Girl admits to lying about sixth grade classmates cutting off her dreadlocks
A 12-year-old black girl from Virginia has recanted an accusation that her white sixth grade classmates pinned her down and cut off her dreadlocks, her family said in a statement Monday. Stephen Danish, the head of Immanuel Christian School, also confirmed the allegations were false.
Following an investigation by the Fairfax County Police Department, Danish said Amari Allen, the student who accused three of her classmates of assault, acknowledged the accusations were not true.
"While we are relieved to hear the truth and bring the events of the past few days to a close, we also feel tremendous pain for the victims and the hurt on both sides of this conflict," he said. "We recognize that we now enter what will be a long season of healing."
On the one hand, my gut reaction is that the punishment for lying and making something like this up should be as bad as the punishment the wrongly accused kids would have received. The problem is that could have effects we don’t factor...
*First, there’d be incentive to continue the lie and disincentive to come clean... and that could cause the wrongly accused more harm.
*Second, it could cause other people who actually have been victims to fear coming forward because they might (wrongly) fear punishment if they aren’t believed.
It’ll be interesting to see (if they publish It) ‘why’ the girl said these kids did that to her.
Is she just disturbed and looking for attention? Is she trying to get back at these kids for some other ‘wrong’? If the latter, is this alleged ‘wrong’ something serious or just normal kid stuff? Society has definitely taken the “no bully” movement pretty far. It’s horrible when a kid is seriously bullied... but kids can’t even play dodgeball in some schools because it’s “competitive” and is a “mask for bullying”. Ugh.
A.P. - A white former Dallas police officer who shot her black unarmed neighbor to death after, she said, mistaking his apartment for her own was convicted of murder Tuesday.
The basic facts of the unusual shooting were not in dispute throughout the trial. After a long shift at work and still in uniform, Guyger walked up to Jean’s apartment — which was on the fourth floor, directly above hers on the third — and found the door unlocked. Thinking the apartment was her own, she drew her service weapon and entered.
Jean, an accountant from the Caribbean island nation of St. Lucia, had been eating a bowl of ice cream when Guyger entered his home and shot him.
The shooting drew widespread attention because of the strange circumstances and because it was one in a string of shootings of unarmed black men by white police officers.
“A 26-year-old college-educated black man, certified public accountant, working for one of the big three accounting firms in the world … it shouldn’t take all of that for unarmed black and brown people in America to get justice,” Benjamin Crump, one of the lawyers for Jean’s family, said at a news conference Tuesday.
WILLIAMS5232 wrote:
as far as dukasaur goes, i had no idea you were so goofy. i mean, you hate your parents so much you'd wish they'd been shot? just move out bro.
mookiemcgee wrote:A.P. - A white former Dallas police officer who shot her black unarmed neighbor to death after, she said, mistaking his apartment for her own was convicted of murder Tuesday.
The basic facts of the unusual shooting were not in dispute throughout the trial. After a long shift at work and still in uniform, Guyger walked up to Jean’s apartment — which was on the fourth floor, directly above hers on the third — and found the door unlocked. Thinking the apartment was her own, she drew her service weapon and entered.
Jean, an accountant from the Caribbean island nation of St. Lucia, had been eating a bowl of ice cream when Guyger entered his home and shot him.
The shooting drew widespread attention because of the strange circumstances and because it was one in a string of shootings of unarmed black men by white police officers.
“A 26-year-old college-educated black man, certified public accountant, working for one of the big three accounting firms in the world … it shouldn’t take all of that for unarmed black and brown people in America to get justice,” Benjamin Crump, one of the lawyers for Jean’s family, said at a news conference Tuesday.
Interesting they felt the need to specify the ethnicity of the two people in this story, when it doesn't sound like there is any reason whatsoever to think their ethnicity had any influence on events.
mookiemcgee wrote:A.P. - A white former Dallas police officer who shot her black unarmed neighbor to death after, she said, mistaking his apartment for her own was convicted of murder Tuesday.
The basic facts of the unusual shooting were not in dispute throughout the trial. After a long shift at work and still in uniform, Guyger walked up to Jean’s apartment — which was on the fourth floor, directly above hers on the third — and found the door unlocked. Thinking the apartment was her own, she drew her service weapon and entered.
Jean, an accountant from the Caribbean island nation of St. Lucia, had been eating a bowl of ice cream when Guyger entered his home and shot him.
The shooting drew widespread attention because of the strange circumstances and because it was one in a string of shootings of unarmed black men by white police officers.
“A 26-year-old college-educated black man, certified public accountant, working for one of the big three accounting firms in the world … it shouldn’t take all of that for unarmed black and brown people in America to get justice,” Benjamin Crump, one of the lawyers for Jean’s family, said at a news conference Tuesday.
Interesting they felt the need to specify the ethnicity of the two people in this story, when it doesn't sound like there is any reason whatsoever to think their ethnicity had any influence on events.
You don't think so? I think it's entirely possible that if she found a white man in what she thought was her apartment, she might have taken the time to ask who he was before shooting him.
“Life is a shipwreck, but we must not forget to sing in the lifeboats.”
― Voltaire
I think that is speculation and it's pretty unfair to suppose that about her in the absence of any evidence suggesting she would have treated a white man differently.
mrswdk wrote:I think that is speculation and it's pretty unfair to suppose that about her in the absence of any evidence suggesting she would have treated a white man differently.
I don't know if it the case. I've only read a handful of newspaper reports and they showed as little detail as the one that was posted.
So, maybe, maybe not. Yes it's speculation, but very plausible.
“Life is a shipwreck, but we must not forget to sing in the lifeboats.”
― Voltaire
mrswdk wrote:I think that is speculation and it's pretty unfair to suppose that about her in the absence of any evidence suggesting she would have treated a white man differently.
I don't know if it the case. I've only read a handful of newspaper reports and they showed as little detail as the one that was posted.
So, maybe, maybe not. Yes it's speculation, but very plausible.
i.e. they showed no details that indicated the police officer treated the victim how she did due to his ethnicity
I think whenever people on here disagree with me it is because I am Chinese. If I was white, they would probably take the time to consider my points of view slightly more carefully and probably agree with me quite often.
Hey nvm I can get on board with all this sexy racism.
mrswdk wrote:I think that is speculation and it's pretty unfair to suppose that about her in the absence of any evidence suggesting she would have treated a white man differently.
I don't know if it the case. I've only read a handful of newspaper reports and they showed as little detail as the one that was posted.
So, maybe, maybe not. Yes it's speculation, but very plausible.
i.e. they showed no details that indicated the police officer treated the victim how she did due to his ethnicity
Do you feel the same way about the OP story? The girl at school who lied? The article also goes out of its way to point out race of both parties, and nothing in the story itself implies race was a motivating factor (also I agree with Duk, if it was a white man on her couch she likely wouldn't have shot him so readily)
WILLIAMS5232 wrote:
as far as dukasaur goes, i had no idea you were so goofy. i mean, you hate your parents so much you'd wish they'd been shot? just move out bro.
mrswdk wrote:I think that is speculation and it's pretty unfair to suppose that about her in the absence of any evidence suggesting she would have treated a white man differently.
I don't know if it the case. I've only read a handful of newspaper reports and they showed as little detail as the one that was posted.
So, maybe, maybe not. Yes it's speculation, but very plausible.
i.e. they showed no details that indicated the police officer treated the victim how she did due to his ethnicity
Do you feel the same way about the OP story? The girl at school who lied? The article also goes out of its way to point out race of both parties, and nothing in the story itself implies race was a motivating factor (also I agree with Duk, if it was a white man on her couch she likely wouldn't have shot him so readily)
In the made-up school story, the girl said that when those boys cut off her hair one of the things they said to her was 'nappy' - which according to Google is a racist term used by some in America to refer to black people's hair. So in that story yes, it sounded like it was a factor (although possibly not the only factor). Although that story was fake anyway.
Whereas in the story about the guy being shot in his home, none of the stories say anything that suggest his ethnicity might have been a factor.
jimboston wrote:*First, there’d be incentive to continue the lie and disincentive to come clean... and that could cause the wrongly accused more harm.
lol this is one of the biggest piles of bullshit I've ever heard. Or horseshit depending on your persuasion.
For the girl in the story, whatever. Kids will be kids; some sort of punishment should be meted out i suppose, if only to teach her to consider how her actions affect others. Largely it's only partially her fault as social media probably subjects her daily to the popular "white people are bad" justifications you see all over the place.
The more concerning issue is what you said. I see that same sentiment all the time whenever it comes out that some woman lied about a sexual assault accusation. Like, people generally believe if a person tries to ruin another's life they shouldn't face the consequences because then other liars might not recant their lie on the slight chance they'll grow a fucking conscience.
mrswdk wrote:I think that is speculation and it's pretty unfair to suppose that about her in the absence of any evidence suggesting she would have treated a white man differently.
I don't know if it the case. I've only read a handful of newspaper reports and they showed as little detail as the one that was posted.
So, maybe, maybe not. Yes it's speculation, but very plausible.
i.e. they showed no details that indicated the police officer treated the victim how she did due to his ethnicity
Do you feel the same way about the OP story? The girl at school who lied? The article also goes out of its way to point out race of both parties, and nothing in the story itself implies race was a motivating factor (also I agree with Duk, if it was a white man on her couch she likely wouldn't have shot him so readily)
In the made-up school story, the girl said that when those boys cut off her hair one of the things they said to her was 'nappy' - which according to Google is a racist term used by some in America to refer to black people's hair. So in that story yes, it sounded like it was a factor (although possibly not the only factor). Although that story was fake anyway.
Whereas in the story about the guy being shot in his home, none of the stories say anything that suggest his ethnicity might have been a factor.
According to your post nothing in the school girl story suggested race was a factor... You googled Nappy and determined on your own you felt that was a race related term. I don't think you are applying the same standard here.
WILLIAMS5232 wrote:
as far as dukasaur goes, i had no idea you were so goofy. i mean, you hate your parents so much you'd wish they'd been shot? just move out bro.
jimboston wrote:*First, there’d be incentive to continue the lie and disincentive to come clean... and that could cause the wrongly accused more harm.
lol this is one of the biggest piles of bullshit I've ever heard. Or horseshit depending on your persuasion.
For the girl in the story, whatever. Kids will be kids; some sort of punishment should be meted out i suppose, if only to teach her to consider how her actions affect others. Largely it's only partially her fault as social media probably subjects her daily to the popular "white people are bad" justifications you see all over the place.
The more concerning issue is what you said. I see that same sentiment all the time whenever it comes out that some woman lied about a sexual assault accusation. Like, people generally believe if a person tries to ruin another's life they shouldn't face the consequences because then other liars might not recant their lie on the slight chance they'll grow a fucking conscience.
lol. I don't think anyone is saying that people who lie about being raped shouldn't be punished for the lie. I don't know about the US but in the UK you have all sorts of laws about perverting the cause of justice, wasting police time etc. that could be thrown at someone who is found to have invented a fictional crime.
You should stop using all those straws, the plastic is bad for the environment.
mrswdk wrote:In the made-up school story, the girl said that when those boys cut off her hair one of the things they said to her was 'nappy' - which according to Google is a racist term used by some in America to refer to black people's hair. So in that story yes, it sounded like it was a factor (although possibly not the only factor). Although that story was fake anyway.
According to your post nothing in the school girl story suggested race was a factor...
Wrong. According to my post the use of the word 'nappy' by the other kids suggested race was a factor. Highlighted in green above.
You googled Nappy and determined on your own you felt that was a race related term.
Wrong again. I Googled 'nappy' and determined based on Google explicitly telling me it was racist that it is racist. Highlighted in red above. I see what you're attempting though. 'It's a racist word but you don't know they meant it in a racist way.' Sure buddy.
In any case this whole discussion about the school girl is a total straw man. I said there was nothing in the home invasion story to suggest the shooter was motivated by ethnicity, and rather than discuss that point you have for some reason diverted the discussion towards the story about the school girl. Going back to the home invasion story: I said there is nothing in the story that suggests she was motivated by race, and given that you haven't actually disputed that at all I'm going to have to assume you agree with me?
Nappy isn't any more racist than curly or straight, is a descriptor.
mrswdk wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
jimboston wrote:*First, there’d be incentive to continue the lie and disincentive to come clean... and that could cause the wrongly accused more harm.
lol this is one of the biggest piles of bullshit I've ever heard. Or horseshit depending on your persuasion.
For the girl in the story, whatever. Kids will be kids; some sort of punishment should be meted out i suppose, if only to teach her to consider how her actions affect others. Largely it's only partially her fault as social media probably subjects her daily to the popular "white people are bad" justifications you see all over the place.
The more concerning issue is what you said. I see that same sentiment all the time whenever it comes out that some woman lied about a sexual assault accusation. Like, people generally believe if a person tries to ruin another's life they shouldn't face the consequences because then other liars might not recant their lie on the slight chance they'll grow a fucking conscience.
lol. I don't think anyone is saying that people who lie about being raped shouldn't be punished for the lie. I don't know about the US but in the UK you have all sorts of laws about perverting the cause of justice, wasting police time etc. that could be thrown at someone who is found to have invented a fictional crime.
You should stop using all those straws, the plastic is bad for the environment.
If you want to believe that it's your prerogative. Every time you read an article about false accusations i can pretty much guarantee people say the exact same thing jimboston said. It's not like he came up with that, I've seen it many, many times.
mrswdk wrote:I think that is speculation and it's pretty unfair to suppose that about her in the absence of any evidence suggesting she would have treated a white man differently.
I don't know if it the case. I've only read a handful of newspaper reports and they showed as little detail as the one that was posted.
So, maybe, maybe not. Yes it's speculation, but very plausible.
i.e. they showed no details that indicated the police officer treated the victim how she did due to his ethnicity
Do you feel the same way about the OP story? The girl at school who lied? The article also goes out of its way to point out race of both parties, and nothing in the story itself implies race was a motivating factor (also I agree with Duk, if it was a white man on her couch she likely wouldn't have shot him so readily)
There’s absolutely no way. of knowing how she would react to a man of a different color. Any man ‘invading your apartment’ would be a threat, no?
That said... she probably should have asked a question or two first.
Unless she has a documented history or racist actions or remarks, it;s unfair to make this assumption.
She got convicted and is going to jail.
This case is completely unrelated in any way to the girl falsely accusing schoolmates of cutting her hair.
mrswdk wrote:I think that is speculation and it's pretty unfair to suppose that about her in the absence of any evidence suggesting she would have treated a white man differently.
I don't know if it the case. I've only read a handful of newspaper reports and they showed as little detail as the one that was posted.
So, maybe, maybe not. Yes it's speculation, but very plausible.
i.e. they showed no details that indicated the police officer treated the victim how she did due to his ethnicity
Do you feel the same way about the OP story? The girl at school who lied? The article also goes out of its way to point out race of both parties, and nothing in the story itself implies race was a motivating factor (also I agree with Duk, if it was a white man on her couch she likely wouldn't have shot him so readily)
There’s absolutely no way. of knowing how she would react to a man of a different color. Any man ‘invading your apartment’ would be a threat, no?
That said... she probably should have asked a question or two first.
Unless she has a documented history or racist actions or remarks, it;s unfair to make this assumption.
She got convicted and is going to jail.
This case is completely unrelated in any way to the girl falsely accusing schoolmates of cutting her hair.
mrswdk wrote:I think that is speculation and it's pretty unfair to suppose that about her in the absence of any evidence suggesting she would have treated a white man differently.
I don't know if it the case. I've only read a handful of newspaper reports and they showed as little detail as the one that was posted.
So, maybe, maybe not. Yes it's speculation, but very plausible.
i.e. they showed no details that indicated the police officer treated the victim how she did due to his ethnicity
Do you feel the same way about the OP story? The girl at school who lied? The article also goes out of its way to point out race of both parties, and nothing in the story itself implies race was a motivating factor (also I agree with Duk, if it was a white man on her couch she likely wouldn't have shot him so readily)
There’s absolutely no way. of knowing how she would react to a man of a different color. Any man ‘invading your apartment’ would be a threat, no?
That said... she probably should have asked a question or two first.
Unless she has a documented history or racist actions or remarks, it;s unfair to make this assumption.
She got convicted and is going to jail.
This case is completely unrelated in any way to the girl falsely accusing schoolmates of cutting her hair.
jim hits the nail on the head. Trust jimboston!
There is absolutely no way of knowing if this girl at school would have made up the same lie about black kids if it were black kids she had a bone to pick with. What is for certain is that a black girl making up a lie about black kids, never would have made national news. The same is true for this story about the officer walking into someone else's apartment and killing them. if it wasn't a white female officer, killing a black man in his own home, It almost certainly would not have been among the top stories for the past year.
You have to make similar assumptions in either story about someones state of mind and intent in order to make them about race.
WILLIAMS5232 wrote:
as far as dukasaur goes, i had no idea you were so goofy. i mean, you hate your parents so much you'd wish they'd been shot? just move out bro.
mookiemcgee wrote:You have to make similar assumptions in either story about someones state of mind and intent in order to make them about race.
Yes, you have to make a very big assumption because there is nothing at all in the chain of events reported that suggests the shooter would have treated a white man different in those same circumstances. What grounds do you have for saying 'if it was a white man on her couch she likely wouldn't have shot him so readily'?
mookiemcgee wrote:You have to make similar assumptions in either story about someones state of mind and intent in order to make them about race.
Yes, you have to make a very big assumption because there is nothing at all in the chain of events reported that suggests the shooter would have treated a white man different in those same circumstances. What grounds do you have for saying 'if it was a white man on her couch she likely wouldn't have shot him so readily'?
The point here isn't about my personal assumptions about either story, I'm just suggesting if the OP calling the first story a "Hate Hoax", then the second story I presented must be a 'Hate Crime'. That or both stories really have little to do with race and the media hasn't shown any bias, and they are both just tragic stories of people making mistakes.
My personal feeling(and I provide this with no facts, just opinion) is that both stories have racial elements to them, but neither one is truly about race. The first is about a young girl who lied, the second is about a cop who shot a man in his own home.
WILLIAMS5232 wrote:
as far as dukasaur goes, i had no idea you were so goofy. i mean, you hate your parents so much you'd wish they'd been shot? just move out bro.
mookiemcgee wrote:My personal feeling is that... neither one is truly about race. The first is about a young girl who lied, the second is about a cop who shot a man in his own home.
So we agree. Don't know why you had to make that so difficult.
mookiemcgee wrote:My personal feeling is that... neither one is truly about race. The first is about a young girl who lied, the second is about a cop who shot a man in his own home.
So we agree. Don't know why you had to make that so difficult.
I'm glad to hear you agree neither case is about race, perhaps I had mistakenly understood you felt the little girls case was about race.
My posts have mainly been directed towards the always inflammatory OP.
WILLIAMS5232 wrote:
as far as dukasaur goes, i had no idea you were so goofy. i mean, you hate your parents so much you'd wish they'd been shot? just move out bro.
the difference is 1 actually happened -> the white cop walked into the wrong apartment and shot someone.. who just happened to be black.. the officer didn't chose for the victim to be black.. he just was..
the other was an intentional fabricated lie a black girl created involving 3 white kids..
she could have easily said 3 black kids, 3 Latino kids.. a mixed group of 1 white kid , a black kid & an Asian... or just not even mentioned race at all.. she could have said it was 2 Emo's & a Transgender... she was free to make up whatever she wanted too..
but she chose to say it was specifically 3 white kids.. making it about Race... & not about anything else
