INTO THE DEEP (COMPLETE - Mafia Win !!)

[strike wolf]

Please unvote. We need to think today through.

Tobi was scum aligned but his role would come up town on investigation so that means if we believe Chap, either Skoffin or Rage are scum. Furthermore, if Tobis role works like how it's defined on other sites, he should have known who the scum are but not the opposite way around. Therefore, we can t clear those voting for tobi however ww can give town cred to at least Pika. Possibly Blacky as well but thst came with the catch that if Blacky was scum, TX was going to try to have me lynched the next day so there is some possibility that he would willingly sacrifice one scum to kill the town doc.

I chose to let TX heal Buj as he had promised yesterday to do. So disregarding any weird night time shenanigans, it looks like he is a healer. For my own action. I will only say it looks like someone tried to poison me.

@Rage I am interested in hearing.

Pretty sure Buj and Blacky are the only two who haven't claimed at all. Pika has hinted at his role but has not full claimed. I think the same is true of Skoffin.

@Buj: We're you allowed to take an action last night or did you receive a similar message as to what Blacky said about n2?

Fp'd: So Blacky is claiming that Skoffin is a puffer fish passive healer. Ok. Please stop with all the quick votes.

[Pikanchion]

Also, several have claimed already. TX, chap, me...right? Who are the unclaimed?

One, everyone has already claimed, so what's the point of this one at a time crap?

This is old and some further info has come forward since but my summary post shows quite clearly that even then almost every player who had claimed had only partially claimed. TX AG 90 was the only person I believe to have full claimed at that time (as salinity is confirmed to not be a feature of every player's role PM). Since then everybody has had an additional night action, so even those who may have been fully claimed yesterday would not be so today.

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To chapcrap and certainly to blacky365:

Blurting out information without regard for order and pushing for a quick lynch are both incredibly scummy, anti-Town behaviours. The scummiest people need to claim first and claim fully. The day has just begun and we have no time limit, only scum benefit from rash decisions, and only specific individuals actually learn from partial information. Say you were misdirected or your target was bussed blacky365, why would your night result then be condemnation of your target? Think before you act. Unvote.

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Ordered full claim using the method I described is the best way for this information to be released...

[blacky365]

I have been saying since D3 that Skoff is the scummiest player here, my vote was on her all day and the result of my investigation kinda confirms that. So it is not pushing for a quick lynch on her, it is continuing what i was saying yesterday.

Are you saying I should not have shared this??? i mean WTF? are you scared someone will out you as being Skoffs scum partner if we do not do things exactly your way?
You say the scummiest ppl should claim first... what if they dont? will no one be allowed to speak?

[TX AG 90]

What does this mean:

As confusion takes hold, all head for cover, with no time for directed night actions

Does that mean scum couldn't coordinate a night kill?

[Pikanchion]

I have been saying since D3 that Skoff is the scummiest player here, my vote was on her all day and the result of my investigation kinda confirms that. So it is not pushing for a quick lynch on her, it is continuing what i was saying yesterday.

Voting for somebody before half the players have even posted is very much a quick lynch. Say you, chapcrap, and Skoffin are all Town, scum just need to vote quickly enough together and it's already game over. Nobody should be voting hastily right now.

Are you saying I should not have shared this??? i mean WTF? are you scared someone will out you as being Skoffs scum partner if we do not do things exactly your way?

Yes I am saying you should not have shared this, you've just given out information that everybody now know belongs to an unclaimed role and so Scum lying about their details in future can avoid claiming it. This therefore may have directly lowered the chance of Town winning. Accusing me of being scared that this information comes to light is blatant mischaracterisation given my whole plan is for everybody to full claim.

You say the scummiest ppl should claim first... what if they dont? will no one be allowed to speak?

If somebody doesn't claim on their turn after we have general agreement to the plan (i.e. 6+) they get lynched... It's pretty simple.

[Ragian]

Thank you, Strike. I count that as one person wanting to know what I know.

And yes, blacky, Pika is right. We need caution as the next mistake is our doom.

@strike, what did you mean when you said that Tobi was scum aligned? What am I missing?

[strike wolf]

Tobi's role was a town traitor and the scene flavor even hinted at the fact that he was working as mafia. Traitors vary a little in specifics but generally they are town players who actually are sided with mafia and know of the identities of the mafia members (however the mafia does not know who they are).

And Pika is right. Mafia are the only ones who benefit out of pushing a quick lynch. Especially this late in the game.

[chapcrap]

Wait, what?

So, do you want to try out my result from last night, or...?

I was just saying that revealing our random night actions would be more revelatory than claims that have already happened.

@blacky, with multiple redirections possible, how can you be sure you actually targeted Skoff?

@sw, No, I won't unvote. My vote is on Skoffin unless you can convince me to change it to you or Rage. End of discussion for me.

@Pika, I didn't advocate for blurting out information. I said that you are scummy. I'm not following any of your plans. But, if you want to follow your plan and claim, as the scummiest, go ahead.

What does this mean:

As confusion takes hold, all head for cover, with no time for directed night actions

Does that mean scum couldn't coordinate a night kill?

I was not allowed to choose my night action... I assumed that happened to others as well.


My vote was early in Day 5. It was not hasty.

FP'd by strike. If Tobi was scum aligned, would an investigation on him show town or scum?

[Ragian]

So, I need to be sure here...TX healed BuJ last night, right? BuJ? TX? It's kinda important, guys...

[Ragian]

Tobi's role was a town traitor and the scene flavor even hinted at the fact that he was working as mafia. Traitors vary a little in specifics but generally they are town players who actually are sided with mafia and know of the identities of the mafia members (however the mafia does not know who they are).

And Pika is right. Mafia are the only ones who benefit out of pushing a quick lynch. Especially this late in the game.

I'm an idiot. I think I've even played that role before I just remember it as me flipping red colour rather than blue...

[BuJaber]

I need time to process a few things.

Nobody should be voting yet. Just chill.

Also the mod in the day start message said nobody was able to target anyone with their action. So basically imagine a mass redirect.

I will say that:

A) I was able to take an action. So blacky is already suspect for saying he had to recover from poisoning.
B) I targetted someone other than who I said, just like the mod said.
C) however this time I was told who I ended up targetting
D) most likely explanation for me being alive is TX healed me.

[BuJaber]

Since people already have things to say, following pika's plan is the way to go. That way the information is shared in an orderly manner. If it isn't lylo we kinda hurt ourselves by giving away everything, but I think it's really hard for scum to hide now so we just need to lynch scum now and we should be able to win.

Ftr Tobi probably was the one who redirected me night 2. Doesn't the other redirector claims are all town though.

I nominate blacky to claim first. He's already 70% of the way there, and currently the scummiest from my pov.

[Ragian]

The same thing happened to me. I was able to carry out my action, but in no way did I end up with the people I intended my action for. It's still good, though. I. Just. Really. Need. TX. To. Say. If. He's. A. Healer. (Or confirm if it has already been said...)

[chapcrap]

Since people already have things to say, following pika's plan is the way to go. That way the information is shared in an orderly manner. If it isn't lylo we kinda hurt ourselves by giving away everything, but I think it's really hard for scum to hide now so we just need to lynch scum now and we should be able to win.

Ftr Tobi probably was the one who redirected me night 2. Doesn't the other redirector claims are all town though.

I nominate blacky to claim first. He's already 70% of the way there, and currently the scummiest from my pov.

Don't do it blacky. Pika is scummy, ergo his plan is scummy. BuJ hasn't been confirmed town. And we haven't heard from any healer that his poisoning claim was healed last night.

[ZaBeast]

Don't have time to post much but I will say I didn't like the way blacky hammered. His post looked like someone who preemptively apologized for lynching a townie.
A bit confused by how tobi flipped. Looks like he was mafia aligned but him showing up as town is weird (in the same way I wouldn't expect a godfather to be represented with town colors)
Yes interested in Rage's insight, maybe after we sort out whether there should be a mass claim. I must say I'm conflicted about that, with the duplicate roles going around

[Pikanchion]

Pika is scummy, ergo his plan is scummy.

That's not how logic works.

Is mass claim a good idea, yes or no?

[ZaBeast]

A bit confused by how tobi flipped. Looks like he was mafia aligned but him showing up as town is weird (in the same way I wouldn't expect a godfather to be represented with town colors)

But maybe it makes sense for a role that's mafia-aligned, but not known from them, and can't perform the night kill
btw I don't think scum tobi would have redirected fellow scum. +town cred to pika, BuJ

[blacky365]

Ok, I take previous comments on board and UNVOTE

I don’t mind being wrong and corrected and I would normally put my money where my mouth is and vote for who I feel is scummiest, especially where there are so many power and duplicated roles.

@zab. I voted tobi to get a lynch on someone who was on my maybe list and it was getting close to the deadline. I apologised because I wanted to lynch skoff, also because I don’t like changing my vote every other post.

@buj @chap. I have already claimed today, I’ll let others go first and when it comes my turn I’ll fill in more detail.

@buj. My wording said nothing about redirection so I don’t know. I am taking the mod pm on face value at the moment, if I was redirected then perhaps whoever it is will counterclaim idk

On mob at the mo so can respond more tomorrow

Fp’ By zab

[TX AG 90]

1. I too would like to hear what Ragian found
2. I'm not sure how a mass claim helps. It seems that abilities and alignment don't correspond in this game as much as others.
3. I AM a Healer, but at the last minute, I chose NOT to heal BJ...and if SW didn't, why is BJ still alive...?

[chapcrap]

Everyone who says that BuJ is confirmed town is suspect. I don't know why I have to keep fighting that. Multiple redirectors. One apparently acting as a scum accomplice. There is no confirmation of anything.

[TX AG 90]

Everyone who says that BuJ is confirmed town is suspect. I don't know why I have to keep fighting that. Multiple redirectors. One apparently acting as a scum accomplice. There is no confirmation of anything.

I agree,

The only one I know for sure is town is me. The rest of you are all on my suspects list!

[chapcrap]

Pika is scummy, ergo his plan is scummy.

That's not how logic works.

Is mass claim a good idea, yes or no?

I've already said what I think we should do. Go get your link quote posted as you are wont to do.

Ragian or Skoffin should be lynched. The end. Unless you want to admit you are scum. I'd happily vote you again.

[chapcrap]

I am really just fired up from Day 4. So frustrated. I mean, I guess it was good to lose Tobi if he was acting as scum. But the odds were very much not in town's favor and we lynched a townie. I think everyone really needs to reevaluate from the beginning what they believe of people and their alignments. No one is confirmed town. We barely have any role confirmations (sw and Ragian???) Idk. Going with gut on who is acting scummy has shot in the foot so many times, we'd have to be an octopus to still be walking (flavor joke!).

[Ragian]

Whom do you find more scummy, chap? TX or Blacky?

[Pikanchion]

Pika is scummy, ergo his plan is scummy.

That's not how logic works.

Is mass claim a good idea, yes or no?

I've already said what I think we should do. Go get your link quote posted as you are wont to do.

You argued against it because "everyone has already claimed" which is simply false and said you were fine with "choos[ing] an order to force people to reveal night actions". Every other argument against it you've made was based on not trusting me, so I ask again, do you think a mass claim is a good idea?