Customer @#%$&**^% Service Mafia END Mafia win

[Ragian]

unvote for now. More is to be gotten from this day.

[dgz345]

@dgz, do you feel most comfortable about blacky being bad?

Yes and no the problem is that I feel that he's a power role or scum. So it can also be bad to push him.

But that thought can go in circles. If mafia then knows he's a power role will they kill him at night or will they let him live to make us think he's mafia?

Or is he mafia and will claim cop and the real cop will counter claim?
And then he will get killed.

It's like anything can happen but it's still information that can be gained.

[Ragian]

Here's the thing. Experienced players (perhaps except for dakky) know that you shouldn't claim without being pushed, so him not agreeing with claims doesn't mean (like jmf thinks) that he is something different. It just means that he knows to keep his role to himself in order for scum not to have an easier day killing off power roles.

Let's say that we lynch blacky and he turns scum/town. Who would you say would be scum/town based on blacky's flip?

[dgz345]

Here's the thing. Experienced players (perhaps except for dakky) know that you shouldn't claim without being pushed, so him not agreeing with claims doesn't mean (like jmf thinks) that he is something different. It just means that he knows to keep his role to himself in order for scum not to have an easier day killing off power roles.

Let's say that we lynch blacky and he turns scum/town. Who would you say would be scum/town based on blacky's flip?

He's scum mate could be anyone but I feel that If he flips scum then strike is town

[blacky365]

@Blacky. You weren't exactly disengaged from the flavor yourself. Most of your wanting it to go away seems to come up when you're in the spot light.

Please point me to where I was discussing flavour and using it to point to scumminess?
I dont believe you will find it.

Exactly... u are assuming i have a power role or scum because i asked the question... perhaps i am also a vt and was surprised at the number of vt's already claimed.

You don't seem so sure yourself I am very sure of myself... just not willing to tell you who I am at this point.

And if we are to belive dakky and tobi and including myself being VT

That leaves 6 persons who's alive that has not claimed vt.

And in a regular mafia game I would say there is a cop and a doctor. And maybe 2-3 scum

Exactly, this is why I asked the question, I dont have the experience to know how many VT's would be normal

That would give you a kinda high chance for being power role or scum.

It feels like you over justified your vote on me

I rather have you at L-2 right now to learn more.

VOTE blacky

I am fine with this, so long as others agree...

[Ragian]

I would like to hear Pika's thoughts on the current development. And jmf's thoughts, too.

[Skoffin]

Activity dropping; deadline looming.

[Skoffin]

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Beast --- 2 days
Tobikera ------- >3 days

[Pikanchion]

pika post in skoff game or face consequences

Address me via the proper channel (i.e. this thread) or face the consequences. Also, feel free to respond to any of my recent posts.

What's your role's name by the way?

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I would like to hear Pika's thoughts on the current development. And jmf's thoughts, too.

The thing that strikes me about dgz345 is how well the consistency of the posts correlates with their subject matter. Every time dgz345 speaks about another player there is a contradiction or confusion somewhere, but look at the other posts and it is not only consistent but bread-crumbed (I took that post in particular as a joke which didn't land at the time, but the explanation given for it since seems more plausible). I cannot see somebody playing so sloppily in general while being so consistent about their own claims if those claims are not the truth.

I will say that dgz345's feelings towards Ragian are not far from how I have felt at points during this game:

and im not sure about ragian.

He has a way hes playing "good guy" scum

My gut is saying that ragian is trying to "protect" me cause he knows im not scum. and therefor sound more townie if i would get lynched.

BUT thats just my gut right now.

However, posts like the following come across as entirely genuine to me:

This is ridiculous. No one is saying anything, and no one is doing anything. The stalemate plays into scum hands.

[dgz345]

The thing that strikes me about dgz345 is how well the consistency of the posts correlates with their subject matter. Every time dgz345 speaks about another player there is a contradiction or confusion somewhere, but look at the other posts and it is not only consistent but bread-crumbed (I took that post in particular as a joke which didn't land at the time, but the explanation given for it since seems more plausible). I cannot see somebody playing so sloppily in general while being so consistent about their own claims if those claims are not the truth.

The reason for this is that I'm no mafia veteran. I can't really "read" others so it's mostly on gut feelings. But the facts about me I know. So that's why I can be consistent with the information about me. Because of facts. But I don't have facts about the other players.

I'm more used to play town of Salem. Where it's a bit more emphasis on power roles.

[dgz345]

Agree dakky u already claimed vt so you should be able to say your role name

[dakky21]

Well at least that's easy... I'm Yelling throughout the store for service

[dakky21]

Actually I gave you my role name D1 on page 2... in this post. Just like dgz gave his two posts later

[Tobikera]

I have come back to the same item at least three times now:

Vote against Razorvich: ragoo, chap, pika, dakky, aage, dgz
[jfm replaced chap; aage was night killed.]

I feel town thoughts toward jfm, dakky, and dgz, in that order. But, I've been fooled before.

I'm leaning town on Ragian and am leaning scum on pika. Pika could have what appears to be one of the few power roles for town, and he's protecting that. But, then again, he always acts that way, not sharing, but rather demanding specific info from others. If I was ever scum, I would vote to night kill him out of hand, just on principle.

In order to avoid a no lynch, cascading into a night kill, I am willing to change my mind, but reluctantly.

Other than the above, we haven't heard much from ZaBeast and jfm.

I'm unsure about blacky, but he has been posting.

I'm totally on board now with the negative value of flavor in this game. I kept pondering what the mod could call each scum player. Then it occurred to me they could have names like "looking for a pickpocket" or "chasing after a shop-lifter"....totally consistent with the general naming convention, but totally useless for hunting scum when they could easily create a new false claim name if pressed.

I fear the mod has water on the stove, and it's beginning to boil. Let's fish or cut bait soon.

[Ragian]

@Pika, so your point is that dgz plays sloppily (or poorly or whatever), which makes him town, and yet you have been insisting on lynching others for poor play. What gives?

[jfm10]

Weekend starts tomorrow for me but for now DGZ is not VT but could be townie.I am abit skeptic on keeping him around cause in my opinion he messes with roles which could hurt town.

[Pikanchion]

@Pika, so your point is that dgz plays sloppily (or poorly or whatever), which makes him town, and yet you have been insisting on lynching others for poor play. What gives?

That is a misrepresentation of my reasoning.
1. Claiming for no reason or for a bad reason is a policy lynch, while nothing I can think of dgz345 having done* is.
2. Letting the VT speculation continue leads to VT mass claim situations.
3. Playing sloppily is bad for your team only**, and worse for whichever team that is if you get lynched as a result, claiming VT day one unforced is always bad for Town if Town does not lynch for it.

*Regardless of whether one adheres to lynch all liars or not, lying requires intent, and I think the change in consistency between subjects is evidence that this is not a result of intent but laziness.
**Such play, while aggravating, actually tends to make somebody easier to read which can help Town regardless of which side the player is on.

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I'm leaning town on Ragian and am leaning scum on pika. Pika could have what appears to be one of the few power roles for town, and he's protecting that. But, then again, he always acts that way, not sharing, but rather demanding specific info from others. If I was ever scum, I would vote to night kill him out of hand, just on principle.

When I do that I do it for a reason, as I've shown the only time I was actually questioned about why I asked one of these questions... That last line in particular could be interpreted as you not wanting to play on the opposite team as me because you accept it as an effective method ;)

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Weekend starts tomorrow for me but for now DGZ is not VT but could be townie.I am abit skeptic on keeping him around cause in my opinion he messes with roles which could hurt town.

That's a direct contradiction to what dgz345 has claimed though, why do you think this and why are you not then certain that dgz345 is scum for lying about it?

And if we are to belive dakky and tobi and including myself being VT

That leaves 6 persons who's alive that has not claimed vt.

[jfm10]

Dakky is my sibling,that i am positive.The more I ponder on DGZ the more he appears to be the best choice.I am getting the impression that ragian and DGZ could be the scum the way ragian went after him and then jumps off the vote.

unvote

vote DGZ

[dakky21]

while flavor is not intended to make a difference I still think DGZ is town. His role name (while still flavor) is too similar to mine or Razors... aage's name was a bit different but that explains it all, role name is just flavor. Nothing important. But I find DGZ play as townish and he is now again on L-1 so I will

unvote

[dakky21]

To be honest, I think at this point Pika & Ragian are scum (blacky possible as 3rd). I already voted Pika and had vote on him for some time, so excuse me for going back that road.

Vote Pika

[ZaBeast]

The thing that strikes me about dgz345 is how well the consistency of the posts correlates with their subject matter. Every time dgz345 speaks about another player there is a contradiction or confusion somewhere, but look at the other posts and it is not only consistent but bread-crumbed (I took that post in particular as a joke which didn't land at the time, but the explanation given for it since seems more plausible). I cannot see somebody playing so sloppily in general while being so consistent about their own claims if those claims are not the truth.

*Regardless of whether one adheres to lynch all liars or not, lying requires intent, and I think the change in consistency between subjects is evidence that this is not a result of intent but laziness.

So you believe the flavor about his role is correct based on him being consistent about it. Fine, but I don't see how that makes him not scummy. In the second one you say the fact he's been inconsistent when speaking about other people and the fact he's been consistent when talking about his role makes it clear that he's not trying to lie but is just lazy, which is the part of your argument I just don't get. Are you saying he's playing scummily because he's not putting as much effort in the game as he should be (which I think would be scummy), that he looks scummy but isn't necessarily, or that his play somehow makes him town?

And if we are to belive dakky and tobi and including myself being VT

That leaves 6 persons who's alive that has not claimed vt.

And in a regular mafia game I would say there is a cop and a doctor. And maybe 2-3 scum

That would give you a kinda high chance for being power role or scum.

You could say that all the claimed VTs have a 100% chance of being VT or scum though. How is blacky maybe being a PR a reason to try to get him lynched?

I feel town thoughts toward jfm, dakky, and dgz, in that order. But, I've been fooled before.

I'm leaning town on Ragian and am leaning scum on pika. Pika could have what appears to be one of the few power roles for town, and he's protecting that. But, then again, he always acts that way, not sharing, but rather demanding specific info from others. If I was ever scum, I would vote to night kill him out of hand, just on principle.

Where would Ragian place in the first set of town reads?

[dgz345]

Unvote

[Ragian]

Dakky is my sibling,that i am positive.The more I ponder on DGZ the more he appears to be the best choice.I am getting the impression that ragian and DGZ could be the scum the way ragian went after him and then jumps off the vote.

unvote

vote DGZ

So, then, by that logic, dakky is our scum partner too?

while flavor is not intended to make a difference I still think DGZ is town. His role name (while still flavor) is too similar to mine or Razors... aage's name was a bit different but that explains it all, role name is just flavor. Nothing important. But I find DGZ play as townish and he is now again on L-1 so I will

unvote

[dgz345]

Weekend starts tomorrow for me but for now DGZ is not VT but could be townie.I am abit skeptic on keeping him around cause in my opinion he messes with roles which could hurt town.

Why am I not VT?

Could you share this with us?

[dgz345]

I wanna push jfm or beast to L-2 for information.

But anyone else that wants that?