role is to distract and confuse, likely without real alignment.

[PLAYER57832]

and I certainly respect folks wanting to go back and double check all the conversation (have done that myself), but would like some conclusion as quickly as possible, not wait until the 19th.

[CatchersMitt14]

Player has been holding out her opinions consistantly this gayme. Stating on several occasions that she doesn't want to put herself out there and express her opinion. Also cominging with short posts stating something obvious. Then once she sees a safe vote no one will question she jumps in with taht group. Sounds to me like an inexperienced mafia member following the lead.

Now she's pushing to end today earlie. Generally not a position a twonie would take. What beinifit do see for town not doing our due dilligence before we make our decision?

Vote PLAYER57832

[StorrZerg]

like the read, but the vote isn't right for today.

[rishaed]

Quick Notes: I had to send my computer into the shop, so all the notes I had written on this game are sort of gone for the next few days/ week. Hopefully this will get fixed soon, but otherwise I am sort of not able to keep up as much as I was before. This means that much of my reading will be done in bunches at irregular intervals, and I won't be able to answer questions or place results when I'd like.

[CatchersMitt14]

If we hit scum then how can you call that a wrong vote? Deg versus Wing isn't the only option. It's one option. There's no guarantee there. It's still largely based on an invention which hasn't been confirmed as reliable. If we don't lych one of them it can always be revisited tomorrow. Hopefuky with more information after seeing how niggt actions play out.

I'm not refuzzing to vote one of them today, butI am encouraging us to make a more informed dexision. There is no reason to feel as if we need to rush into this vote. I think those who have votes on Wing and pushing for someone to drop the hammer has the potential to be very telling.

There is alsoe a small part of me holding out hope Wing will shoot Mitch especially know that Mirch had turned on agreement and voted to lunch Wing.

[AladdinSane]

At this point, Aladdin's reluctance has me suspicious, too. I am not worried about mitch, I think his role is to distract and confuse, likely without real alignment.

and I certainly respect folks wanting to go back and double check all the conversation (have done that myself), but would like some conclusion as quickly as possible, not wait until the 19th.

Not reluctent, just corshus. If Wing is reely CPR Doc, it is Town's only known killing roll, and potenshally useful. On teh other hand, if he is SK it wood be a good linch. If he is lincher (dis is looking less likely now), still not a bad linch.

I want to re-reed over orl teh Wing/Deg related material, but prob wont have time today becorse Valentines

I unnerstand not good to wait toooo long, will vote on or before 16th CCT.

@CM: I have to agree wit Storr hear Player isent a vote fer today. I have been leening Town fer her today but, yeah, dis keenness to get teh hamer dropped on Wing qwikly has me slitely wurried. I notise Mets slipped quitely onto teh wagon wen hamer was geting close too...

[AladdinSane]

Player has been holding out her opinions consistantly this gayme. Stating on several occasions that she doesn't want to put herself out there and express her opinion. Also cominging with short posts stating something obvious. Then once she sees a safe vote no one will question she jumps in with taht group. Sounds to me like an inexperienced mafia member following the lead.

I tink wun ting dat speaks aginst dis is dat Player dident join teh "safe" vote aginst Falko. In fact, she complained a lot about dat linch and her vote was on Wing den too, if I remember correckly. So, her ting aginst Wing seems to have been goin on a wile.

[rizky_biznezz]

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'Wow, really'? 'Did all 28 slots get filled in this game', Streaker wondered... As he was scratching his head over and over to balance out this game... 'Ofcourse, I told you it would be popular', Dakky mentioned, as he did his very best to undo any balance Streaker tried to achieve. 'Now Now guys, you really can't have this and this in a mafia game and still call it a mafia game', Epitaph desperately tried reason. Alas, to little avail. 'May God have mercy on their souls', was the last Epitaph said as he got stabbed in the back.

Epitaph1, Mod NPC, was killed for no obvious reason.

In the meanwhile, as the players were getting ready to play this game, they felt a strange gloom descending over them.
A special effect is in play for Day 1: Lynch Majority requires 4 less votes.

Day 1 starts NOW!


You have until January 19, 07.00 CC time to reach a majority. No majority results in No Lynch, and all players who not voted at deadline will be modkilled. There will be no deviation from this rule.
With 28 alive, and the special effect, it takes 11 to lynch.

just out of curiosity any particular reason epitaph was revealed in orange or is it just coincidence that the same colour was used for him and 3rd party??
sorry if it was already discussed

[CatchersMitt14]

Player has been holding out her opinions consistantly this gayme. Stating on several occasions that she doesn't want to put herself out there and express her opinion. Also cominging with short posts stating something obvious. Then once she sees a safe vote no one will question she jumps in with taht group. Sounds to me like an inexperienced mafia member following the lead.

I tink wun ting dat speaks aginst dis is dat Player dident join teh "safe" vote aginst Falko. In fact, she complained a lot about dat linch and her vote was on Wing den too, if I remember correckly. So, her ting aginst Wing seems to have been goin on a wile.

She did jump on Wing yesterday as well. But he already had a couple other votes against him at the time so it wasn't realee a risk. ALso, there was no justification, just a vote.

Vote WingcmdrGinkapo

Then immediatly after in a second post commented about Storr seeming scummy.

Storr looking pretty scummy to me now, why else decide to lynch me, even when its pretty obvious I am town.

In fact, she even called people out after yesterday's linch for doing the sayme thing she's attempting to do today.

Well, I think its pretty clear that the folks gunning for the past few lynches are either mafia or 3rd party. I don't buy the protestations of innocence. It looks like its going to be impossible for town to win, but we should go out kicking.

I am not going to suggest a lynch right now, though.

Posted immediately after the above post. Probably looking for town credit.

note that I did NOT vote falko!

[rizky_biznezz]

Why would it take 11 to lynch?

A majority is uuslly half plus one in this case 15.

I have no problem with 11.It certainly makes forcing claims and lynching easier.

We have 9 days. Until hotshot comes fourth there really is nothing more for me to say on my role and why I claimed.

I do suggest we get a few claims before day end.

mass claiming with 22 players is stupid as shit.

First mafia can say whatever they want. We have had several cops so who is to say one or two more cant claim? Our Doc is dead but we have a cpr doc so who is to say there is not a back up doc, which COULD protect. jailer could protect ect. One could claim VT without a problem.

We get one lynch ONE. We will have no idea who or what mafia has role wise, nor other parties.

Unless there is pertinent information from someones role. Claiming helps as the game gets smaller right now we still do not know what factions we are dealing with.

I would most certainly look at those several players who wanted to lynch the inactives as possible scum.

@IB day 1 you wanted to get a few claims out but then D3 you were against claims.... you say unless there is pertinent information don't claim but you wanted claims day 1 when they wouldn't have had any info for us... can you pls clear this up for me

[rizky_biznezz]

i was attempting a re-read but there is just too much to get through.... will try and get back later

[DJPatrick]

Jesu...some weak as piss players here...lMonkey man is due for the rope...just saying!!!

[rizky_biznezz]

Looks like u will get ur wing lynch but there is still heaps of time dj so what's the rush? Im a bit worried about how quickly the votes piled on so I'm not voting yet

[PLAYER57832]

Player has been holding out her opinions consistantly this gayme. Stating on several occasions that she doesn't want to put herself out there and express her opinion. Also cominging with short posts stating something obvious. Then once she sees a safe vote no one will question she jumps in with taht group. Sounds to me like an inexperienced mafia member following the lead.

Now she's pushing to end today earlie. Generally not a position a twonie would take. What beinifit do see for town not doing our due dilligence before we make our decision?

Vote PLAYER57832

Well, this is my first game. It is seeming to lag and the discussions I am reading don't seem very productive. I feel like there are background agendas that have already decided a lot of things. if anything makes me not suspicious of wing, its that so many people have voted for the lynch so quickly, but wing was one of the 3 mentioned and I think the case against wing is stronger than any of the others.

Can I add anything? Of course not. I am not privy to any background discussions, because I am a vanilla townie. All I can know is what is posted herein. I find other people that seem to have extra information, other than things like knowing their inventions, cop investigations, etc to be suspicious. The only "outside" information I have is off-topic postings. Wing's behavior here is consistent with what I would expect. Wing came out of the gate attacking me. He is a tad "aggressive" in the forums, appears firm in his ideas there as he does here. However, I still go back to why would he attack a new player from the outset, and continue to do so?

Early on, before the falko vote was set, he wing posted a "summary" that omitted himself and a couple of other prospects with the comment "they are not viable", even though he had as many votes as anyone else at that point. How did he know so early his vote would not be viable. He might have wished it so, but to say for sure that was the case... is suspicious.

I probably should not have chosen a bastard game for my first mafia try, but I guess I did not know enough about mafia to know that was a mistake. And, maybe it wasn't. In some ways, I might be learning more about the game, all the possible roles here than I might have in a regular game. At any rate, I am here and that is that.

It does not take experience to know that losing so many townies right off the bat is bad. It does not take too much analysis to realize that there are blocks here voting. It should be pretty apparent that I am not with any of those blocks. Beyond that... not much I can say, except that I will go back and review later today and perhaps revote.

Per the speed.. I guess I don't see any real advantage in waiting. I heard a lot of that argument with falko, was not sure then. I am not sure voting early will help town, but at this point, I don't think it will hurt, either. All the investigations that can be done have been done, I don't see a lot gained from the "back and forth". No new information, just rehashing. So, I guess I am with those that just want to move the game along, for good or ill.

[PLAYER57832]

In fact, she even called people out after yesterday's linch for doing the sayme thing she's attempting to do today.

Well, I think its pretty clear that the folks gunning for the past few lynches are either mafia or 3rd party. I don't buy the protestations of innocence. It looks like its going to be impossible for town to win, but we should go out kicking.

I am not going to suggest a lynch right now, though.

Posted immediately after the above post. Probably looking for town credit.

note that I did NOT vote falko!

My suspicion of wing was his attack on me from the getgo. In retrospect, maybe that was not justification, but then I had what I can only say is a "gut feeling". He is one of the 3, I have seen no reason to firmly vote for anyone else, though I did join in with the first couple of votes. (I think).

If anyone can convince me to vote for someone else, I will consider it. Like I said above, at this point I guess I just want to move things along, as several others have mentioned. In the end, it is just a game. Sure, I like to win... anyone who has played me on the maps knows I don't give up, with VERY few exceptions. However, I don't see this as "giving up", more just prodding to take another turn. It is a gambit. Either we pick the right one of the 3 or, basically, I think we will be losing. On that I could be wrong. I am thinking there are 3 faction and even initially, that would mean we are already less than a majority -- on that I might be wrong, if anyone with more experience wants to offer correction, please do!

[rizky_biznezz]

It seems a bit suss that u make ur first detailed post after being voted for player.. U keep saying wing came out swinging for u hard I will have to go back through because thats at least the 3rd time u have said that but I recall him going hard after Aladdin more than anyone else so I will look further into it tomorrow

[Iron Butterfly]

Why would it take 11 to lynch?

A majority is uuslly half plus one in this case 15.

I have no problem with 11.It certainly makes forcing claims and lynching easier.

We have 9 days. Until hotshot comes fourth there really is nothing more for me to say on my role and why I claimed.

I do suggest we get a few claims before day end.

mass claiming with 22 players is stupid as shit.

First mafia can say whatever they want. We have had several cops so who is to say one or two more cant claim? Our Doc is dead but we have a cpr doc so who is to say there is not a back up doc, which COULD protect. jailer could protect ect. One could claim VT without a problem.

We get one lynch ONE. We will have no idea who or what mafia has role wise, nor other parties.

Unless there is pertinent information from someones role. Claiming helps as the game gets smaller right now we still do not know what factions we are dealing with.

I would most certainly look at those several players who wanted to lynch the inactives as possible scum.

@IB day 1 you wanted to get a few claims out but then D3 you were against claims.... you say unless there is pertinent information don't claim but you wanted claims day 1 when they wouldn't have had any info for us... can you pls clear this up for me

There is a huge difference between wanting a few claims and Mass Claims.

[PLAYER57832]

It seems a bit suss that u make ur first detailed post after being voted for player.. U keep saying wing came out swinging for u hard I will have to go back through because thats at least the 3rd time u have said that but I recall him going hard after Aladdin more than anyone else so I will look further into it tomorrow

He has gone more after Aladdin, but about the first post I saw after I came into the game (and I did have an initial absence due to some RL issues) was wing saying I must be guilty. Maybe, in the course of the game that is not suspicious. At the time, I thought it was a bit much. the rest of my reasons I psoted above. I just have not seen anything to change my opinion to anyone else.
That said, if the game goes how I think it will, then the decision of who to lynch has already been made. If that is so, then wing might not be the right target, but it also won't matter, because we will be sunk anyway.

so, basically, I feel that either I am correct or, if not, we are probably sunk anyway.

[PLAYER57832]

either way, I just want a resolution. This game is dragging on.

[PLAYER57832]

I'm not refuzzing to vote one of them today, butI am encouraging us to make a more informed dexision. There is no reason to feel as if we need to rush into this vote. I think those who have votes on Wing and pushing for someone to drop the hammer has the potential to be very telling.

Can you elaborate on this?
What reasons do you have for voting for others. (aside from me, of course)

[AladdinSane]

Looks like u will get ur wing lynch but there is still heaps of time dj so what's the rush? Im a bit worried about how quickly the votes piled on so I'm not voting yet

Ditto. Espeshally not voting on teh Valentine weekend, wen peepul are likely to be away. Votes did pile up qwikly, and we have Player and DJP itching to get teh hamer on. Orso, Storr hasent satisfacterily sed why he has veered so hard away frum his "Wing is SK" line of D3, wen Wing has now been named by teh alinement indikator. He shood be moor suspishus, not less, but now he is after Deg and hasent made mutch of a case fer dat. Enywun innerested can go bak and reed my long post from a few (RL) days ago, wearin I dockumented Storr's D3 push fer Wing. Dat push mite well have been a feint, to distanse himself frum Wing, sinse peeul were sayin dey were werking together. Now dat Wing looks like geting linched Storr has lost innerest.

Yeah, I know: greencheked by confirmed Sane Cop, but by now you orl shood be aware dat isent watertite, espeshally in dis game. Storr obviusly isent a linch prospekt today, but at sum point I tink peepul are going to have to take a long hard look at teh efects of his play, witch I tink has been prob. negative fer Town so far. But, time will tell. Not reely an issue fer today, just sumting to bear in mind wen interpreting events.

Rite now, I am prob. 60% Wing, 30% Deg, 10% Rish fer linch today.

[degaston]

I took a look at some voting patterns:

Voted for Falko, but not Wing:
Aladdin, Storr, Wing, rizky, benga, catchers, /

Voted for Wing, but not Falko:
degaston, PLAYER, DJPatrick, rishaed, Marashu

Voted for both:
IB, Mets, Mitch, Ragian

Voted for neither:
TWR, LSU

I'm not saying that any group is all town, or all scum, but there might be something to be learned from it.

[Iron Butterfly]

And why not Hotshot and Sausage?

Mafia would not have known the first two were third party. They just would have known they were voting someone other then mafia.

Your comparing a vote count on a lynched Vt with someone who has not been lynched.

If your putting this information up there as if it is meaningful then perhaps you think SOMTHING can be learned. Why are you asking us instead of stating your opinion.

[madmitch]

either way, I just want a resolution. This game is dragging on.

No Problem UNVOTE VOTE PLAYER57832