Best at maths

[waauw]

The OECD posts educational findings every year. Note the asterisk at the bottom. China can be considered well educated when ONLY taking into account the most developed regions and neglecting the retarded outback.

waauw correctly points out that if you compare OECD countries to the parts of China that have an equivalent level of financial resources, China is using its resources to produce intelligent children while other OECD countries such as Belgium have given up on their youth and decided their only hope for the future is to instead pour their public resources into illegal state aid to their dying domestic industry and illegal bribes to attract overseas industry

China's greatest asset: its well-educated workforce of the future
Belgium's greatest asset: barking on command

That's right - when the facts are overwhelmingly stacked against you, simply accept you have been owned.

Illegal state aid and illegal bribes are nothing but tangents to the topic at hand, as is the subject of belgium, and you haven't provided any evidence to suggest Chinese people are better educated than belgians nor americans. In fact I'm the only person in this topic so far who has provided any sort of relevant statistics.

ps: don't even bother, I won't respond any further. You've yet again proven to be a waste of time.

[mrswdk]

I directly answered you. Chinese kids in areas of China that have even close to the same level of resources as OECD countries perform better in PISA tests than kids from most OECD countries.

You ignored that point because it doesn't fit your Eurotroll view of the world but, ya know, I can only lead the horse to water.

[DoomYoshi]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/27/britains-new-aircraft-carriers-to-test-beijing-in-south-china-sea

Boris Johnson has committed the UK’s two brand new aircraft carriers to freedom of navigation exercises in the fiercely contested waters of the West Phillipine Sea.

In a pointed declaration aimed squarely at China, whose island-building and militarisation in the sea has unnerved western powers, the British foreign secretary said that when the ships came into service they would be sent to the Asia-Pacific region as one of their first assignments.

“One of the first things we will do with the two new colossal aircraft carriers that we have just built is send them on a freedom of navigation operation to this area,” Johnson said in Sydney on Thursday, “to vindicate our belief in the rules-based international system and in the freedom of navigation through those waterways which are absolutely vital for world trade.”

[mrswdk]

In a thread about maths I guess it's reassuring to see the UK's most senior diplomat can at least count to two:

Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson was today branded a “blond British wombat” by the Australian Press during his whistle stop three-day visit to Sydney.

Media commentators and television pundits have been scrambling to give opinion on how well the politician has done Down Under, after a series of apparent gaffes in New Zealand.

Today’s Australian newspaper described him as “something like a blond British wombat caught in a perpetual storm of his own making”.

The Sydney Morning Herald told its readers that Britain’s Foreign Secretary was a “fan of wearing his tie long like Donald Trump, Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty and hyperbole.”

“After losing his luggage, comparing the hongi – a traditional Maori greeting – to a headbutt and being upstaged by a rare lizard in New Zealand, Boris Johnson is pleased to be in Australia,” the newspaper declared.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/bo ... 97381.html

[Dukasaur]

WTF? I thought Boris Johnson retired?

[Cade Weston]

Why bother to argue? It is not about a race. It is just about that specific person. And even if someone is good at maths, so what? You won't benefit from that.

[jusplay4fun]

I concur with Symm on this one. It is long been recognized world-wide that the USA has the best graduate schools in the world.

JP4F

Probably the US. Though not necessarily Americans. Part of the American success story is that it traditionally takes people from around the world. It's no surprise that the only woman to win the Fields medal was an Iranian who came to the US.

There are a lot of things wrong with the US educational system, but at its highest level it's decades ahead of China.

[DoomYoshi]

I concur with Symm on this one. It is long been recognized world-wide that the USA has the best graduate schools in the world.

JP4F

Probably the US. Though not necessarily Americans. Part of the American success story is that it traditionally takes people from around the world. It's no surprise that the only woman to win the Fields medal was an Iranian who came to the US.

There are a lot of things wrong with the US educational system, but at its highest level it's decades ahead of China.

I just picked a subject I was sure would be best in Germany or Israel - Biblical Hebrew research. University of Chicago comes up at the top. Maybe someone else can find an area of graduate studies where an American school isn't the top of the field, but I can't. It's crazy though because to study comparative semitics at Chicago, you are required to already know German - an heirloom of the 19th century, when only Germans read the Bible.

[mrswdk]

Studying the world's best Biblical Hebrew grad course won't be much use to those students when they're unemployed grads who know all sorts of useless dead knowledge but suck at essential skills like maths.

[jusplay4fun]

Try graduate programs in the USA in Math Science Engineering, and Math (or MATHS); NOT philosophy or religion or Biblical Hebrew.

The Chinese do not have a monopoly on STEM.

Studying the world's best Biblical Hebrew grad course won't be much use to those students when they're unemployed grads who know all sorts of useless dead knowledge but suck at essential skills like maths.

[mrswdk]

What proportion of the US population attend a STEM grad degree course? There's a reason why PISA measures high school kids.

[DoomYoshi]

What proportion of the US population attend a STEM grad degree course? There's a reason why PISA measures high school kids.

The only percent that matter.

[Dukasaur]

What proportion of the US population attend a STEM grad degree course? There's a reason why PISA measures high school kids.

I don't know, but I do know that LBJ took the IRT down to Mainstreet U.S.A. When he got there, what did he see? The youth of America on LSD!

[jusplay4fun]

I knew this data would take time to search and find.

Conclusion, such majors as Philosphy or Biblical Hebrew (a ridiculous example, btw, even if JUS a grad course) are very low compared to Engineering and Biological Sciences. I will admit that there are more Chinese and Indians earning STEM degrees that those earned in the USA.

Here is what I found; I can cite the sources, for those who want to know:

Between 2004–05 and 2014–15, the total number of master's degrees conferred by postsecondary institutions increased by 31 percent, from 580,000 to 759,000. During the same period, the overall number of doctor's degrees conferred increased by 33 percent, from 134,000 to 179,000. This indicator examines the fields of study in which these degrees were conferred, and how the number awarded in each field has changed across time. For the purposes of this analysis, doctor's degrees include Ph.D., Ed.D., and comparable degrees at the doctoral level, as well as first-professional degrees such as M.D., D.D.S., and J.D. degrees.
Of the 759,000 master's degrees conferred in 2014–15 by postsecondary institutions, the largest percentages were in three fields of study: business (24 percent, 185,000 degrees), education (19 percent, 147,000 degrees), and health professions and related programs (14 percent, 103,000 degrees). The fields in which the next largest percentages of master's degrees were conferred were engineering (6 percent, 46,100 degrees) and public administration and social services (6 percent, 46,100 degrees). These five fields also accounted for the largest percentages conferred in 2004–05 and 2013–14.

Similar to master's degrees, of the 179,000 doctor's degrees conferred by postsecondary institutions, almost two-thirds of degrees were concentrated in two fields of study: health professions and related programs (40 percent, 71,000 degrees) and legal professions and studies (23 percent, 40,300 degrees). The three fields in which the next largest percentages of doctor's degrees were conferred were education (7 percent, 11,800 degrees), engineering (6 percent, 10,200 degrees), and biological and biomedical sciences (5 percent, 8,100 degrees).

JP4F

Try graduate programs in the USA in Math Science Engineering, and Math (or MATHS); NOT philosophy or religion or Biblical Hebrew.

The Chinese do not have a monopoly on STEM.

Studying the world's best Biblical Hebrew grad course won't be much use to those students when they're unemployed grads who know all sorts of useless dead knowledge but suck at essential skills like maths.

[DoomYoshi]

It's hardly a ridiculous example. My point is that you can't name a subject of graduate study that the best University isn't in the United States. It's already well-established that the best STEM schools are in the United States because 11 out of every 10 Nobel prizes go to MIT. I guess you could count the law schools of various nations as one notable exception. The quality of most research in China is atrocious, at least in my field (epigenetics).

[riskllama]

lol, china.

[jusplay4fun]

I was referring the ridiculous example used by mrswdk; please see the quote below:

JP4F

Try graduate programs in the USA in Math Science Engineering, and Math (or MATHS); NOT philosophy or religion or Biblical Hebrew.

The Chinese do not have a monopoly on STEM.

Studying the world's best Biblical Hebrew grad course won't be much use to those students when they're unemployed grads who know all sorts of useless dead knowledge but suck at essential skills like maths.

[jusplay4fun]

I assume that this debate is over since my points and my arguments have not been refuted nor even challenged.

JP4F

[mrswdk]

Everything you said related to postgraduate degrees and was therefore irrelevant.

[jusplay4fun]

I said USA had the best Graduate schools in the World, so OF COURSE what I said supports my original statement on this matter. PERIOD. Debate over.

JP4Fun

Everything you said related to postgraduate degrees and was therefore irrelevant.

[jusplay4fun]

Ergo.

As now said, at least 3 times, that you do not refute.

Debate over on this point.

JP4Fun

I concur with Symm on this one. It is long been recognized world-wide that the USA has the best graduate schools in the world.

JP4F

Probably the US. Though not necessarily Americans. Part of the American success story is that it traditionally takes people from around the world. It's no surprise that the only woman to win the Fields medal was an Iranian who came to the US.

There are a lot of things wrong with the US educational system, but at its highest level it's decades ahead of China.

[jusplay4fun]

Debate settled.

JP4Fun

Who is best at maths?

To settle a debate.

[mrswdk]

I said USA had the best Graduate schools in the World

USA has slim models and actors, therefore Americans are the healthiest people in the world.

[jusplay4fun]

Your logic is impeccable. NOT.

and the Slim Chinese, with bad teeth and squat toilets, are in great health and everyone in the world is crossing the borders illegally to get into China.

JP4F

I said USA had the best Graduate schools in the World

USA has slim models and actors, therefore Americans are the healthiest people in the world.

[mrswdk]

You see why no one bothered replying to your other posts.