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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby dakky21 on Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:25 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:I'm not an SK. I'm a wild pokemon with a variant win-con. I have the same ability to attack and defend as everyone else. You are calling me an SK, but my role is to eliminate scum where the Wild Pokemon wincon is a lot closer to SK. I am the vig, aka the pro-town hero. I wouldn't bother killing dakky. If I can kill Gary, dakky will be freed. I'm not sure if it works while dakky is defending though.


That is really WRONG or Mandy wrote it WRONG.

Either way, if Gary dies, I die with him and I wrote that pages ago.

It can't be both, unless, again, Mandy did a procedural mistake.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby dakky21 on Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:43 pm

Actually. All Wild Pokemon will win if they survive and Team Rocket is dead. Just checked my first PM. Why do you want to free me? What's it up to you? Why do you want to kill Gary? To get your Win Conditions? Ordinary WP don't need to kill Gary to win.... JUST TR dead...... what you're saying DY is utter bullsh*t and you're MewTwo or another mystery pokemon and yes, I am ruining the game for you, as you should be already dead. Gary can live and Wild Pokemon can win so I don't see why you want him dead....?! (I see, but that's your WC)
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:50 pm

dakky21 wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:I'm not an SK. I'm a wild pokemon with a variant win-con. I have the same ability to attack and defend as everyone else. You are calling me an SK, but my role is to eliminate scum where the Wild Pokemon wincon is a lot closer to SK. I am the vig, aka the pro-town hero. I wouldn't bother killing dakky. If I can kill Gary, dakky will be freed. I'm not sure if it works while dakky is defending though.


That is really WRONG or Mandy wrote it WRONG.

Either way, if Gary dies, I die with him and I wrote that pages ago.

It can't be both, unless, again, Mandy did a procedural mistake.


Ok, I was just hoping to save you. I guess you do have to die after all. I understand that this is a losing battle for me. It's one person trying to take the moral high ground against two separate recruiting factions that already outnumber me.

You might as well kill me know so I don't have to listen to dakky's bullshit anymore.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby Talapus on Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:47 am

DoomYoshi wrote:
You might as well kill me know so I don't have to listen to dakky's bullshit anymore.



After getting caught all up I was actually willing to not vote you even after the Mewtwo revelation. However this statement seems more like you not wanting to deal with game at moment and probably not caring about your night action if you do live.

So, How do you propose to use your action tonight so we see value in keeping you around as others have asked? Sounds like you want to go after just Gary which means you will be ignoring dakky....So who are the players you think we should focus on for this?
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby madmitch on Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:43 am

I think Doom is grasping at straws, he would have been hung if not for Strikes mistake,(or was it ?) I think you remembered that WCG was pressured into attacking other pokemons and you thought I can say the same thing, You made a couple of mistakes 1 ,you said that you are not being forced ,2 that you are indeed Mewtwo, 3 that you are a wild pokemon, Which is it? it can't be both [-X
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby nagerous on Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:52 am

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new guy1 wrote:I will not be voting doom right away with this new revelation. It didn't really occur to me that MewTwo might be good for the WP, though as it has been mentioned, it's not a WC for WP to defeat him, so it doesn't seem like it would concern WP if he was left alive. Mets, if he's not MewTwo, I wouldn't expect a counterclaim, I would expect DY to get smacked tonight by MewTwo. Would keep MT's identity safe and all. I believe the claim, I just don't know that I trust it operates the way DY says it does. MewTwo wasn't ever really for equality with trainer's pokemon, because they had given up their independence to be slaves (hence why I picked up on DY sounding like MewTwo). I don't remember him having problems with wild pokemon, but I haven't watched the movie as of recent, so I can't boast complete knowledge about that.


I don't necessarily believe his description of the role or his alignment either. I'm not saying we can really trust him at this point. I just believe he is Mewtwo and therefore is not TR.



You do realise mewtwo is ultimately a team rocket creation and quite clearly evil. Having him alive on the contrary would be very dangerous for the wild Pokemon and I am surprised that some people are willing to keep him in the game rather than lynching him for the danger he is.

He has already been caught in one lie by saying he is a wild Pokemon and not an SK. We know he is not a wild Pokemon as Mandy in our PMs told us that there were four other types of wild Pokemon in the game and then listed them. The role pm does not mention a 5th type of wild Pokemon so either the mod is lying or Doom is lying and I tend to side with the mod in these cases.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby Ragian on Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:55 am

@Doom, how could you kill Serbia? How do you work? Can you kill anyone?
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:59 am

nagerous wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
new guy1 wrote:I will not be voting doom right away with this new revelation. It didn't really occur to me that MewTwo might be good for the WP, though as it has been mentioned, it's not a WC for WP to defeat him, so it doesn't seem like it would concern WP if he was left alive. Mets, if he's not MewTwo, I wouldn't expect a counterclaim, I would expect DY to get smacked tonight by MewTwo. Would keep MT's identity safe and all. I believe the claim, I just don't know that I trust it operates the way DY says it does. MewTwo wasn't ever really for equality with trainer's pokemon, because they had given up their independence to be slaves (hence why I picked up on DY sounding like MewTwo). I don't remember him having problems with wild pokemon, but I haven't watched the movie as of recent, so I can't boast complete knowledge about that.


I don't necessarily believe his description of the role or his alignment either. I'm not saying we can really trust him at this point. I just believe he is Mewtwo and therefore is not TR.



You do realise mewtwo is ultimately a team rocket creation and quite clearly evil. Having him alive on the contrary would be very dangerous for the wild Pokemon and I am surprised that some people are willing to keep him in the game rather than lynching him for the danger he is.

He has already been caught in one lie by saying he is a wild Pokemon and not an SK. We know he is not a wild Pokemon as Mandy in our PMs told us that there were four other types of wild Pokemon in the game and then listed them. The role pm does not mention a 5th type of wild Pokemon so either the mod is lying or Doom is lying and I tend to side with the mod in these cases.


I didn't say I disputed any of that. I just said that he is Mewtwo and not TR.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby BuJaber on Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:12 am

You are all missing the point. Who cares if MewTwo is alive? Who cares if other WP's are alive? As a wild pokemon all you care about is that TR gets killed. All you should take from Doom's posts is that he is not TR. Because no TR in their right mind would do this. Dakky wants to go after MewTwo because MewTwo is an enemy of Gary. However he is not our enemy. I don't even it hold it against dakky that he wants him killed. He's playing like he should. The wild pokemon that are agreeing with him is what's baffling me.

It's crazy to me that some of you are afraid that 1 person who is not anti-WP will target you in the night out of 17 people alive.

Doom you ARE the hero of WP. You just destroyed TR. Because all these bandwagoners are looking incredibly scummy right now.

I wanted to wait until L-1 to say all of this. I wanted more people to vote. I did not expect 3 full pages of responses and a near mis though.

We have plenty of days still to go... Go after TR. Don't waste a lynch.

Hotshot, legion, strike. Maybe kwanton and skittles (pegged as WP since early on, but now I can't be too sure).

Put it this way. This is not a standard mafia right? So why can't we all just win together. If we kill TR and the game doesn't end then we either kill Gary and win with mewtwo, or we kill mewtwo and win with Gary. Since Mewtwo has just revealed himself, he would be the easier option to go after. Lynching him now is a horrible tactical mistake. We can pick him off later when we want to end the game. Unless some of you know who Gary is 100%.

If there are more trainers then we can deal with that later. Right now James is our priority 10000%.

If Doom is lying he would be just a regular Wild pokemon. How can you think that TR would go through all this nonsense? That would be the biggest suicidal attempt by a scum I've ever seen and ever will see.

Now they're gonna label me as an enemy too for defending him. :roll: :roll:

The people referring to other WP as cannon fodder are also kinda dangerous. Look man, yeah you can gain xp, but there's nothing stopping us from all surviving together. And we don't want to waste lynches/night actions killing WP's.

That's what I think. WP's I hope you listen to me.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby BuJaber on Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:14 am

Forgot to add mitch to the scum list.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby mandalorian2298 on Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:13 am

Will do a vote count after I get home. Just popedin to say this:
Fck you, Kwanton! Quoting private conversation is over the line and uncool.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:18 am

mandalorian2298 wrote:Will do a vote count after I get home. Just popedin to say this:
Fck you, Kwanton! Quoting private conversation is over the line and uncool.


I agree, that's not cool.

You know what else is not cool? Giving certain players additional information that is not available to all the other players.

So, you're both assholes.

Although I think kwanton's theory of the setup is bullshit anyway so I guess no harm done.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby madmitch on Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:07 am

dakky21 wrote:Actually. All Wild Pokemon will win if they survive and Team Rocket is dead. Just checked my first PM. Why do you want to free me? What's it up to you? Why do you want to kill Gary? To get your Win Conditions? Ordinary WP don't need to kill Gary to win.... JUST TR dead...... what you're saying DY is utter bullsh*t and you're MewTwo or another mystery pokemon and yes, I am ruining the game for you, as you should be already dead. Gary can live and Wild Pokemon can win so I don't see why you want him dead....?! (I see, but that's your WC)

Dakky is right here,as a wp killing a trainer gets me 1x damage plus1 exp.kill bonus, so why does Doom what to kill Gary so bad? seems scummy to me.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby mandalorian2298 on Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:16 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote:Will do a vote count after I get home. Just popedin to say this:
Fck you, Kwanton! Quoting private conversation is over the line and uncool.


I agree, that's not cool.

You know what else is not cool? Giving certain players additional information that is not available to all the other players.

So, you're both assholes.

Although I think kwanton's theory of the setup is bullshit anyway so I guess no harm done.


I'll keep this short for now but if you want, we can discuss it further after the game is done:

The only "additional info" that Kwanton received was that the 26 player game would be optimised differentely then a 25 player game. That's not additional info, that's common sense. The fact that I found it easier means nothing without knowing what would the harder setup look like (and, probably, not much even then).

Let me make it clear: I have no problem with theorizing about game setup, that's a normal part of the game. I have a problem with quoting parts of a private conversations in a public forum, not because it influnces the game, but because it's indiscrete.

P.S. I thank you for being more discrete with that message I sent you about how
horny it made me when you joined the game. ;)
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby Ragian on Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:47 am

unvote

f*ck sake, BuJ. I was told that I did not need to understand any Pokemon flavour in order to play this game. If we could please debate this without the flavour. I want to know how Doom works. Because if he can kill whomever he desires every night, I think that makes him a huge arse liability. I don't trust his judgement at all. So while in a flavour universe he might be a Pokemon savior (or whatever), in this game of mafia he seems a trigger-happy renegade.

Now, I agree that I don't like all the ones I'm voting with, but surely you'd have to agree that Doom hasn't been too town-prone throughout this game. As it is right now (or at least till I have confirmation of how Doom's role works), I have no problem voting for him again. I don't want to die N2 due to Doom thinking I'm buddying too much with dakky. (That's what got Serbia killed, right?)
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby dakky21 on Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:49 am

BuJaber wrote:You are all missing the point. Who cares if MewTwo is alive? Who cares if other WP's are alive? As a wild pokemon all you care about is that TR gets killed. All you should take from Doom's posts is that he is not TR. Because no TR in their right mind would do this. Dakky wants to go after MewTwo because MewTwo is an enemy of Gary. However he is not our enemy. I don't even it hold it against dakky that he wants him killed. He's playing like he should. The wild pokemon that are agreeing with him is what's baffling me.


You are missing the point. 3rd party serial killers or manipulators or whatever they are always a target. While you as a WP can win WITH him alive, you can also get killed. That is a problem. You don't know who will he target. So yeah, Team Gary will try to capture another Pokemon tonight, but that isn't something that is bad as opposed to targeting someone with a kill ability or ordering someone to do a kill over someone else. Hope you get what I mean, SK's are always a problem and should be dealt with ASAP.

If you are really a WP and Team Gary targets you tonight, you will probably be just recruited, but alive. BUT if SK targets you tonight, you're dead. How's that with your logic? Unless you're working with him so you know he won't target you, then your logic stands...

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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby The1exile on Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:18 am

I'm sorry for the delay, guys, I've been absolutely destroyed after New Year. And I've been missing some tasty reveals, apparently...

However, I cannot for the life of me understand why we would want Mewtwo around, James surviving or no. The town already has increased night lethality since all Pokemon can attack and his claims of being anti trainer don't chime with attacking Serbia, since we knew Masket was a trainer. And since we can suspect that killing a trainer kills their Pokemon, the 'I can set you free' schtick feels like someone trying to race to the late game with efficient kills rather than actually helping the town.

unvote, vote DoomYoshi

However, I'll freely admit that if it turns out to be wrong, I'm straight up going to attack Mitch tonight for his scummy attempted hammering.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby Ragian on Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:22 am

Yes, everyone saw that. That's what dakky means when saying that Mitch will eventually hang himself...

While I agree with you exile, don't rush the vote (if you are, I don't know how far we are on the VC). I want to hear Doom explain his role, and I want to hear BuJ's reply to what I asked him. Pwetty pwease :)
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby kwanton on Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:10 am

mandalorian2298 wrote:Will do a vote count after I get home. Just popedin to say this:
Fck you, Kwanton! Quoting private conversation is over the line and uncool.


Woops. Sorry. I thought it was cool since we could quote PMs :oops:
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby kwanton on Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:19 am

It sounds like doom is claiming that he has a special role which frees captured Pokémon if he kills their trainer. Makes sense with the mind control in the scenes. He could force them to free their Pokémon before killing themselves.

Unfortunately, the only way to verify this is if dakky gives up Gary. If Gary pops up dead tomorrow and dakky doesn't, then we know doom is telling the truth.

I'll accept keeping him alive if that happens. I still don't like having a 1HK guy in the game tho when the rest of us attack based on damage stats.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby madmitch on Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:35 am

Go f*ck your self exile, you have no problem hammering someone but if I do it I am scum, you are my target tonight asshole
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby dakky21 on Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:38 am

In a lot of games Mitch hammered or tried to hammer so I don't take him seriously anymore. He does that being scum or town so it's not a scum tell anymore. That's what I was saying D1 but no one listened. You can't read him if you don't have experience in games with him and even if you do, only meta can help to some degree. It's like robot is writing pre-defined sentences.

@kwanton ... imagine this: We lynch someone else today and he flips WP, I give up Gary, Yoshi kills him pulling me as well, tomorrow you lynch Yoshi, and where are we while TR is still alive. Not liking your idea.

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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - NIGHT 1 send your choice

Postby mandalorian2298 on Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:59 am

Vote Count

Mitch (1) - Exile,

legionnare (1) - DoomYoshi

Ragian (1) - Strike

Hotshot (2) - BuJaber, Samlen

DoomYoshi (8) - dakky, legionnare, Kwan, Ragian, Hotshot, Nagerous, Mitch, Exile

Dakky (1) - Anark


With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby dakky21 on Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:12 pm

Ragian unvoted, though in red not in blue.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:38 pm

madmitch wrote:I think Doom is grasping at straws, he would have been hung if not for Strikes mistake,(or was it ?) I think you remembered that WCG was pressured into attacking other pokemons and you thought I can say the same thing, You made a couple of mistakes 1 ,you said that you are not being forced ,2 that you are indeed Mewtwo, 3 that you are a wild pokemon, Which is it? it can't be both [-X


2 and 3 are the same thing. I am the ultimate wild pokemon because I am uncapturable. I'm just not a vanilla wild pokemon.

I'm thinking nagerous for Gary. I'm willing to hit Samlen tonight if the town would prefer a possible TR candidate. For the record, it's not a one-hit kill, I just do a metric ton of damage because I'm at a high level.
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