Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[Samlen]

What Samlen added bottom p. 12 doesn't really do anything either. Still peaks my scumdar. Nothing added yet. Wing agrees here.

In all seriousness though, I am willing to bet that Masket isn't even a trainer. He's a pokemon willing to sacrifice himself so that his trainer can find all the other trainers.

Uhmmmmmm... This just jumped out at me and slapped me in the face...

So are you saying that you are a POkemon who knows who his trainer is? Because that is what you imply... Are you assuming ALL Pokemon have already "been caught" and are under a Trainer? Does the Trainer control their night actions? This would give us the idea that each Trainer is like a Cult leader, which is what I already had kind of assumed. What about free Pokemon?

I just say all of this, because your quote implies several of these ideas and I can tell you that your assumption does not line up with my character at all. And I doubt I can be the only one who is puzzled by this idea.

My quote that "doesn't really do anything either" at the bottom of p.12 was mentioning how in the day 1 post Mandy mentions that each of the trainers start off with a starter pokemon.
Anark just pointed out Doom seems to be a pokemon that knows his trainer, which just proves my theory correct. If we were to go back through this day, we could possibly find other pokemon/trainer pairings since Doom has kindly let us know that said starter pokemon DO know their trainer today.

unvote...ugh...had forgotten Legionnare's vote on madmitch. That actually made sense.

Maybe the reason I don't get the point, Tala, is that I know next to nothing about Pokemon. I'm just trying to find scum here.

From what I've seen so far - and I do not claim my findings to exclude other or, for that matter, better findings - Legionnare stood out to me as someone trying to appear active without wanting to commit to a case. Now, he's voted. Voting is important. It creates patterns.

Samlen's vote, however, doesn't really sit right with me. He says a bunch of stuff about others, but then he votes mitch. I never got why the vote was left on mitch rather than the ones being commented. Especially Exiled. Easy way out? Care to comment, Samlen?

[spoiler]

So it seems the *main* reason people are still voting minister is because.... he slipped that he's a trainer? That seems highly illogicial considering the evidence that we have that at some/most trainers are townsided...
I believe that most, or even all, of the people voting Minister right now are either another trainer trying to eliminate competition, or scum also trying to eliminate competition.
Out of all the people voting him, Madmitch certainly has the least concrete of reasons by blatantly bandwagoning, so he will be earning my vote. I'd keep an eye on the others voting him too, since they could just as easily be scum.

FIrst things first. There are generally two major scumfails day 1.

The first is those who know a lot D1 about the mechanics of the game. Samlem falls into this category in this game. He claims to have pieced it together on conjecture alone, but somehow made quite a few leaps of logic. Scum tend to know a lot more D1 than others due to more informative role descriptions.

Unrelated pet peeve: My name ends with N not M =P

The post you are refering too I explained how I got to those conclusions... if you need me to go step by step and quote by quote how I reached that conclusion, then sure, I can do that.
I'm going to point out that other people came up with similar conlusions/agreed because it makes sense.

I gotta agree with Tim here, Nark. it dopes come across as you trying to say "hey, maybe i'm a trainer too" to MM with that comment. Which in turns make you ssupicious, because I'm wondering if the trainer deal is that they are actually cult or recruiting masons and they can "catch" (recruit) the pokemon in the night phase? And they have to kill the other trainers to win the game (i.e outcompete the others) - seems like the sort of mad stuff Mandy would do.

Aggressive players are great for town, since they tend to force players slip up and make mistakes, but I haven't seen a properly logical accusation from you yet.
They just seem to be attempts to start bandwagons, which is just plain dangerous. If it weren't for the fact that Mitch is playing scummier, I'd be voting you for said reasons.

And finally Vote Madmitch

[/spoiler]

Topped with what I found to be a tendency to comment, not commit, I'll vote Samlen

Something else - although in the same vein - struck me. Last game, Marashu was really helpful clearing up things about the flavour, and I believe he turned out to be a baddie. This game I get the same feeling. Am I remembering that correctly?

Now onto this. Did you even READ what my post was about? Like seriously I gave my reasoning for my vote and for my quotes IN the post.
I quoted Exile to prove my point to wing that other people had come up with similar-ish ideas.
I quoted Wing partially to point out it's samleN not samleM, but also as part of my response to him once again assuming I was drawing conclusions out of thin air.
I'm going to bold the part that warranted my vote, if you please actually read that.

[Fircoal]

So far, I'm liking BuJ, Wing, and Fircoal (though I'm not convinced about his claim to being the most knowledgeable about pokemon ). I find this mitchwagon interesting - Tim and mitch are both rather erratic players, but it was interesting that there seemed to be a bit of resistance to the case on Tim, while mitch has had 4 votes in the last 3 hours. That said, I'm usually ok with either of them being lynched D1 and this is no exception.

PArt of it is timing and part is that at least for me I'm unfamiliar with the new player meta. I caught wind from what I heard that dakky and tim were always like this, (I also noticed Dakky's record of getting lynched early when browsing before the game started.) while I haven't heard the same about Madmitch. Furthermore it feels like Dakky and Tim are more willing to stick their necks out and bring stuff to the table, even if that stuff seems scummy. Meanwhile Mitch's best contribution was a bunch of questions that only relate to the theme, (and trying to blame the theme on why he can't scum hunt.)

So it seems the *main* reason people are still voting minister is because.... he slipped that he's a trainer? That seems highly illogicial considering the evidence that we have that at some/most trainers are townsided...
I believe that most, or even all, of the people voting Minister right now are either another trainer trying to eliminate competition, or scum also trying to eliminate competition.
Out of all the people voting him, Madmitch certainly has the least concrete of reasons by blatantly bandwagoning, so he will be earning my vote. I'd keep an eye on the others voting him too, since they could just as easily be scum.

What part of all role claims are suicidal don't you understand?

How does that relate to the quoted post? MM didn't role claim, he roll hinted. Because if it's going to blow up on him why don't we let it blow up on him? We don't need to rush it and make sure it blows up on him.

Giovanni most definetly is a trainer. In both the anime and in the games he was a gym leader. A strong one too. Yes he had lackies to do his work for him but he certainly was a trainer too.

I know where you're coming from, but really, look at the guy. Can you really see him out in the field getting his Meowth/Persian from level 5 to 50 or wherever like the kid trainers?
I know the evidence has drifted away from it in recent years but I used to be a fan of the him being Ash's father theory.

Yes, yes I can. I imagine he did that stuff before he became the head boss. I mean it's not like he became the leader of a villianous organision on a Lv. 5 Meowth.

I know I'm going to risk an OMGUS (funny how I remember that of all things) swipe but Vote Exile for foolishly assuming that all trainers will be scum when it flies in the face of the theme.

I want to make clear it's not cause you voted me, otherwise I could have just have easily gone for Nark or madmitch.
Logically I should be going for madmitch since he's the only one close to me in votes - and a rival "MM" to boot, can't be having that - but I can't ignore weak logic like that to justice hopping on my bandwagon.

Logically you should be either voting someone because you suspect them of being scum and are trying to get them lynched or to do some funny stuff to try to out scum. There's no one that you should be voting just because. The way you phrase this amkes it looks like you're too overly conserned with how you look like according to the town. While it is understandable as the fires seem to be encroching onto you but at the same time, vote with your logic and double down onto it. IF you think Exile is the one to vote, make the case about him. Saying about how you should be voting these other people makes you look more scummy.

I know I'm going to risk an OMGUS (funny how I remember that of all things) swipe but Vote Exile for foolishly assuming that all trainers will be scum when it flies in the face of the theme.

Can you name one Pokemon game where not every trainer is a piece of scum in both the literal and figurative sense?

Every single one.

I do not believe for a second that these trainers are going to be scum. In all Pokemon media, the trainers started off by the local Professor are the protagonists. Whichever 'Team' is present is the antagonists. It's not a very complex plot. That's just how it is.

So now you want us all believing that there are good and bad pokemon. The bad being not town aligned? I thought pokemon were in the wild and didn't really talk to each other or conspire in groups? I looked through wiki and can't find evidence of a pokemon animal group out to destroy things. I certainly don't understand how they are all going to get together without a trainer. It almost sounds like you made this statement in a way to completely pacify the rest of us into thinking you have to be town. I looked into team rocket as well and Chu is correct their ages were never given. In the game originally they were set to be around the same age as Ash and the rest and both the main characters dropped out of school and joined Team Rocket eventually...so I see no reason why they can't be considered kids from Professor what's his face.

The trainer slip, the trying to convince us pokemon are town and mafia aligned, and now trying to convince the rest of us all the trainers must be good is just too much for me to buy day 1. You are hiding something, or not hiding something very badly. Either way, you get my vote.

Unvote

Vote Minister Masket

He's not wrong though. Any Pokemon owned by Team Rocket will be scum. Wild Pokemon will likely be 3rd party while the rest of the Pokemon will be allied with trainers. I don't get why MM is getting so much flak for pointing out that there are good and bad trainers. It's true. (and yes I do agree he's been trying to push too much on there's mainly good trainers but I don't think he's exactly wrong. It's hard to tell the details of the town make up but I am sure there will be some good trainers and some bad trainers.)


From my experience with MM his general skill at digging himself into holes isn't unexpected here. I don't feel like anything here is out of the normal from him and while I do think that he is doing some scummy things, (like trying too hard to manipulate the supposed factors of game in his favor), I also feel like the arguers against him are doing the same thing.

Because the post was made earlier, but talk of it just arose in the last page or two, I will still mention TWO's long post. I felt that it was an alright post, unlike ragian, because he recapped and gave his opinions on just about all the relevant happenings, nothing wrong there and I didn't see anything that would point to a slip there. The only thing I felt off about is that after recapping the scummy/interesting/whatever qualifications he was using to quote everyone, he didn't vote anyone, rather unvoted. I felt like he should at least go after a case if he was going to go to the trouble of posting all his thoughts, but it seems he had no thought on who scum is at that point. So it seemed off to me too, but in a different way, and not enough for me to even FOS him, just enough for a mention. Better cases are present in my opinion.

But there's nothing wrong with that? It's good to see people's thought processes even if they don't lead anywhere. If we only posted what we thought would corner the scum there would be a lot less posts and that wouldn't be good for the town at all. I recommend posting everything that comes to mind. It's what I do, which why most of my posts have been giant quote fest posts. x3

[Fircoal]

Vote count:

spurgistan (1) - Tim

kwanton (1) - kwanton

Strike wolf (1) - Mets

Tim (2) - new guy, Wing

Fircoal (1) - Skoffin

Anark (2) - Hotshot, Strike

Wing (2) - Ragian, TWO

Minister Masket (8) - madmitch, Fircoal, Yoshi, Serbia, Anark, Exile,Talapus, BuJaber

BuJaber (1) - spurgistan

Mitch (5) - Nagerous, Fircoal, dakky, legionnare, Samlen

Exile (1) - Masket

26 alive, 14 to lynch

I'm not voting Masket, Mandy. My vote is on Mitch, sadly I don't get to have two votes. But if I did the other would be on you anyways. ;3

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Despite everything, I have an unexpected first read.

Anark is town.

A shocker I know.

[Ragian]

I will still mention TWO's long post. I felt that it was an alright post, unlike ragian, because he recapped and gave his opinions on just about all the relevant happenings, nothing wrong there and I didn't see anything that would point to a slip there. The only thing I felt off about is that after recapping the scummy/interesting/whatever qualifications he was using to quote everyone, he didn't vote anyone, rather unvoted.

This is exactlt like Ragian, though. Perhaps I didn't communicate it well enough, but my point was precisely that he said a lot of good things and then didn't vote. He voted the next page, though.

Ruh roh, Samlen got his knickers in a twist. Yes, I did READ it. I presume your emphasis on READ is a passive-aggressive way of indicating that you think otherwise. You can just use real words, mate. I READ it and found it worth a vote, but I'll reREAD it tomorrow with a fresh pair of eyes and see if I READ too much into it. Hit a nerve at least. And get over people not getting your name right. I'm Raigan, Ragan, and what not the entire time. Rage for short

@Wing, thoughts on Samlen? If you're still up...

[BuJaber]

First of all did Kwanton really vote for himself? and if so... why the hell is he still on a joke vote?

Despite everything, I have an unexpected first read.

Anark is town.

A shocker I know.

Wing your posts are so fun to read... Why would you say that? & Why now? This just makes both of you look more scummy.


I feel that Serbia is scumarining. Possibly Metsfan also.

Ragian - Marashu was third party last game. I reckon your thought about him is still worth noting. Too much flavor talk is better for scum than it is for town. Also what did you mean by "this is exactly like Ragian"? did you accidentally type your name?

[Samlen]

I will still mention TWO's long post. I felt that it was an alright post, unlike ragian, because he recapped and gave his opinions on just about all the relevant happenings, nothing wrong there and I didn't see anything that would point to a slip there. The only thing I felt off about is that after recapping the scummy/interesting/whatever qualifications he was using to quote everyone, he didn't vote anyone, rather unvoted.

This is exactlt like Ragian, though. Perhaps I didn't communicate it well enough, but my point was precisely that he said a lot of good things and then didn't vote. He voted the next page, though.

Ruh roh, Samlen got his knickers in a twist. Yes, I did READ it. I presume your emphasis on READ is a passive-aggressive way of indicating that you think otherwise. You can just use real words, mate. I READ it and found it worth a vote, but I'll reREAD it tomorrow with a fresh pair of eyes and see if I READ too much into it. Hit a nerve at least. And get over people not getting your name right. I'm Raigan, Ragan, and what not the entire time. Rage for short

@Wing, thoughts on Samlen? If you're still up...

I gotta admit, it is frustrating when people ask questions about stuff that is right there already.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Rage. I have already commented on Samlen, he knows too much.

@Bujaber. Yes, me and Anark are scum buddies. We have agreed that he would act like an idiot and I would lambast him for it. I am also scumbuddies with Nagerious. We have the same arrangement.

I posted that because its important. If I give my reasoning then it ruins the point. Anarks posts contain something that he can only know as town.

[Ragian]

Ragian - Marashu was third party last game. I reckon your thought about him is still worth noting. Too much flavor talk is better for scum than it is for town. Also what did you mean by "this is exactly like Ragian"? did you accidentally type your name?

No, I meant that he typed, "Unlike Ragian," and then came to the exact same conclusion as me.

@Samlen, I hear your frustration. I may have missed something. I'll make sure to be on my best reading behaviour tomorrow (when I actually have a decent amount of time).

@Wing, humm...seems I missing several things, then. I'll reasses tomorrow.

[dakky21]

Anarks posts contain something that he can only know as town.

I'm wondering how do YOU know it is town vs. scum?

[DoomYoshi]

In all seriousness though, I am willing to bet that Masket isn't even a trainer. He's a pokemon willing to sacrifice himself so that his trainer can find all the other trainers.

Uhmmmmmm... This just jumped out at me and slapped me in the face...

So are you saying that you are a POkemon who knows who his trainer is? Because that is what you imply... Are you assuming ALL Pokemon have already "been caught" and are under a Trainer? Does the Trainer control their night actions? This would give us the idea that each Trainer is like a Cult leader, which is what I already had kind of assumed. What about free Pokemon?

I just say all of this, because your quote implies several of these ideas and I can tell you that your assumption does not line up with my character at all. And I doubt I can be the only one who is puzzled by this idea.

It does imply several of those ideas, but they aren't my ideas. They come from flavor spec already in the thread.

[Anarkistsdream]

Anark just pointed out Doom seems to be a pokemon that knows his trainer, which just proves my theory correct. If we were to go back through this day, we could possibly find other pokemon/trainer pairings since Doom has kindly let us know that said starter pokemon DO know their trainer today.

I went back and read what you wrote... I can only say that I agree with you, and I apologize that I didn't notice this sooner. I believe that, if you were scum, you would not have agreed with me just now, so I have to think you are someone I can trust, even if you DO have different win conditions than me... It is also surprising that no one else has agreed, as our roles and win conditions should be held by multiple characters, not just one or two...

I will say this... Either a "cult," i.e. trainer, will be coming after me tonight or else scum will come for me... As someone who is more active than many others, if players really believe I am town, or "good-aligned," please do what you can to save me.

I just say all of this, because your quote implies several of these ideas and I can tell you that your assumption does not line up with my character at all. And I doubt I can be the only one who is puzzled by this idea.

It does imply several of those ideas, but they aren't my ideas. They come from flavor spec already in the thread.

So you have nothing to add? You are better than that... Expound, damn you!

Anarks posts contain something that he can only know as town.

I'm wondering how do YOU know it is town vs. scum?

Ummm, is that what he said? He said it was something only town would know, and I know EXACTLY what he means, and I assume other players do too... Why are you putting words in his mouth? By all means, try to say that he and I are scum buddies... He saw something that made sense that will make sense to OTHER PLAYERS... The fact that you aren't one of them worries me... Are you a claimed Pokemon or a trainer? Or are you just plain scum?

I feel that Serbia is scumarining. Possibly Metsfan also.

Ragian - Marashu was third party last game. I reckon your thought about him is still worth noting. Too much flavor talk is better for scum than it is for town. Also what did you mean by "this is exactly like Ragian"? did you accidentally type your name?

Excellent points. However, if I answer your question as to how Wing figured it out, I would be posting blatant facts that anybody else in his and I's position already knows... Again, I state, there are other players who have the same text, win condition, etc. that apparently he and I do... And, if you look at what I have questioned others about, you should be able to piece it together...

Despite everything, I have an unexpected first read.

Anark is town.

A shocker I know.

And that let's me know there are more than a few players who should know the same thing...

[kwanton]

First of all did Kwanton really vote for himself? and if so... why the hell is he still on a joke vote?

Yeah. I do that every game. It's my thing. Ask the other vets.

unvote



vote kwanton

[dakky21]

Anarks posts contain something that he can only know as town.

I'm wondering how do YOU know it is town vs. scum?

Ummm, is that what he said? He said it was something only town would know, and I know EXACTLY what he means, and I assume other players do too... Why are you putting words in his mouth? By all means, try to say that he and I are scum buddies... He saw something that made sense that will make sense to OTHER PLAYERS... The fact that you aren't one of them worries me... Are you a claimed Pokemon or a trainer? Or are you just plain scum?

I wonder again how EXACTLY you know what he means, and how EXACTLY you know it is town vs. scum, as I asked already. Now say I'm putting words into your mouth too.

[Anarkistsdream]

Anarks posts contain something that he can only know as town.

I'm wondering how do YOU know it is town vs. scum?

Ummm, is that what he said? He said it was something only town would know, and I know EXACTLY what he means, and I assume other players do too... Why are you putting words in his mouth? By all means, try to say that he and I are scum buddies... He saw something that made sense that will make sense to OTHER PLAYERS... The fact that you aren't one of them worries me... Are you a claimed Pokemon or a trainer? Or are you just plain scum?

I wonder again how EXACTLY you know what he means, and how EXACTLY you know it is town vs. scum, as I asked already. Now say I'm putting words into your mouth too.

Did you get a role? Because the other 25 players did... And they are all written out the SAME! Good lord, man...

[new guy1]

Don’t know what to think about the anarkist case. I’m trying to think of any typo that would make sense as to what he was saying besides the one that has been pointed out already, meant they not we. I have had weird auto corrects before, but usually the words are the to they (why auto correct corrects correct words boggles my mind). It looks scummy to me, more so then being an auto correct issue. As many have said, I don’t want to build a case on a typo, so I’ll let it be noted.


Will state to clear it up, while I don’t necessarily have a town read on MM, I don’t think that what he said warrants votes, I think he actually is a trainer, rather than scum trying to blend with the normal trainers, because claims are suicidal. Seems to me many if not all trainers are 3rd party simply because people aren’t getting voted for suggesting the possibility, so claiming to be one only attracts attention from other trainers, regardless of alignment. Same would be true, provided the above is true, with Pokemon, whether the Pokemon are all with trainers (good or bad), there is a split in Wild and trained, or all are wild. If I need to explain more, I can try but I think I broke it down well enough for someone to get it. MM’s post is a slip that he’s trainer, not a clever plan to plant that he is a trainer while being scum, it would only put a target on his back.


I could see a case on mitch at this point, having all of his posts in front of me, it seems that not only do they seem scummy, they also appear to be lacking in any substance at all. The only reason I am at all reluctant is because he has a meta of being D1 lynch candidate because of this kind of stuff. I don’t know whether his behavior really is just his normal self or if this is more careless than normal, but with my next favored cases being Tim and anarkist (though I don’t feel strongly enough about it to vote on this one, it’s mostly between Tim and Mitch), I feel compelled to switch my vote over to Mitch, but I feel just as confident in the Tim case, and feel justified in keeping my vote there as well.


@Fircoal, I can see what you mean by not being required to throw your vote every time you make a new post, it’s that his indecision for any case at all this late in the day doesn’t advance the day anywhere, and as has been mentioned by someone else, it doesn’t let the more vigilant players observe their voting patterns.


I might have missed the post incriminating WCG, but I don’t really think his play is scummy, he seems like an angry towny, like the last game I was in with him.


@Ragian, my mistake, on reread, it is clear that you and I were agreeing, it was my mistake. When I went to post it, I remembered it incorrectly and was unable to correct it due to time restraints. I retract that we were in disagreement, still think the lack of a vote was scummy.


@Anark, you may not be getting responses because role claims are suicidal (I feel like that has been in my messages so many times, but that’s a lot of what’s governing the game so it can be stated multiple times), but a similar line of thought is the reason I’m staying on Tim. My PM has answered one of the questions he had, which lets me know he didn’t get the same type role as I did. It makes me wonder who else got an answer to his question. Sure it’s not condemning evidence, but it’s one of the stronger day one cases that I agree with because of the stated circumstances.


This post took about an hour to type, so some thoughts may seem detracted from others, just to make sure you can note the tone changes, if any. I apologize for the walls of text, and will try to keep up better as to prevent any more of them.

[Serbia]

I'm going to start with an UNVOTE.

This day is getting more interesting. Firstly, 'Nark and Wing, despite their fighting, have picked up on something. They could be acting as scum buddies, as Wing sarcastically admitted, but I don't see that.

The Masket arc is still suspicious partly because I just don't know this setup. But from what I'm reading within here, there are thoughts that the majority of the trainers won't be scum, which would make sense. Also, it would be more likely for a townie to slip up and claim than for a scummer to slip up and claim, particularly this early.

Mets has been silent. mitch still looks scummy. Tim has been active, drawing attention to himself, but I don't know if that's just his way or not. However, I tend to agree with new guy - Tim's instant questioning of Team Rocket, then backing off, still feels scummiest to me. dakky mentions Rocket, Tim immediately says "hey why do you think Rocket would be here?!", then walks it back, perhaps realizing that it was a mistake?

Masket made an inadvisable soft claim. All claims are suicidal, but especially stupid for scum, who would have to know better. Tim reacted to a mention of scum faction, then tried to leave it alone. That's scummy.

VOTE: Timmy

was fp by new guy.

[dakky21]

Anarks posts contain something that he can only know as town.

I'm wondering how do YOU know it is town vs. scum?

Ummm, is that what he said? He said it was something only town would know, and I know EXACTLY what he means, and I assume other players do too... Why are you putting words in his mouth? By all means, try to say that he and I are scum buddies... He saw something that made sense that will make sense to OTHER PLAYERS... The fact that you aren't one of them worries me... Are you a claimed Pokemon or a trainer? Or are you just plain scum?

I wonder again how EXACTLY you know what he means, and how EXACTLY you know it is town vs. scum, as I asked already. Now say I'm putting words into your mouth too.

Did you get a role? Because the other 25 players did... And they are all written out the SAME! Good lord, man...

Sorry for multi quoting but... yes, I did get a role and it doesn't say anywhere town or scum or mafia. So if other 25 players got a role which specifically says town and scum, then I must be something extraordinary.

I think you're lying here, especially fishing about my role...

[DoomYoshi]

Since when is third party survivor a town role?

[Skittles!]

ADDITIONAL INFO ABOUT POKEMON FIGHTS (to be updated as necessary)

1. Each time a pokemon levels up, he or she is completely healed.

2. Leveling and awarding perks after leveling takes place AFTER all the Night's actions have been resolved. So, if you level up, you will be healed after the night ends. If you survive, that is.

3. I will send you your Nightly feedbacks, AFTER I post the Day-scene, possibly over a Day or two, depending on how busy I am in RL. The point of this is to save time and shorten the Nights.

The order in which I send feedbacks is going to be serpentine, meaning that on Night 1, dakky receives his feedback (if any), first and Kwanton receives his (if any) last; on the Night 2 Kwanton receives his (if any) first and so forth.

4. TRAINERS: If you are controlling a big pokemon, you may not order it to eat a little pokemon. Let's keep it clean out there.

Upon re-reading the rules, it's super apparent that Trainers are cult-like roles with power over either 1 or maybe even more Pokemon. This concerns me, as it's known that trainers just want to kill other trainers, and if we don't know what their recruiting capabilities are, it could hurt the town. However, I do think they are more town friendly than the mafia are. But if you aren't pro-town in the start then you're against town. In this regards, there have been two slips with trainer roles - MM and Anark (correct me if I'm wrong).

[The Weird One]

Quick post, for now...I'll try to post something of substance, tomorrow...just got done with one 12 hour shift and have another on the morrow...kindnda semiconscious at present. Moving past my excuses, though, while there were points brought up against madmitch in particular, and against a few others as well, none of it seems to be solid enough to get me to change my vote. I'm kinda fuzzy on the samlet wagon, but that should make sense with a reread, tomorrow...One final thought before I keel over and pass out, though is legionaire: He seems to only post after people bring up his inactivity and/or vote him...then posts nothing of any real content. As for newguy's point that my rendition of war and peace didn't include a vote: when I finished writing that, I could hardly remember what I had typed two lines before...I didn't trust myself to vote out of reasoning, at that time, and I followed it up when I was awake with a vote...as I said I would at the end of that post.

[new guy1]

Quick post, for now...I'll try to post something of substance, tomorrow...just got done with one 12 hour shift and have another on the morrow...kindnda semiconscious at present. Moving past my excuses, though, while there were points brought up against madmitch in particular, and against a few others as well, none of it seems to be solid enough to get me to change my vote. I'm kinda fuzzy on the samlet wagon, but that should make sense with a reread, tomorrow...One final thought before I keel over and pass out, though is legionaire: He seems to only post after people bring up his inactivity and/or vote him...then posts nothing of any real content. As for newguy's point that my rendition of war and peace didn't include a vote: when I finished writing that, I could hardly remember what I had typed two lines before...I didn't trust myself to vote out of reasoning, at that time, and I followed it up when I was awake with a vote...as I said I would at the end of that post.

There were so many pages that I had to read through, I just went back and it was such a short post that I must have missed it when collecting the quotes I was responding to. Thank you for pointing it out to me again.

[HotShot53]

I don't see what the big case on Masket is, to make him have the most votes.... it seems most people say they are voting him because of his soft claim of being a trainer... but when most trainers are probably more town aligned than scum, that doesn't make sense to me.

As for Mitch & Tim, I don't like voting them on day 1's anymore, as they always say things that most people think is a bit scummy, and it's usually an easy case for the real scum to make (I've done it myself before in prior games).

Unfortunately, even though I will unvote, I don't see anyone else worthy of a vote right now. I will re-read everyone's votes on Masket, Mitch and Tim tomorrow, because my guess is some scum are on those cases.

[strike wolf]

Sorry. Meant to get on yesterday but got side tracked.

A bit hypocritical for me to say as one of the former essay kings but I am a bit uncomfortable with the number of book report type posts in this thread that despite length either come to the same conclusions or no conclusion at all. Then there is nag who broke his post into smaller pieces and concluded it by voting a safe target in an inactive.

Would agree on Mets seeming a bit quiet.

Posting now before my comp shuts down. Be back when it reboots.

[strike wolf]

Continuing:

I think Serbia has been more active than whoever it was who said he was quiet thinks. He's not the most active but he's better than a lot (including myself) in this game. The only thing that really stood out to me about him was his position on the Tim vs Dakky argument and him reversing his position on Dakky Vs Tim. Cant quite tell if it is flip flopping or legitimate confusion on his part.

Mitch is Mitch. My position is basically the same as Hotshot's on this matter. I have no legitimate objection to the lynch but I don't really plan on pushing for it either with the information we have now.

Now someone who is not making mega posts but I feel is a bit sparse in content: Kwanton:

vote kwan

[Bugcatcher Kwanton wants to battle!]

[Send out Pikachu?]

[Yes]

Go Pikachu! Use Thunderbolt on Kwanton!

[It's super eff-]

Oh uhh...ahem...excuse me...

Vote Kwanton because he voted himself and that's always suspicious.

Where was Pokemon roles mentioned? I assumed it would all be trainers. Then again my memory of the Indigo series is very fuzzy. I know there've been loads of trainers introduced over the years but perhaps there weren't that many way back then.

First, I hate bugs. Second, voting for me is a scum tell so im gonna add you to my FOS list.

I'm kinda confused if that was a role claim or not, but even if it wasn't, asking about roles like that seems like fishing for information.

EBWOP

Mandy, you shouldn't have to EBWOP. Mods are above the rules! (and it makes the thread look cleaner)

Maybe my comment was a slip-up but I was only referencing the role talks from a couple pages before. Honestly I don't mind making myself a night-time target possibility because there's so much ambiguity on roles / night actions at this early stage that it's almost impossible to predict what will happen. It sure beats being the Day 1 Lynchee.
A good Town Doc player watching closely combined with some daring posting can be effective in screwing over early game Scum plans.

IIRC Mandy said he was gonna try and not do many of the classic mafia roles. I wouldn't bank on a doc.

EBWOP

#3 under updates on the first post:

3. No, or almost no (I'm still working on figuring out playable alternatives for the last two roles), "classic" Mafia powers are going to feature in this game.

Wonder if this counts for scum as well as town. Could scum maybe be able to do something else besides kill at night since thats what they classically do?

I have a strange feeling about Nark & Wing... they keep fighting, accusing each other, and then they both go into "ignore" mode... like they did a show and now they look like mortal enemies. If the assumption is correct that there are multiple trainers, pokemons, teams, whatever, they will get a free pass to the endgame since no one will link them together even if they're part of assumed Team Rocket. If one dies, no one will suspect the other. Pretty smart I'd say, so let's keep eyes open.

Only problem with this idea is that there was no night 0 in this game amd these are two people who have never played with each other. Would be impressive if they managed to coordinate that with no prior communication.

You're on point about the ignoring bit tho. Getting pissy because you can't handle snark and ignoring someone is not helpful.

I really don't understand this bandwagon on Minister. They're an older player, they always seemed a bit scummy when I played with them back in the day even though they were a simple townie. They slipped up a lot. I'm just not buying that the slip up was intentional and even if it was, he did try and semi-claim townie... Why are we trying to get rid of a townie when there are big enough to fry? Unless the people voting MM are trainers also and want to win (and be the very best!)

The way the arguments for and against people are going is really striking me as odd. I haven't played mafia in years so I'm obviously a bit rusty, but these arguments just don't swing me either way. I'm looking out for the ones being the most aggressive and pointing fingers every which way (hence the FOS on Nark and Wing)

I'm with you on the minister bandwagon. From what I remember this is how he is. We'd bandwagon him due to a slip up and he'd end up being like a vanilla townie

First of all did Kwanton really vote for himself? and if so... why the hell is he still on a joke vote?

Yeah. I do that every game. It's my thing. Ask the other vets.

unvote



vote kwanton

So out of those, I count maybe 3 with any real substance to them. So subtracting the obligatory opening joke vote makes about 50% of what he said filler. Furthermore, to fill out his impressive resume of posts, he finishes with no real conclusions drawn about anyone.

Unvote Vote Kwan