dakky21 wrote: Chu can be scum bulletproof.
Except that if I was scum bulletproof I would have voted and ended this instead of prolonging it out because I'm not sure what to do.
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dakky21 wrote: Chu can be scum bulletproof.
Skoffin wrote: So um.. er... I'll be honest, I don't know what the f*ck to do from here. Goddamnit chu.
Fircoal wrote:dakky21 wrote: Chu can be scum bulletproof.
Except that if I was scum bulletproof I would have voted and ended this instead of prolonging it out because I'm not sure what to do.
Skoffin wrote:Chu can't die anyway, so I'd say DDS might be better watching Nag. I hide behind DDS, which will clear him if he's town like we assume and give us an extra person tomorrow. We lynch either dakky/DJ today, which should mean only one of them is left to lynch tomorrow.
Skoffin wrote:I find DJ more suspicious, so I am starting with him. I find it a little off-putting that essentially every time he posts he seems to be trying to cast doubt on whether I can be trusted.
We can do DDS' original plan, on condition that if dakky is town and is leftover with Nag and chu tomorrow he please vote chu or I will never let him hear the end of it if it goes wrong. That would be an interesting situation though, if only because it would mean I haven't been doggedly going after chu the whole game for no reason :p
Vote DJ
DirtyDishSoap wrote:Or scenario 3 that I just thought about after making that last post...
Let's assume that both you and Skoffin and myself are speaking the truth.
Skoffins role doesn't protect her from Nag and Nag did indeed grab her instead of visiting skittles.
Skoffins role gets her killed if she visits scum, this would clear Nag because he would have been role blocked otherwise.
She visited Fircoal in a previous night, this eliminates Fircoal as a suspect.
The last three remaining is myself, DJ and Dakky.
Dakky could have ties with Mets and was instructed by him to roleblock me (yes I'm going back to that argument), which would explain that action, and he may have the night kill ability now.
DJ's role is incredibly hard to prove and was thus role blocked by Skittles out of suspicion. That's the only thing I could think of with Skittles if he targeted DJ.
We can lay out another plan for the next night however and opt a no lynch (I know, unpopular).
Let's say DJ targets Fircoal who is bulletproof, I visit Fircoal, Skoffin visits DJ, Nag visits Dakky.
Assuming this all goes according to plan...
Fircoal gets visited by DJ.
I see it.
Nag dies for catching a night kill, which would implicate Dakky.
Skoffin dies for visiting DJ (And one of us would likely die), which would implicate DJ.
Unless I'm missing something there, I believe that's how the night would turn out.
Symmetry wrote:The ram wrote:Symmetry wrote:Ok, so some stuff goes over your head?
No not here anyway. He never said they were forced.
Whoosh
Symmetry wrote:The ram wrote:Symmetry wrote:Ok, so some stuff goes over your head?
No not here anyway. He never said they were forced.
Whoosh
Skoffin wrote:
Chu can't die anyway, so I'd say DDS might be better watching Nag. I hide behind DDS, which will clear him if he's town like we assume and give us an extra person tomorrow. We lynch either dakky/DJ today, which should mean only one of them is left to lynch tomorrow.
Skoffin wrote: So um.. er... I'll be honest, I don't know what the f*ck to do from here. Goddamnit chu.
Iliad wrote:The upside of calling everyone scum and making 1000 predictions is that statistically you should get a few right.
Symmetry wrote:The ram wrote:Symmetry wrote:Ok, so some stuff goes over your head?
No not here anyway. He never said they were forced.
Whoosh
dakky21 wrote:The thing is DDS, you are a good mafia player and that's why I nominated you for Championship. You can spin people with ease and I can't. I'm not that good yet.
The debate is over, it's up to Chu to make a decision, am I just a bad player or were you spinning us around the whole game?
dakky21 wrote:DDS will tell you that his plan was "active" and that Skoffin said before his "plan" was "activated" but we don't know if the plan was followed at all so that doesn't need to be taken into account as well as his "plan".
I believe his plan was to get to a situation like this where he can lie about who visit whom and therefore pinpoint town to lynch town.
Symmetry wrote:The ram wrote:Symmetry wrote:Ok, so some stuff goes over your head?
No not here anyway. He never said they were forced.
Whoosh
Fircoal wrote:dakky21 wrote: Chu can be scum bulletproof.
Except that if I was scum bulletproof I would have voted and ended this instead of prolonging it out because I'm not sure what to do.
Symmetry wrote:The ram wrote:Symmetry wrote:Ok, so some stuff goes over your head?
No not here anyway. He never said they were forced.
Whoosh
Symmetry wrote:The ram wrote:Symmetry wrote:Ok, so some stuff goes over your head?
No not here anyway. He never said they were forced.
Whoosh
DirtyDishSoap wrote:I'm not scum
Symmetry wrote:The ram wrote:Symmetry wrote:Ok, so some stuff goes over your head?
No not here anyway. He never said they were forced.
Whoosh
DirtyDishSoap wrote:Fircoal wrote:dakky21 wrote: Chu can be scum bulletproof.
Except that if I was scum bulletproof I would have voted and ended this instead of prolonging it out because I'm not sure what to do.
You're a sick twisted human being if you're scum fir.
Skoffin wrote:
Chu can't die anyway, so I'd say DDS might be better watching Nag. I hide behind DDS, which will clear him if he's town like we assume and give us an extra person tomorrow. We lynch either dakky/DJ today, which should mean only one of them is left to lynch tomorrow.
DirtyDishSoap wrote:Let's say DJ targets Fircoal who is bulletproof, I visit Fircoal, Skoffin visits DJ, Nag visits Dakky.
Assuming this all goes according to plan...
Fircoal gets visited by DJ.
I see it.
Nag dies for catching a night kill, which would implicate Dakky.
Skoffin dies for visiting DJ (And one of us would likely die), which would implicate DJ.
Skoffin wrote:
We can do DDS' original plan, on condition that if dakky is town and is leftover with Nag and chu tomorrow he please vote chu or I will never let him hear the end of it if it goes wrong. That would be an interesting situation though, if only because it would mean I haven't been doggedly going after chu the whole game for no reason :p
Vote DJ
DirtyDishSoap wrote:If we lynch dakky, then have Nag visit DJ, I'll watch Nag while you visit me and clear me.
Skoffin wrote: So um.. er... I'll be honest, I don't know what the f*ck to do from here. Goddamnit chu.
Skoffin wrote: So um.. er... I'll be honest, I don't know what the f*ck to do from here. Goddamnit chu.
Fircoal wrote:DirtyDishSoap wrote:Fircoal wrote:dakky21 wrote: Chu can be scum bulletproof.
Except that if I was scum bulletproof I would have voted and ended this instead of prolonging it out because I'm not sure what to do.
You're a sick twisted human being if you're scum fir.
eh I'm not like that. If I was scum I would have voted by now
It's hard and I've been busy. I've been thinking about it though. The way I see it there are only two different scenarios that could have happened.
Let's go back to the basics here:
Here is Skoffin's plan:Skoffin wrote:
Chu can't die anyway, so I'd say DDS might be better watching Nag. I hide behind DDS, which will clear him if he's town like we assume and give us an extra person tomorrow. We lynch either dakky/DJ today, which should mean only one of them is left to lynch tomorrow.
Here is DDS's:DirtyDishSoap wrote:Let's say DJ targets Fircoal who is bulletproof, I visit Fircoal, Skoffin visits DJ, Nag visits Dakky.
Assuming this all goes according to plan...
Fircoal gets visited by DJ.
I see it.
Nag dies for catching a night kill, which would implicate Dakky.
Skoffin dies for visiting DJ (And one of us would likely die), which would implicate DJ.
One of these had to be the one that was used. This tells us a couple of things. Couple this with Skoffin's last post:Skoffin wrote:
We can do DDS' original plan, on condition that if dakky is town and is leftover with Nag and chu tomorrow he please vote chu or I will never let him hear the end of it if it goes wrong. That would be an interesting situation though, if only because it would mean I haven't been doggedly going after chu the whole game for no reason :p
Vote DJ
So what we can reasonably assume is that Skoffin followed one of these plans. It's just which. She said DDS's original plan but that seems to be very different from what she implies. She is hinting towards a leftover town of Nag, Chu, and Dakky which points to her hiding behind DDS. As the only way for that to happen is for her to hide behind DDS and die, and have DDS be the target. The only other way that'd make sense is if DDS was the nightkill and she hid behind me, otherwise she'd be pointing to one of the other two as mafia, and I know she didnt hide behind me.
and you also said:DirtyDishSoap wrote:If we lynch dakky, then have Nag visit DJ, I'll watch Nag while you visit me and clear me.
So actually I'm pretty sure that given what DDS did and what Skoffin said that Skoffin's original choice of target was DDS.
Which leaves one last question.. Is there a redirector? Because if Dakky is the redirector it's possible that he pushed her hide onto himself. But if there was a redirector why wouldn't he do that before hand? And why did Dakky get that weird result that one time. Was that due to the alarm clock? Everything has been fairly tame and not redirected that I'm unsure if there even is one or what about it.
Anyway those are my thoughts as it stands. Feel free to respond in the meanwhile. I don't want to rush a lynch (obviously), so please feel free to speak your case and react to what I have said.
Symmetry wrote:The ram wrote:Symmetry wrote:Ok, so some stuff goes over your head?
No not here anyway. He never said they were forced.
Whoosh
Symmetry wrote:The ram wrote:Symmetry wrote:Ok, so some stuff goes over your head?
No not here anyway. He never said they were forced.
Whoosh
DirtyDishSoap wrote:Unfortunately the plan rested on who died and who I saw. I'm basically confirming the night action, Nag and Skoffin are following through with it.
She didn't hide behind me either. Remember, the plan was for everyone to be alive before the night. We opted to lynch DJ instead and check Dakky. Which is exactly what happened. Perhaps there was some confusion? Maybe it played out as Nag targeting you and Skoffin targeting Dakky and Dakky targeting Nag? It's all speculation at this point, and you honestly have to use your best judgement in this case.
I wouldn't tickle the redirector theory at this point. I was against that yesterday but Nag and Skoffin were sure of it and was worried about handing (you) a victory. I tickled it briefly but I think it's rather obvious now that there isn't one. I'm merely saying that Skoffin chose to visit Dakky instead of me.
It wouldn't explain Dakky's weird gift thing either btw.
the plan rested on who died and who I saw
Iliad wrote:The upside of calling everyone scum and making 1000 predictions is that statistically you should get a few right.
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