[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[benga]

no matter how deg annyoing is to me, i still think he is town vote rish

there are 2 inventors here and I don't believe both are insane
RAG-his inventions give true gifts, hence my vote is as mentioned
LSU-his gifts give false results, so when I investigated IB with blood on his hands, the result should read as he isn't the killer
also when investigated rizky (wanted to check my thoughts about scum trying to lynch me) and got antitown, he in fact is town

so why investigate rizky and not deg?
I had also earlier chance to do so, but seems to me waste of time to use 2 gifts on same thing
that might collide with degs lynch yesterday, but in no hell I am dropping townie just for sake of it,
especially if rish seems scummier to me

Why was I so secreative about LSU gift?
cause I couldn't not use it right away, so wanted to be able to use cop-check and be able to report the results

why not use it on LSU?
this is a bastard game, I really don't how will gifts actually work, maybe it was a planted bomb or whatever
but checking out LSU wasn't my priority here and in the end it would not help after all
and of all things he thought it would check his insanity, but this was cop check

so unless if you think I am scum, then both IB, rizky and rag are scum
what scum would really go that far to practically give up on the whole crew

if I am wrong on rish, then we lynch deg
your fault guys is that you even brought me up as a possible scum and we wasted all day convincing others that I am scum
it all started by twrs claim

yes, I make mistakes, but I stick with the things that I think are right

[Ragian]

Whatever, Aladdin.

Insanity flips results, it doesn't swap user-target.

Town:
- TWR
- Rizky

Trusted:
- Benga
- IB
- Mets

Don't know:
- Aladdin
- Mitch
- /

Suspicious:
- Deg
- Rish
- Catcher
- DJP

Deg voting Benga is enough for me. vote Deg

@Benga, while you think someone is town, you also need to work with town here. If we end up with Deg at L-1 and you have your vote on Rish, I implore you to change your vote.

[rizky_biznezz]

Im not completely against the idea of lsus inventions flipping to the user.. It is possible.. IBs 8 ball on sausage gave town reading posibly IB is town... LSU used sweater on storr and read lsus role, benga used glasses on IB possibly benga has blood on his hands, benga used blood kit got anti town which fits in with the glasses theory.. But it's a lot of possibilities and no evidence... Which brings us back to deg and rish.. Deg was close to being lynched but I can't really recall much of a case other than the invention so I will have to go back and read

[rizky_biznezz]

I am slightly less suspicious of benga though i agree if he was scum he could have told everyone I was town and got me killed or said town and followed the theory of the kit flipping to him which would have made us think it cleared him

[Ragian]

Im not completely against the idea of lsus inventions flipping to the user.. It is possible.. IBs 8 ball on sausage gave town reading posibly IB is town... LSU used sweater on storr and read lsus role, benga used glasses on IB possibly benga has blood on his hands, benga used blood kit got anti town which fits in with the glasses theory.. But it's a lot of possibilities and no evidence... Which brings us back to deg and rish.. Deg was close to being lynched but I can't really recall much of a case other than the invention so I will have to go back and read

It just doesn't make any sense to use the label "insane", then. Read about cop vs. insane cop here. If the inventions flipped the user and the target, it makes no sense to use the label "insane".

[madmitch]

Lets try this again VOTE DEG

[PLAYER57832]

UNVOTE VOTE DEG

[degaston]

deg, one you think you could do if you really believe your case that benga is scum, is to precommit that you will allow us to lynch you first over rish, if benga flips town, and precommit that you'll vote for yourself in this scenario too. If you push for a benga lynch and he flips town that doesn't prove you are scum, but it certainly updates our belief in that direction, and there remains no plausible argument that rish is a better lynch than you.

Sure, I'll take that deal. Are you now going to switch your vote to benga?

If you're scum and we're both town, then it's a two-for-one deal, and you should be eager to take it. If you're town, then you have no reason to give benga a pass on all the unhelpful things he's done, and tunnel exclusively on me. But if you and benga are both scum, then you would know that I'm town, and that I can't be sure about benga, so it should be a difficult offer to accept. But the only thing I know for sure is that lynching him won't be any worse than lynching me, and it will provide more information. If benga flips town, then rish is scum, but I don't see any way that he's going to be lynched today, so if that's the case, then we've probably lost, and it doesn't matter what happens to me then.

Of course, my agreeing to that doesn't prove anything, because I could say the same thing if I was scum. But since it looks like I'll be lynched today anyway, and on the off chance that town is still alive after that, will you agree to vote for yourself when I flip town?

BTW, the rules state that votes for yourself don't count anyway, so this is all kind of meaningless.

[degaston]

so why investigate rizky and not deg?
I had also earlier chance to do so, but seems to me waste of time to use 2 gifts on same thing
that might collide with degs lynch yesterday, but in no hell I am dropping townie just for sake of it, Can you explain what you mean by this?
especially if rish seems scummier to me

If you thought rish was scummy, then why didn't you investigate him? Getting a town result would have confirmed that Mets' theory is correct (because if mine is correct, then you will always get a scum result), and that rish was scum. We then could have lynched rish, and if he flipped town, we would know that you were lying. If you got a scum result (meaning he's town), then we could have lynched me and when I flipped town we would know that my theory was correct, and that you are scum. But because you didn't do that, we are left guessing about what the best thing to do is.

[AladdinSane]

Whatever, Aladdin.
Insanity flips results, it doesn't swap user-target.

Haven't you bin payin atenshun? Teh swetter LSU TJ gave Storr reported on teh user (LSU TJ) insted of teh target (storr). It's easier fer me to beleeve orl LSU TJ's gifts are insane in teh same way than that dey were orl insane in diffrent ways.

[Metsfanmax]

deg, one you think you could do if you really believe your case that benga is scum, is to precommit that you will allow us to lynch you first over rish, if benga flips town, and precommit that you'll vote for yourself in this scenario too. If you push for a benga lynch and he flips town that doesn't prove you are scum, but it certainly updates our belief in that direction, and there remains no plausible argument that rish is a better lynch than you.

Sure, I'll take that deal. Are you now going to switch your vote to benga?

Not just yet. But this does soften my stance towards you slightly since I wouldn't expect scum to agree with it. So for now I'll unvote.

[Iron Butterfly]

@rish: we need to know who you jailed last night. Are you the one that blocked Ragian?

Oh, since I'm demanding that, I should say I investigated benga last night, for reasons similar to what deg was arguing. No gun.

So guess it did not occur to you, or maybe it did,to check those who tried to bandwagon alladin?

Benga, if he is scum is under scrutiny to begin with and so he would be the last player on a scum team to be asked to do the kill. One could second guess it all they want...I still think it is a stupid choice.

Its like Dj is not even playing this game except to pop in and f*ck with the votes while saying shit Captain Obvious would envy saying.

Here is the obvious. There is mafia/scum between these 3 Rish, Deg, Benga on the premise that Rag is telling the truth, which I believe. If Benga is lying then Rish and Deg are Town. We have mafia in that triad. In my opinion anyways.

I think we need to also discus who outside these three is mafia. Can we make blocks to isolate them? Divide and conquer as they say.

Out of remaining 10 Mitch is either scum or third party.
Out of 9 TWR is Town
Out of 8 myself included how many scum would we have?

Do not take this post as anything writen in stone...it is more thinking out loud. I write because I do not want this day a repeat of yesterday where we get bogged down with BS about the Holy Trinity.

Personally I like Rags list...though I do not fully trust Mets as I question his choices of who to investigate, even if I was investigated and cleared. We still do not have clarity on what dictates guilt.
Though if I were to play the Mod and how this game has been constructed I found it no coincidence Rag made a gun and Mets role is to report a gun. Overall I find Mets role akin to hitting the lottery.

[Metsfanmax]

@rish: we need to know who you jailed last night. Are you the one that blocked Ragian?

Oh, since I'm demanding that, I should say I investigated benga last night, for reasons similar to what deg was arguing. No gun.

So guess it did not occur to you, or maybe it did,to check those who tried to bandwagon alladin?

Benga, if he is scum is under scrutiny to begin with and so he would be the last player on a scum team to be asked to do the kill. One could second guess it all they want...I still think it is a stupid choice.

I'm not going to play WIFOM on this. Could just as well be that benga is the most expendable if he's scum. As you say, my role is akin to hitting the lottery, so I'm not really spending a lot of time thinking about useful targets. And I would catch flak if I 'investigated' PLAYER or anyone else, because everyone's a critic. So come off it.

[Iron Butterfly]

Dude no one would argue they are skating around the edges of the game.

To my original point, who else would be scum.

DJ is top of my list.

[degaston]

Well played, scum. They nightkilled LSU and blocked me.

What did make, and who did you try to give it to?
How do you know you were blocked?

[degaston]

Rish, we need to know what you did last night.

[AladdinSane]

I'm going to go ahed and VOTE BENGA.

Reesons given in erlier post and late D5.

Orso, investimagating RB was useless. Der are plenty of other playas to investimagate, even if he dident want to investimagate Deg, esp. those who tried to form a wagon on me late D5: CM, DJP, Player - none of those tree have been investimagated at orl in teh game. About time sumwun did it. Rish wood have been another good candidate. Apart from TWR, I cant tink of enywun teh investomagashun wood have been moor wasted on.

Orso orso, wot we know fer shore about LSU TJ's gifts is dat teh swetter refleckted back on teh user. If teh others did teh same, and why woodent dey, den IB's 8-borl chek on Sausage gave a Town reeding for IB; Benga's glasses check on IB gave a bloody hands reeding on Benga, and Benga's blood test reeding on RB gave an anti-Town reed on Benga. Any wunder he is resisting dis interpretashun of LSU TJ's gifts so strenuously?

I have no probs switching to Deg to get a linch, but I do tink Benga's is a good chanse of been scum - at leest as good as Deg - and his linch will give us moor info sinse he has been teh recipient of so many gifts.

If Rish says sumtink REELY self-incriminating, I'll switch to him, of corse.

[degaston]

unvote
I think we should avoid getting anywhere close to a lynch until rish responds.
If he says that he didn't block rage, then one of them is lying.
If he did, then we need to know why.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Vote Count

Deg (3) - Rage, Mitch, Players
Benga (1) -Aladdin,
Rish (1) - Benga

8 to lynch. Deadline 11th March 14:00 CC time

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I think we should avoid getting anywhere close to a lynch until rish responds.

We are totally no where near lynch.
Mission accomplished!

Anyways just making a note that it appears that Rish was last online on the first, so we definitely shouldn't accept "didn't get anything in" as valid.

[PLAYER57832]

UNVOTE VOTE no lynch (just as a temporary hold) until I can decide what I really want to do....

I am likely going to be absent for a couple of days again, but I will be back in time to vote.

[CatchersMitt14]

Its like Dj is not even playing this game except to pop in and f*ck with the votes while saying shit Captain Obvious would envy saying.

I think we need to also discus who outside these three is mafia. Can we make blocks to isolate them? Divide and conquer as they say.

I agree with the observation on DJ and I would also add slash to this list. Player also just stops by to vote without any resoning at all but I think she isn't at the same level of unhelpfullness as the other two.

Do not take this post as anything writen in stone...it is more thinking out loud. I write because I do not want this day a repeat of yesterday where we get bogged down with BS about the Holy Trinity.

Yes! Fiannly someone else on board with discussing something other than what the alignment indicator gave us! I've been trying to get this point across for the past two days. Again, I'm not saying we HAVE to vote ouside of those three, but there are definitly things we need to observate other than them.
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Agreed, I'd like to hear what rish has to say before a lynch but so far he hasn't offered us any information.
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so why investigate rizky and not deg?
I had also earlier chance to do so, but seems to me waste of time to use 2 gifts on same thing
that might collide with degs lynch yesterday, but in no hell I am dropping townie just for sake of it,
especially if rish seems scummier to me

@benga, we were close to lunching you yesterday. Why wouldn't you use the gift to help convince us of your alignment or that one of the other two are scum? You said it seemed to be a waste to use two gifts for the same purpose but wouldn't one think that it would make it easier to convince us to lynch someone if there are two strikes against them instead of one? One possibility is that you're scum and trying to ensure the is nothing to make the voting decision easier.
vote benga

[benga]

First of all my provided info is not trusted, what would have happened if I investigated deg and rish when you guys don't trust that earlier results.

Also get your heads straight, some of you saying lsu gifts reflect on me, then I should have blood on my hands, so how come I don't have gun?

Also my 2nd investigation during night isn't trusted cause it was during night, but others were also cleared during night and they are trusted.

All I can do is get as much information as I can for town and I am doing it, it's not my fault if people keep neglecting it.

[CatchersMitt14]

Hmm, well I do think that does bring up an interesting point. If we've proven a singificant number of players in this game don't trust benga, then why would the inventor give you the gift? Why woulding they give it to someone more trusted if they are really truying to help town?

[degaston]

First of all my provided info is not trusted, what would have happened if I investigated deg and rish when you guys don't trust that earlier results.

I've already answered this a couple of times. It doesn't matter whether we believe you or not. If you had investigated either rish or me, and reported your results, we could reverse the results, and lynch the one who is indicated as scum. If that person flips scum, great. If they flip town, then you must be scum and we lynch you. If instead, we lynch you first and you flip town, then we know your investigation can be trusted, and we lynch the one who you identified as scum. No matter what happens, we are guaranteed that we at least get scum with the second lynch. (Do you understand it now, Mets?)

Also get your heads straight, some of you saying lsu gifts reflect on me, then I should have blood on my hands, so how come I don't have gun?

Again, this has already been answered. Mets claims that his investigation only returns true if he investigates someone on the night that they kill.

Also my 2nd investigation during night isn't trusted cause it was during night, but others were also cleared during night and they are trusted.

Since we've seen no indication of redirection, your investigation is not trusted because we don't know your alignment. If you flip town, or identify a scum, then your results would be trusted more.

All I can do is get as much information as I can for town and I am doing it, it's not my fault if people keep neglecting it.

We can only lynch one person each day. It didn't do any good to investigate rizky while your first accusation is still unproven.