Protesters do not have the right to block a street off!

[waauw]

proof liberals have more hate then the clan

Proof "karel" is barely literate.

Proof he doesn't know what acceptable proof is.

[karel]

https://imgur.com/t/politics/BcZOg

proof liberals have more hate then the clan

One more thing...stop free loading you freaking leech. Upgrade your account.

His Momma is probably on welfare and food stamps.

unlike your kind of people i work so you lazy asses can stay on welfare,what are you all going to do when trump cuts your welfare off,damn that means you will have to get off your fat lazy ass and get a job

[Bernie Sanders]

https://imgur.com/t/politics/BcZOg

proof liberals have more hate then the clan

One more thing...stop free loading you freaking leech. Upgrade your account.

His Momma is probably on welfare and food stamps.

unlike your kind of people i work so you lazy asses can stay on welfare,what are you all going to do when trump cuts your welfare off,damn that means you will have to get off your fat lazy ass and get a job

Actually my little pea brain poster...it is those with upgraded accounts who support your right to post your nonsense here.

Karel = Free loader

[patches70]

I have few question to understand this situation about statue>
1.Why people protest in Charlottevile ?

Some people are suddenly offended by war memorials to the CSA.

2. I try to finds correlation between Nazi Germany and CSA.

No correlation. Nazi Germany wanted to take over all of Europe and the world. The CSA wanted to secede and just become their own country.

3. Why people remove statue in violent way, its no other solution.

Because people are dumb and form mobs. There are other solutions.

I try to figure out who even give permission for statue and monuments to be placed in South America who commemorate CSA, i mean Union won a war, right?

In the effort to bind the wounds of the nation as Lincoln wanted, we did things to honor the CSA. We named streets, buildings, schools, universities after great men, even from the Confederacy. A way to remember our past.
The State's quarters for Georgia has Stone Mountain on the back of it. The largest military base in the US, Fort Bragg, is named after a Confederate General along with nine other bases also named for Confederate Generals.
Many Civil War battlefields, all set aside as national parks, have memorials to the CSA as well as the Union.
Throughout the South there are statues dedicated to the CSA in front of courthouses, libraries,
Virtually every state in the United States (I think Alaska is the only state that has none) has some memorial, school named after, street named after or other monument to someone of the CSA.
General Lee and his tactics are still studied in our officer training schools as well as other CSA generals and tacticians.

Georgia probably has the most monuments to the CSA, which is understandable. Georgia was so devastated by Sherman's March that this tragedy is remembered to this very day. A song, "Marching Through Georgia" was written rejoicing over the March which was played every time Sherman made a public appearance. Sherman hated the song though, because he hated rejoicing over a fallen enemy. A soldier in war understands why Sherman felt this way, a dead enemy soldier is a reminder that it could have just as easily been you in his place given the fates of war as it goes.

Just as people who have never served or fought in the military can't understand truly the price of war that soldiers know all too well. This is why even some of military bases are named after CSA figures as a way to honor and remember a valiant and honorable enemy who fought with tenacity and bravery and surrendered with honor.
Every person who died in the CSA was our own countrymen. There is no reason to not honor them in remembrance. One need not agree with the cause of an enemy to show respect for that enemy. But these people vandalizing these monuments know nothing of respect or honor. Such things are foreign to them.

I remember seeing the images of the Somali's dragging the naked bodies of Shuggart and Gordan through the streets, after they were killed defending Super Six One survivors. The scene outraged myself and the country, barbarians to treat the dead as such. These people tearing down the monuments in their mobs remind me of those Somali's.
For these people it's not enough that the Union won the war, that the South was destroyed. They want every image or reminder of the CSA erased for all time.
Today, California is going for their third attempt to secede from the United States. Where is the outrage for these "traitors" who are trying to the do the exact same thing the CSA tried to do?
It seems today's California has more in common with the CSA than they do with the nation.

The Supreme Court has ruled on the idea of secession. The argument before this was that States have a right to secede, which is probably correct in the eyes of the Founders, but the SCOTUS has ruled that States don't have the right to secede. Lincoln felt that the States didn't have the right to secede either. Hence the Civil War. California and even Texas (which has it's own secessionist movement) seem to want to ignore the SCOTUS and history and secede themselves, just as the CSA did. And here we are, mobs tearing down the memorials to the CSA and calling those memorials traitorous.

Europe might have their own problems with secession. Do countries in the EU have the right to leave the EU? The EU lacks the military power to keep nations like Britain from leaving, but the EU is planning to try and punish Britain economically for leaving. If the EU had an army they might well have gone to war over Britain leaving. If Britain is able to successfully extricate itself from the EU it will be interesting to see what happens when other nations start leaving.

[ConfederateSS]

----------Thank you my shadow for proving my point....That people see what they want to see about every thing.........The Blue and Silver Rebellion has nothing to do with the CSA...........The colors of Conquer Club are ...Premium...Red/Gold....Fremium...Blue/Silver....like the game Stratego...I even made a post,hey,did you guys take the colors from Stratego...look it up.......The Blue and Silver Rebellion speaks for the Fremiums that go ignored by The High Command....Who caters to The Touney Goers,The Clans,etc....Hey Clans,I'm surprised my shadow hasn't gotten them to change that yet...
--------I'm also tired of people trying to compare The U.S. Civil War...fought by AMERICANS....to European wars...The last time I checked,The South didn't commit mass genocide...But The USA did against the Native Americans...People better do more research when speaking on T.V...The haters of free speech will try and say ,that is not allowed in Germany...Then who were those people marching as neo-nazis in Germany yesterday...Remembering Rudy Hess...According to the LEFT here in America,that kind of stuff isn't allowed...Not to mention those dumb asses here in America are all Americans....If you try and stop them,from their 1st amed. right...Then people like Dr.King would also be stopped...A better way would let them have their picnic in the park, no one show up.....They will be ranting to the birds,crickets,now wouldn't that be funnier,and safer...Same goes for statues,they are an act of free speech...If you don't like looking at them,don't look...PERIOD...and for God's sake,don't ever put your body in front of a car...That is jut common sense...DUH!!... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ..........TRUMP made the point about Statues,who's next???...NOW...Instead of taking them down...Put up Fredrick Douglas ,Harriet Tubman statues next to them...So people can see both sides of the story...Learn from history instead of trying to hide it or erase it...........Who are those most scared of those statues THE LEFT...For The Democratic Party is the party of slavery/the party of THE KKK.....The only party of slavery of the 19th cen/or before---To still be an acting political party any where in the world in 2017...now that is what is really sad... ....They destroyed a statue/bust of Lincoln in Chicago........DON'T THEY KNOW LINCOLN FREED THE SLAVES!!!!..Ah! THE LOVABLE LEFT...

[Symmetry]

And the Nazi guy shows up. What a shock!

[Bernie Sanders]

Rewriting history....alt right... alternative truths

[Qwert]

I have few question to understand this situation about statue>
1.Why people protest in Charlottevile ?
2. I try to finds correlation between Nazi Germany and CSA.
3. Why people remove statue in violent way, its no other solution.

Im from Europe and i learn a lot about WWII and what Nazi Germany intention are- to conquer entire Europe, kill Slavs,gypsies,Jews and all others who are not support this idea. From other side i dont learn a lot of ACW, but what i know its that this war you dont have mass executions, war crimes or anything similar compared to WWII, and CSA have other goals then Nazi Germany(i think).
I try to figure out who even give permission for statue and monuments to be placed in South America who commemorate CSA, i mean Union won a war, right?

You're not usually this illiterate. I smell a trap.

hey-hey-hey dont force me to use google translate!Its could be shocking for me.

Thanks patches for deep explanations. So people are offended by CSA monuments who are put there some 100 year (or even more) and find that only by force could be torn apart. Hmm from my view point they need to go to Capital of USA and there to protest, after all Lincoln administration give permission for all this monument and memorial to be placed(right?).
And from what you say that even Military bases, streets, national parks, who knows maybe libraries, hospital have named by some CSA supporters to, so this its only a beginning because people will be still offended.
I dont know what write in USA constitution, but if state freely join u USA then maybe freely can leave USA to?
EU its union of independent countries who want to join this creation after fulfill EU conditions. Some European countries who are very rich dont even want to join this(Swiss and Norway from instance) because its could be burden for they pocket, because they will then fill EU fond with money who will then be spend mostly to poor EU members( to be more equal ) . Britain are independent country have its own money valute, army and constitution who can not be belove EU constitution(i think).
EU dont have army because every EU member have its own army, and almost all EU members are in NATO alliance, so will be ridiculous that EU form army who will attack Britain , and this will be end of NATO to( Hitler dream).
My country want to join EU, but who knows when will this happend and i think that its big chance for EU to dissolve then to my country become EU member

[Bernie Sanders]

I have few question to understand this situation about statue>
1.Why people protest in Charlottevile ?
2. I try to finds correlation between Nazi Germany and CSA.
3. Why people remove statue in violent way, its no other solution.

Im from Europe and i learn a lot about WWII and what Nazi Germany intention are- to conquer entire Europe, kill Slavs,gypsies,Jews and all others who are not support this idea. From other side i dont learn a lot of ACW, but what i know its that this war you dont have mass executions, war crimes or anything similar compared to WWII, and CSA have other goals then Nazi Germany(i think).
I try to figure out who even give permission for statue and monuments to be placed in South America who commemorate CSA, i mean Union won a war, right?

You're not usually this illiterate. I smell a trap.

hey-hey-hey dont force me to use google translate!Its could be shocking for me.

Thanks patches for deep explanations. So people are offended by CSA monuments who are put there some 100 year (or even more) and find that only by force could be torn apart. Hmm from my view point they need to go to Capital of USA and there to protest, after all Lincoln administration give permission for all this monument and memorial to be placed(right?).
And from what you say that even Military bases, streets, national parks, who knows maybe libraries, hospital have named by some CSA supporters to, so this its only a beginning because people will be still offended.
I dont know what write in USA constitution, but if state freely join u USA then maybe freely can leave USA to?
EU its union of independent countries who want to join this creation after fulfill EU conditions. Some European countries who are very rich dont even want to join this(Swiss and Norway from instance) because its could be burden for they pocket, because they will then fill EU fond with money who will then be spend mostly to poor EU members( to be more equal ) . Britain are independent country have its own money valute, army and constitution who can not be belove EU constitution(i think).
EU dont have army because every EU member have its own army, and almost all EU members are in NATO alliance, so will be ridiculous that EU form army who will attack Britain , and this will be end of NATO to( Hitler dream).
My country want to join EU, but who knows when will this happend and i think that its big chance for EU to dissolve then to my country become EU member

Most of these statues and monuments were installed after reconstruction. In other words after the Union Army left the South. These statues and monuments are from the 20th Century, including the schools that were named after CSA Generals. The same schools where Blacks attend.

President Lincoln did not endorse these statues, monuments and schools to be named after these traitors.

[patches70]

I have few question to understand this situation about statue>
1.Why people protest in Charlottevile ?
2. I try to finds correlation between Nazi Germany and CSA.
3. Why people remove statue in violent way, its no other solution.

Im from Europe and i learn a lot about WWII and what Nazi Germany intention are- to conquer entire Europe, kill Slavs,gypsies,Jews and all others who are not support this idea. From other side i dont learn a lot of ACW, but what i know its that this war you dont have mass executions, war crimes or anything similar compared to WWII, and CSA have other goals then Nazi Germany(i think).
I try to figure out who even give permission for statue and monuments to be placed in South America who commemorate CSA, i mean Union won a war, right?

You're not usually this illiterate. I smell a trap.

hey-hey-hey dont force me to use google translate!Its could be shocking for me.

Lincoln administration give permission for all this monument and memorial to be placed(right?).

No. Lincoln died before the Civil War actually ended. Lincoln was assassinated six days after Robert E Lee surrendered at Appomattox. The Civil War ended on May 9, 1865, three weeks after Lincoln died. Most of the monuments and memorials were erected in the early 1900's, after reconstruction.

And from what you say that even Military bases, streets, national parks, who knows maybe libraries, hospital have named by some CSA supporters to, so this its only a beginning because people will be still offended.

Yep, it's only the beginning of the purging.

I dont know what write in USA constitution, but if state freely join u USA then maybe freely can leave USA to?

This is a tricky subject. When the United States was first formed, that was the prevailing belief. The belief that States freely joined and could freely leave the Union if they so chose. The individual states are part of the Union but are also sovereign states. The Constitution doesn't mention secession at all.
At the time of the Civil War it was widely believed that States could secede if they wanted, but it had never been tested in court. We have the Civil War.
In 1869 the SCOTUS heard the case of Texas v White in which the SCOTUS ruled that secession was not Constitutional. So that in itself has decided the idea of secession, it's not legal.
The US pledge of allegiance was written in 1887 and formally adopted by Congress in 1945. The Pledge is often, in the US, recited by school children in virtually all public schools in the US, though one is not required to pledge nor are schools required to recite the pledge. One can't be punished either way for participating or not participating. I mention the Pledge for one reason, here is the pledge itself-
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Every American citizen has recited this pledge at least once in their life with very very few exceptions. Note the bolded part, indivisible. No State can secede from the United States. That is established law, it's been spoken by oath by every citizen of the United States though most gave this pledge as children and didn't know any better either way.

Puerto Rico just a few months ago voted to join the United States and become the 51st state. Congress has yet to act on this one way or the other, it's up to Congress to allow or disallow Puerto Rico to join. But if Puerto Rico does official join the US as a State, then they can never leave.

The only legal way a State can leave the Union at this point, as noted by the SCOTUS, is through an actual revolution. That is any vote by a State Legislature or ruling body to secede is null a void, but if the Legislature is overthrown, the Federal Government kicked out of the State and armed revolution occurs, then that is the only way a State can legally secede from the Union. That of course is the way of blood, obviously. Some call this the "Right of Revolution" though there is nothing in the Constitution about this. There is, however, something about this in the Declaration of Independence-
That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government.
Emphasis mine.

The bolded can certainly be argued as to speaking about the Right of Revolution, but that's not a settled matter either, one way or another. I personally believe that when a government becomes tyrannical that the people absolutely have the right to wage Revolution and remove that government. That's how we became a nation in the first place, after all. But others argue there is no legal right for Revolution.
I suppose when one looks at it, if the Revolution fails, it's illegal. If the Revolution succeeds then it's legal. With all things being equal, ignoring the SCOTUS ruling on secession, if the secession succeeds then it's legal, if it doesn't then it's illegal.
Does that make any more sense to ya, qwert? Yah, I know, it's a tangled web but that's how life is, messy.

[patches70]

President Lincoln did not endorse these statues, monuments and schools to be named after these traitors.

Lincoln didn't view the South as traitors, CC Bernie. How many Confederates were tried for Treason? None. Lincoln didn't think the way you think because you are ignorant of history and are just trolling. Trolling is fine, and ignorance can be remedied but I think you revel in both.

[Bernie Sanders]

President Lincoln did not endorse these statues, monuments and schools to be named after these traitors.

Lincoln didn't view the South as traitors, CC Bernie. How many Confederates were tried for Treason? None. Lincoln didn't think the way you think because you are ignorant of history and are just trolling. Trolling is fine, and ignorance can be remedied but I think you revel in both.

That's the problem, President Lincoln and all those liberal northern snow flakes were soft on these racists. We should have had trials and punish these sadists. Look what happen after reconstruction.

[karel]

no point in talking to bernie,if you dont agree with their views you are a racist,you believe in the american flag your a racist,you believe in the constitution your a racist,if you believe in the bill of rights your a racist,if your against black lives matter your a racist......see thats how the dems view everyone,you dont go with them your a non american....forgot to add couple more things,you support logging your a racist(ffs save a f-en owl wtf ever).You believe everyone has a right to free speech your a racist

[patches70]

That's the problem, President Lincoln and all those liberal northern snow flakes were soft on these racists. We should have had trials and punish these sadists. Look what happen after reconstruction.

Yeah, people started thinking of themselves as "Americans" instead of "Virginians" or "New Yorker's" or "Georgian" etc etc.

Lee couldn't bring himself to take up arms against his native Virginia. Before the Civil War we didn't really think of ourselves as "Americans", we thought of ourselves according to our home States. Punishing the South further after they'd already been vanquished is not only stupid, it's cruel.

Look at what happened in Europe after WWI because instead of embracing a once enemy (Germany), the European powers instead decided to punish Germany. That ill advised line of thinking just led to an even greater war that cost the lives of millions of more people.

I thank God for the Wisdom of our people after the Civil War to look to forgiveness and charity rather than retribution and recrimination. It was the wisest course of action, and only fools would think otherwise.

[patches70]

A little remembered fact people fail to consider. After the Civil war there were still slaves, in the North. The Emancipation Proclamation applied only to the States in open rebellion. The States of Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, Maryland and Delaware were exempt. Those slaves wouldn't be freed until the passing of the 13th amendment, three years after all the slaves in the South had been freed.

[Qwert]

So administration after 1900 give permision to South states to build monuments and give names of CSA generals and politicians ? And now after 100 years some people find this offensive? I wonder how long drive could be from North to carribean sea when you go across some city and you are offended by street name so you only drive to streets who are not offending you.

Patches USSR had President Gorbachov who manage to dissolve Soviet Union, and USA have President Trump who knows what will happend. If state people are united and want to be secede and become independent i doubt that USA army will start occupation of California for example. Its not all revolution end in civil wars, you have CSSR where people sit and decide to form two country without civil war.

[patches70]

Patches USSR had President Gorbachov who manage to dissolve Soviet Union, and USA have President Trump who knows what will happend. If state people are united and want to be secede and become independent i doubt that USA army will start occupation of California for example. Its not all revolution end in civil wars, you have CSSR where people sit and decide to form two country without civil war.

That is true about the USSR, but the US isn't the USSR, yet. You doubt that violence would occur if California seceded, you may be right. However, I can only go on what's happened in history. Every time a State in the US has tried to secede there has been war. This is the only historical precedent I can go on. Might it be different in the future? It could be. It's also quite possible it'll go the same way all over again.

Either way, you have people like CC Bernie who call the South a bunch of traitors for seceding and yet says nothing about California's recent attempts to secede. To people like Bernie secession is treasonous. I don't think I agree with that line of thinking.
On the idea that a desire to secede is traitorous I don't agree with Bernie at all.
On the idea of actually seceding as in the case of California, I don't know. Undecided I suppose. California politics is so poisonous in my mind I have want them to seceded so we don't have to deal with them, on the other they are also my own countrymen and I bear them no ill will.
On the idea of picking a side in a civil war I freely admit I have no idea on what side I'd fall. I certainly wouldn't want to watch my fellow countrymen getting slaughtered by my nation's own troops or our own troops being put into a position where they have to fight their own countrymen. I also don't want to see my glorious nations split asunder over identity politics, which is cancerous in and of itself and a part of me would fight against such politics.

So administration after 1900 give permision to South states to build monuments and give names of CSA generals and politicians ?

I don't know if "permission" is the right word. Streets are made and are named, a process is used to name those roads. A name is decided. Hospitals, universities, they are private property often and the owners can name them whatever they want. Artists make statues, often commissioned to, so they make them. You can commission an artist to make you whatever you want, all you have to do is find an artist willing to do it. Then you can do whatever you want with that art, or so it goes in the US.

[Bernie Sanders]

no point in talking to bernie,if you dont agree with their views you are a racist,you believe in the american flag your a racist,you believe in the constitution your a racist,if you believe in the bill of rights your a racist,if your against black lives matter your a racist......see thats how the dems view everyone,you dont go with them your a non american....forgot to add couple more things,you support logging your a racist(ffs save a f-en owl wtf ever).You believe everyone has a right to free speech your a racist

Spend some of your so-called hard earned money and upgrade your account.

Free loader!

[karel]

no point in talking to bernie,if you dont agree with their views you are a racist,you believe in the american flag your a racist,you believe in the constitution your a racist,if you believe in the bill of rights your a racist,if your against black lives matter your a racist......see thats how the dems view everyone,you dont go with them your a non american....forgot to add couple more things,you support logging your a racist(ffs save a f-en owl wtf ever).You believe everyone has a right to free speech your a racist

Spend some of your so-called hard earned money and upgrade your account.

Free loader!

f*ck you snow flake dont tell me what to do piss ant,if you are so worried about it then buy it for me,if not shut the f*ck up about it

[Bernie Sanders]

no point in talking to bernie,if you dont agree with their views you are a racist,you believe in the american flag your a racist,you believe in the constitution your a racist,if you believe in the bill of rights your a racist,if your against black lives matter your a racist......see thats how the dems view everyone,you dont go with them your a non american....forgot to add couple more things,you support logging your a racist(ffs save a f-en owl wtf ever).You believe everyone has a right to free speech your a racist

Spend some of your so-called hard earned money and upgrade your account.

Free loader!

f*ck you snow flake dont tell me what to do piss ant,if you are so worried about it then buy it for me,if not shut the f*ck up about it

I can picture your hand extended at some busy street corner begging for money. No job, heh? You are a pathetic lazy cracker.

[karel]

ok obama supporter if you say so,he put more worthless people on welfare then any other prez,i like to work for my money,unlike you lame brain snow flakes,so dont ever tell me what to do,you dont know me,and im glad cuz i would throat punch your lame ass in a sec

[Bernie Sanders]

ok obama supporter if you say so,he put more worthless people on welfare then any other prez,i like to work for my money,unlike you lame brain snow flakes,so dont ever tell me what to do,you dont know me,and im glad cuz i would throat punch your lame ass in a sec

I pity you. You are a hypocrite. You are an uneducated cracker. You are no better than any panhandler who has to beg for change.

Did you have to sell your diseased @ss to get the phone you have to broadcast your ridiculous claims of superiority?

[karel]

ok obama supporter if you say so,he put more worthless people on welfare then any other prez,i like to work for my money,unlike you lame brain snow flakes,so dont ever tell me what to do,you dont know me,and im glad cuz i would throat punch your lame ass in a sec

I pity you. You are a hypocrite. You are an uneducated cracker. You are no better than any panhandler who has to beg for change.

Did you have to sell your diseased @ss to get the phone you have to broadcast your ridiculous claims of superiority?

and your a unamerican,every thing i own i worked for unlike the people in their 20's,you all want to destroy this country at any cost,and cuz for hate then the kkk,liberal piss ant,go cry to your mother now.dont ever tell me about values boy,your kind know nothing about the american way let alone know what a job is,time to cut people like you off public assistance.you have no value or merit,so you should shut the f*ck up,until you know what it takes to be a americvan,man i bet your grand pa's dads dad you be so pissed at what your all trying to do,you know that people died so your lame ass can martch in the streets,and be a free country,but then again your type p[rolly dont give 2 shits about that or history,as you all want a socialist country,and that will never happen,so suck it up cupcake

[mrswdk]

So is it okay to say cracker? Just wondering.

[karel]

So is it okay to say cracker? Just wondering.

yes it is if your a liberal,but heaven forbid if you say buckwheat,uncle tom,if you do you will be labeled as a racist,accorded to the world of bernie