DeathCoil and EEEE4 Secret Diplomacy [ka]

[iAmCaffeine]

Accused:
DeathCoil
EEEE4

The accused are suspected of:
Conducting Secret Diplomacy

Game number(s):
Game 19812203
Game 19812218
Game 19812214
Game 19796068

Comments:
I assume these two players are friends or family members. They have played 108 games of 4 player Classic, in which DeathCoil has won 26 and EEEE4 has won 32, whilst other players have won 50. So over half those games are won by one of the accused. They have also played 153 1v1 games in which it seems they play as you would expect. They have very recently started playing doubles together, with 5 finished and another 10 active or waiting.

Looking through some of their recent games, I have very little doubt that these two players favour each other. There seems to be a general pattern of not attacking each other early unless for a bonus or absolutely necessary for a card. I went through multiple games and couldn't find a single one where one player was eliminated first, unless by another player not involved in the collusion.

Game 19812203 is a particularly more blatant example. I suspect that since one player deadbeated and the other was a new recruit, they just decided to 2v1 as both players only attacked yellow for the vast majority of the game.

In Game 19812218 it would seem EEEE4 threw the game for DeathCoil for whatever reason.

Maybe not the nicest of chaps either: Game 9412494. I actually think you could make a separate case for DeathCoil's ratings abuse.

In Game 19796059 it seems SleepingBeauty calls them out for working together, and does so again in Game 19796062 and receives a rather poor rating as a result.

I've known about this pair for a little while but wasn't 100% sure. I had time to do some digging recently and think they need to be warned and blocked. Let them play team games.

[DBandit70]

They have played 108 games of 4 player Classic, in which DeathCoil has won 26 and EEEE4 has won 32, whilst other players have won 50.

doubt there having secret diplomacy because on average each player should win 27 of the games, and they are basically right at average so i defiantly don't think that theres anything wrong with them

the accused should of won 54 and they won 58 so just above average and everyone knows that nothings exactually average.

[iAmCaffeine]

If you go and read logs of the games it is clear that they favour each other in games. Just because their numbers aren’t super high doesn’t change that, it just means they aren’t very good.

Try actually looking at it properly before repeating the basic surface info I’ve already gotten, and saying average 26 times per minute.

[DeathCoil]

"I assume these two players are friends or family members"

This is the only correct statement.

There have been some games, actually, a lot, recently, where there would be one deadbeat, so technically a 2/4 expectancy isn't even correct.




In one of the games you provided ( https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19796059 )

2020-03-31 17:53:04 - EEEE4 eliminated DeathCoil from the game

2020-04-01 12:01:38 - Sleeping_Beauty: So, you guys are definetely plotting against me hahha
2020-04-01 12:06:16 - Sleeping_Beauty: No way green is that bad
2020-04-01 12:07:30 - Sleeping_Beauty: How come none never report on you before?

This was yellow talking to green/blue. I was already eliminated at that point. Ironically, by EEEE4. I actually didn't even realise I/we played against this player twice.



Bigger log:

2020-03-31 17:53:04 - EEEE4 eliminated DeathCoil from the game
2020-03-31 17:53:31 - EEEE4 assaulted Magadan from Yakutsk and conquered it from Sleeping_Beauty
2020-03-31 17:54:33 - EEEE4 assaulted Dakar from Sao Paulo and conquered it from Sleeping_Beauty
2020-03-31 17:55:01 - EEEE4 ended the turn and got spoils
2020-03-31 19:28:58 - bermanap received 2 troops for holding Oceania
2020-03-31 19:28:58 - bermanap received 4 troops for 13 regions
2020-03-31 19:29:05 - bermanap played a set of Perth, Bangkok, and Tokyo worth 6 troops
2020-03-31 19:29:05 - bermanap got bonus of 2 troops added to Perth
2020-03-31 19:29:05 - bermanap got bonus of 2 troops added to Bangkok
2020-03-31 19:29:31 - bermanap deployed 12 troops on Vancouver
2020-03-31 19:29:33 - bermanap assaulted Anchorage from Vancouver and conquered it from Sleeping_Beauty
2020-03-31 19:29:44 - bermanap reinforced Mexico City with 6 troops from Anchorage
2020-03-31 19:29:44 - bermanap ended the turn and got spoils
2020-04-01 03:04:17 - Sleeping_Beauty received 3 troops for 7 regions
2020-04-01 03:04:20 - Sleeping_Beauty deployed 3 troops on Dubai
2020-04-01 03:04:26 - Sleeping_Beauty assaulted Delhi from Dubai and conquered it from EEEE4
2020-04-01 03:07:32 - Sleeping_Beauty ended the turn and got spoils
2020-04-01 03:07:32 - Incrementing game to round 9
2020-04-01 06:16:53 - EEEE4 received 2 troops for holding South America
2020-04-01 06:16:53 - EEEE4 received 6 troops for 19 regions
2020-04-01 06:16:59 - EEEE4 deployed 4 troops on London
2020-04-01 06:17:01 - EEEE4 deployed 4 troops on Dakar
2020-04-01 06:17:06 - EEEE4 assaulted Mexico City from Bogota and conquered it from bermanap
2020-04-01 06:17:25 - EEEE4 reinforced Hong Kong with 19 troops from Dakar
2020-04-01 06:17:25 - EEEE4 ended the turn and got spoils
2020-04-01 07:34:55 - bermanap received 2 troops for holding Oceania
2020-04-01 07:34:55 - bermanap received 4 troops for 13 regions
2020-04-01 07:35:07 - bermanap deployed 6 troops on Bangkok
2020-04-01 07:35:23 - bermanap assaulted Magadan from Anchorage and conquered it from EEEE4
2020-04-01 07:35:33 - bermanap reinforced Bangkok with 2 troops from Perth
2020-04-01 07:35:33 - bermanap ended the turn and got spoils
2020-04-01 08:00:48 - Sleeping_Beauty received 3 troops for 8 regions
2020-04-01 08:01:02 - Sleeping_Beauty played a set of New York, Dakar, and Jakarta worth 8 troops
2020-04-01 08:01:13 - Sleeping_Beauty deployed 11 troops on Cairo
2020-04-01 08:01:18 - Sleeping_Beauty assaulted Dakar from Cairo and conquered it from EEEE4
2020-04-01 08:01:38 - Sleeping_Beauty assaulted Sao Paulo from Dakar and conquered it from EEEE4
2020-04-01 08:02:50 - Sleeping_Beauty assaulted Istanbul from Dubai and conquered it from EEEE4
2020-04-01 08:04:12 - Sleeping_Beauty reinforced Cairo with 3 troops from Dakar
2020-04-01 08:04:12 - Sleeping_Beauty ended the turn and got spoils
2020-04-01 08:04:12 - Incrementing game to round 10
2020-04-01 08:59:22 - EEEE4 received 5 troops for 16 regions
2020-04-01 08:59:26 - EEEE4 played a set of Bogota, Buenos Aires, and Montreal worth 10 troops
2020-04-01 08:59:26 - EEEE4 got bonus of 2 troops added to Bogota
2020-04-01 08:59:26 - EEEE4 got bonus of 2 troops added to Buenos Aires
2020-04-01 09:00:04 - EEEE4 deployed 15 troops on Buenos Aires
2020-04-01 09:00:08 - EEEE4 assaulted Sao Paulo from Buenos Aires and conquered it from Sleeping_Beauty
2020-04-01 09:00:41 - EEEE4 reinforced Sao Paulo with 2 troops from Bogota
2020-04-01 09:00:41 - EEEE4 ended the turn and got spoils
2020-04-01 09:04:37 - bermanap received 2 troops for holding Oceania
2020-04-01 09:04:37 - bermanap received 4 troops for 14 regions
2020-04-01 09:04:47 - bermanap deployed 6 troops on Havana
2020-04-01 09:04:50 - bermanap assaulted Mexico City from Havana and conquered it from EEEE4
2020-04-01 09:05:00 - bermanap reinforced Mexico City with 2 troops from Montreal
2020-04-01 09:05:00 - bermanap ended the turn and got spoils
2020-04-01 10:15:40 - Sleeping_Beauty received 3 troops for holding Africa
2020-04-01 10:15:40 - Sleeping_Beauty received 3 troops for 10 regions
2020-04-01 10:16:02 - Sleeping_Beauty deployed 6 troops on Dakar
2020-04-01 10:16:12 - Sleeping_Beauty assaulted Madrid from Dakar and conquered it from EEEE4
2020-04-01 10:16:37 - Sleeping_Beauty ended the turn and got spoils
2020-04-01 10:16:37 - Incrementing game to round 11
2020-04-01 10:32:41 - EEEE4 received 2 troops for holding South America
2020-04-01 10:32:41 - EEEE4 received 5 troops for 15 regions
2020-04-01 10:32:56 - EEEE4 deployed 7 troops on Hong Kong
2020-04-01 10:33:01 - EEEE4 assaulted Delhi from Hong Kong and conquered it from Sleeping_Beauty
2020-04-01 10:33:11 - EEEE4 ended the turn and got spoils
2020-04-01 10:52:10 - bermanap received 5 troops for holding North America
2020-04-01 10:52:10 - bermanap received 2 troops for holding Oceania
2020-04-01 10:52:10 - bermanap received 5 troops for 15 regions
2020-04-01 10:52:25 - bermanap deployed 4 troops on Bangkok
2020-04-01 10:52:32 - bermanap deployed 4 troops on Anchorage
2020-04-01 10:52:38 - bermanap deployed 4 troops on Montreal
2020-04-01 10:52:40 - bermanap assaulted Reykjavik from Montreal and conquered it from Sleeping_Beauty
2020-04-01 10:53:00 - bermanap ended the turn and got spoils
2020-04-01 11:01:53 - Sleeping_Beauty received 3 troops for holding Africa
2020-04-01 11:01:53 - Sleeping_Beauty received 3 troops for 9 regions
2020-04-01 11:02:32 - Sleeping_Beauty deployed 2 troops on Dubai
2020-04-01 11:02:41 - Sleeping_Beauty deployed 4 troops on Istanbul
2020-04-01 11:02:44 - Sleeping_Beauty assaulted Berlin from Istanbul and conquered it from EEEE4
2020-04-01 11:03:05 - Sleeping_Beauty reinforced Dakar with 2 troops from Istanbul
2020-04-01 11:03:05 - Sleeping_Beauty ended the turn and got spoils
2020-04-01 11:03:05 - Incrementing game to round 12
2020-04-01 11:10:18 - EEEE4 received 2 troops for holding South America
2020-04-01 11:10:18 - EEEE4 received 5 troops for 15 regions
2020-04-01 11:10:27 - EEEE4 played a set of Lagos, Sydney, and Perth worth 8 troops
2020-04-01 11:10:35 - EEEE4 deployed 15 troops on Tokyo
2020-04-01 11:10:38 - EEEE4 assaulted Magadan from Tokyo and conquered it from bermanap
2020-04-01 11:10:48 - EEEE4 reinforced Hong Kong with 14 troops from Tokyo
2020-04-01 11:10:48 - EEEE4 ended the turn and got spoils
2020-04-01 11:19:39 - bermanap received 5 troops for holding North America
2020-04-01 11:19:39 - bermanap received 2 troops for holding Oceania
2020-04-01 11:19:39 - bermanap received 5 troops for 15 regions
2020-04-01 11:19:45 - bermanap played a set of Nairobi, New York, and Magadan worth 8 troops
2020-04-01 11:19:45 - bermanap got bonus of 2 troops added to New York
2020-04-01 11:19:54 - bermanap deployed 20 troops on Bangkok
2020-04-01 11:20:05 - bermanap assaulted Hong Kong from Bangkok and conquered it from EEEE4
2020-04-01 11:20:36 - bermanap ended the turn and got spoils
2020-04-01 11:24:59 - Sleeping_Beauty received 3 troops for holding Africa
2020-04-01 11:24:59 - Sleeping_Beauty received 3 troops for 10 regions
2020-04-01 11:25:11 - Sleeping_Beauty played a set of Cape Town, Cairo, and Mexico City worth 6 troops
2020-04-01 11:25:11 - Sleeping_Beauty got bonus of 2 troops added to Cape Town
2020-04-01 11:25:11 - Sleeping_Beauty got bonus of 2 troops added to Cairo
2020-04-01 11:25:32 - Sleeping_Beauty deployed 2 troops on Dakar
2020-04-01 11:25:39 - Sleeping_Beauty deployed 3 troops on Dubai
2020-04-01 11:26:13 - Sleeping_Beauty deployed 2 troops on Dubai
2020-04-01 11:26:27 - Sleeping_Beauty deployed 5 troops on Istanbul
2020-04-01 11:27:00 - Sleeping_Beauty assaulted Moscow from Istanbul and conquered it from EEEE4
2020-04-01 11:28:48 - Sleeping_Beauty reinforced Dubai with 2 troops from Cape Town
2020-04-01 11:28:48 - Sleeping_Beauty ended the turn and got spoils
2020-04-01 11:28:48 - Incrementing game to round 13
2020-04-01 11:31:08 - EEEE4 received 2 troops for holding South America
2020-04-01 11:31:08 - EEEE4 received 4 troops for 14 regions
2020-04-01 11:31:11 - EEEE4 deployed 6 troops on London
2020-04-01 11:31:12 - EEEE4 assaulted Madrid from London and conquered it from Sleeping_Beauty
2020-04-01 11:31:23 - EEEE4 assaulted Dakar from Sao Paulo and conquered it from Sleeping_Beauty
2020-04-01 11:31:37 - EEEE4 ended the turn and got spoils
2020-04-01 11:43:40 - bermanap received 5 troops for holding North America
2020-04-01 11:43:40 - bermanap received 2 troops for holding Oceania
2020-04-01 11:43:40 - bermanap received 5 troops for 16 regions
2020-04-01 11:43:53 - bermanap played a set of Port Moresby, Johannesburg, and Anchorage worth 6 troops
2020-04-01 11:43:53 - bermanap got bonus of 2 troops added to Port Moresby
2020-04-01 11:43:53 - bermanap got bonus of 2 troops added to Anchorage
2020-04-01 11:43:56 - bermanap deployed 18 troops on Hong Kong
2020-04-01 11:44:01 - bermanap assaulted Delhi from Hong Kong and conquered it from EEEE4
2020-04-01 11:44:17 - bermanap assaulted Dubai from Delhi and conquered it from Sleeping_Beauty
2020-04-01 11:44:25 - bermanap assaulted Nairobi from Dubai and conquered it from Sleeping_Beauty
2020-04-01 11:44:34 - bermanap reinforced Mexico City with 2 troops from New York
2020-04-01 11:44:34 - bermanap ended the turn and got spoils
2020-04-01 12:03:25 - Sleeping_Beauty received 3 troops for 7 regions

I was already eliminated for several turns, but I guess teaming / diplomacy also applies from the grave.

Any agreements, diplomacy, whatever, when present, is always made in game chat. Often it is apparent that attacking one an other isn't a good move, same goes for with other players.

[iAmCaffeine]

"I assume these two players are friends or family members"

I'd recommend playing more team games and less multiplayer.

[DeathCoil]

I'd recommend sticking your nose into your own business.

[Kotaro]

I'd recommend sticking your nose into your own business.

I see you haven't met Caff before.

[iAmCaffeine]

I'd recommend sticking your nose into your own business.

I see you haven't met Caff before.

1. This forum exists for players to file reports if they think it necessary.

2. I don't even know who you are Kotaro.

[DeathCoil]

"I see you haven't met Caff before." Correct. Funnily enough, I came across this by accident. Wanted to report an username I found inappropriate, but considering that "Hitlersass" didn't seem to bother anyone, decided against it. It did then, come to my attention, that this guy opened this thread but also opened many other threads. Including accusing some of farming new players.

Either way, yes. If you think someone is doing secret diplomacy, cheating, or whatever, you should totally call them out on it. But first, do some proper research.

It would also reflect well upon you to at least exonerate the game with sleepy beauty of whatever that guy's name was. The rest is a matter of your opinion, but the logs clearly show that this is a false accusation.

[EEEE4]

I'd recommend sticking your nose into your own business.

I see you haven't met Caff before.

1. This forum exists for players to file reports if they think it necessary.

Actually:

Unless what you have to say is actual evidence that is relevant to the case and will either assist in busting or clearing the accused, then either
1) do NOT post it

Source: https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 5&t=225317

All I read is your biased view on some selection of games of me & DeathCoil without support of actual factual evidence.

Reasons why I hereby request this report to be closed unless some actual evidence is presented.

[iAmCaffeine]

I presented what I believe is reasonable evidence in a report, which I think was necessary. Didn't realise it needed spelling out.

[king achilles]

Secret alliances are almost impossible to prove unless there are the obvious wall posts to see, slip ups in the game chat, open borders, etc. After playing so many games together, this is actually the first time they have been reported. As of now, what we have our suspicions but no solid proof yet to put a block because of a confirmed secret alliance. I will note this report for now.

[DeathCoil]

[These cases have been closed. If you would like to appeal the decision of the hunter please open a ticket on the help page and the case will be looked into by a second hunter.]

Those two links do not work, they return a 404 The requested URL /eticket/index.php was not found on this server. same for the other link

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Anyway, would like to appeal this load of shit. Happy to discuss any game situation that may have raised any form of suspicion, but am 100% unwilling to accept this "noted" and will accept nothing less but a full exoneration.

I'm a moderator on a different gaming website (not in any way related to this) where we take care of cheaters harsly and highly value fair play. BS accusations like this I have zero appreciation for and as said, would like to appeal.

[iAmCaffeine]

What are you trying to appeal? A note is not a punishment. It just means there is something to reference if you're reported for this kind of thing again in the future. Obviously if you're as fair as you say (hint: you're not) then it won't be an issue.

[DeathCoil]

A "noted" is different from a verdict which states innocence.

Furthermore, I'd like to kindly request you to go play with some toys and f*ck off.

[iAmCaffeine]

Stop posting in a thread I started then.

[DeathCoil]

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/stress-an ... helplines/

CALM
CALM is the Campaign Against Living Miserably, for men aged 15 to 35.


This one may be just right for you.

[iAmCaffeine]

Careful big man, you just got a note!

[EEEE4]

Secret alliances are almost impossible to prove unless there are the obvious wall posts to see, slip ups in the game chat, open borders, etc. After playing so many games together, this is actually the first time they have been reported. As of now, what we have our suspicions but no solid proof yet to put a block because of a confirmed secret alliance. I will note this report for now.

Please feel free to share your suspicions with us.

[iAmCaffeine]

Accused:
DeathCoil
EEEE4

The accused are suspected of:
Conducting Secret Diplomacy

Game number(s):
Game 19812203
Game 19812218
Game 19812214
Game 19796068

Comments:
I assume these two players are friends or family members. They have played 108 games of 4 player Classic, in which DeathCoil has won 26 and EEEE4 has won 32, whilst other players have won 50. So over half those games are won by one of the accused. They have also played 153 1v1 games in which it seems they play as you would expect. They have very recently started playing doubles together, with 5 finished and another 10 active or waiting.

Looking through some of their recent games, I have very little doubt that these two players favour each other. There seems to be a general pattern of not attacking each other early unless for a bonus or absolutely necessary for a card. I went through multiple games and couldn't find a single one where one player was eliminated first, unless by another player not involved in the collusion.

Game 19812203 is a particularly more blatant example. I suspect that since one player deadbeated and the other was a new recruit, they just decided to 2v1 as both players only attacked yellow for the vast majority of the game.

In Game 19812218 it would seem EEEE4 threw the game for DeathCoil for whatever reason.

Maybe not the nicest of chaps either: Game 9412494. I actually think you could make a separate case for DeathCoil's ratings abuse.

In Game 19796059 it seems SleepingBeauty calls them out for working together, and does so again in Game 19796062 and receives a rather poor rating as a result.

I've known about this pair for a little while but wasn't 100% sure. I had time to do some digging recently and think they need to be warned and blocked. Let them play team games.

Secret alliances are almost impossible to prove unless there are the obvious wall posts to see, slip ups in the game chat, open borders, etc. After playing so many games together, this is actually the first time they have been reported. As of now, what we have our suspicions but no solid proof yet to put a block because of a confirmed secret alliance. I will note this report for now.

Please feel free to share your suspicions with us.

[EEEE4]

**garbage**

Could you just stop posting in this thread and leave room for the support admin(s) to respond? Thank you.

[iAmCaffeine]

It's my thread.

[Donelladan]

@DeathCoil and EEE4.
This is the usual outcome of a secret diplomacy report.
This doesn't mean anything, just let it go.
Take this as an experienced ( I've been reading this part of the forum for a while) and neutral opinion. ( I don't know any of you and I don't care about the outcome).

[DeathCoil]

It's my thread.

Fairly sure the question was raised to the 'hunters'. It seems you suffer from the last word syndrome.

[DeathCoil]

@DeathCoil and EEE4.
This is the usual outcome of a secret diplomacy report.
This doesn't mean anything, just let it go.
Take this as an experienced ( I've been reading this part of the forum for a while) and neutral opinion. ( I don't know any of you and I don't care about the outcome).

You may be correct, however, I do value fair play quite highly, and bogus accusations I do not appreciate.

To me "noted" is like a judge saying "We can't find evidence of you beating your wife" which isn't the same as "you didn't do it"