Yet another racist killing by US police

[jimboston]

May I point out...

The death that occurred in the OP was by choking. The OP has nothing to do with guns.

The death appears to me, based on my limited review of news stories associated with the incident, to be unjustified.
The police involved will likely get punished, probably lose their jobs, but I’d agree they likely will get off relatively easy.
It’s not good.

This incident deserves moral outrage, and protests are justified.
When protests turn to looting, the story changes and the message is lost.
The majority of the public forget they should support the protests and instead become offended by the looting.
Sorry... it’s true.

This OP is NOT about guns.
Regarding guns... you can’t suggest policing in Britain is equivalent in every way to policing in the US.
I mean...you can suggest it, but you’d be wrong.
Social norms are different enough, and there are enough street guns floating around in the US that IMHO having police carry is justified.

The VAST MAJORITY of police in the US...
- go through their whole careers having never pulled their guns.
- treat the public with respect as their default mode.
People who don’t agree with these statements are either liars, or enter into police interactions with such a chip-on-their-shoulder that they set the tone right out of the gate as one of confrontation rather than communication. Yes there are bad cops, because cops are people and their are bad people. That said if you approach interactions in the right manner you will likely be fine.

Note... I’m not saying there are “never” situations where innocents are caught up and hurt do to police misbehavior or over-zealousness. Obviously this has happened and it’s a shame and we should not accept that. I am say statistically speaking it’s not probable and you can reduce your risk by not being an ass.

I missed the “not” there... but I think my point was obvious.

[Endgame422]

Jim
If you are truly of the opinion that the loss of money from the riots is more reprehensible then the loss of life at the hands of people who are supposed to represent the common interest, then there is no discussion to be had here.
Your entire post frankly disgusts to me, you have made it clear in just a few short paragraphs that you think victims are to blame, that $ is more important then human lives, and that your apathetic to abuses of power.
At least saxi and 2dimes are just trolling me because i think its obvious i have strong feelings about this, but your post appears to be your actual opinion.

[mrswdk]

The VAST MAJORITY of police in the US...
- go through their whole careers having never pulled their guns

Fact check

That said if you approach interactions in the right manner you will likely be fine.

Yeah, if you resist arrest for a minor offense then you only have yourself to blame when a police officer kneels on your throat for 10 minutes straight and chokes you to death in front of a petrified crowd of onlookers.

[mrswdk]

I'm a black ex-cop, and this is the real truth about race and policing

As a new officer with the St. Louis in the mid-1990s, I responded to a call for an “officer in need of aid.” I was partnered that day with a white female officer. When we got to the scene, it turned out that the officer was fine, and the aid call was canceled. He’d been in a foot pursuit chasing a suspect in an armed robbery and lost him.

The officer I was with asked him if he’d seen where the suspect went. The officer picked a house on the block we were on, and we went to it and knocked on the door. A young man about 18 years old answered the door, partially opening it and peering out at my partner and me. He was standing on crutches. My partner accused him of harboring a suspect. He denied it. He said that this was his family’s home and he was home alone.

My partner then forced the door the rest of the way open, grabbed him by his throat, and snatched him out of the house onto the front porch. She took him to the ledge of the porch and, still holding him by the throat, punched him hard in the face and then in the groin. My partner that day snatched an 18-year-old kid off crutches and assaulted him, simply for stating the fact that he was home alone.

I got the officer off of him. But because an aid call had gone out, several other officers had arrived on the scene. One of those officers, who was black, ascended the stairs and asked what was going on. My partner pointed to the young man, still lying on the porch, and said, “That son of a bitch just assaulted me.” The black officer then went up to the young man and told him to “get the f*ck up, I’m taking you in for assaulting an officer.” The young man looked up at the officer and said, “Man ... you see I can’t go.” His crutches lay not far from him.

The officer picked him up, cuffed him, and slammed him into the house, where he was able to prop himself up by leaning against it. The officer then told him again to get moving to the police car on the street because he was under arrest. The young man told him one last time, in a pleading tone that was somehow angry at the same time, “You see I can’t go!” The officer reached down and grabbed both the young man’s ankles and yanked up. This caused the young man to strike his head on the porch. The officer then dragged him to the police car. We then searched the house. No one was in it.

These kinds of scenes play themselves out everyday all over our country in black and brown communities. Beyond the many unarmed blacks killed by police, including recently Freddie Gray in Baltimore, other police abuses that don’t result in death foment resentment, distrust, and malice toward police in black and brown communities all over the country. Long before Darren Wilson shot and killed unarmed Michael Brown last August, there was a poisonous relationship between the Ferguson, Missouri, department and the community it claimed to serve. For example, in 2009 Henry Davis was stopped unlawfully in Ferguson, taken to the police station, and brutally beaten while in handcuffs. He was then charged for bleeding on the officers’ uniforms after they beat him.

https://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8661977/r ... ce-officer

[saxitoxin]

British police still don't carry guns.

ITT mrswdk doesn't think of people in Northern Ireland as British

Generally when UK police are surveyed most say they don't want guns

Every year that passes, more UK police want to be armed. At the current rate - within ten years or so - most British police will want firearms. Meanwhile, 47% of British people want the police to be armed and effective - as opposed to ineffective betas - with that number also increasing each year.

[saxitoxin]

There are 7 billion people in the world, only 70 million of whom (1%) live in jurisdictions with unarmed police. If we are going to make policy because that's how they do it in the UK - and literally nowhere else - that's fine; I'll accept disarmed police once the Episcopal Church is made the official state religion of the United States, just like the COE in the UK.

[Maxleod]

In a touching, living memorial, social justice activists today paid a heartfelt tribute to George Floyd by looting a Minneapolis Target.



Among merchandise social justice activists permanently borrowed were four 8K televisions and a Bose sound system; they pledged they would fondly remember George Floyd while watching Cake Wars on Food Network.



Joe Biden has expressed support for Minneapolis social justice activists.



Despite the increasing insanity of the Democrats, there is still a government in place, that government has total power, and it is run by adults. Americans will vote for Order and Civilization over The Purge in 2020.

ITT saxitoxin equals shoplifting to murder.

[2dimes]

Never mind that. I'm hoping he continues explaining how people live in Svalbard.

[jonesthecurl]

On the looting: we don't know the whole story. Maybe the shop owner said "Hey, I have too many TV's, help yourself!", Maybe he even threatened them that he'd shoot them if they didn't make some space for a window display. They probably did these heinous things because they feared for their lives. Maybe the shop staff fit the description of whoever had stole the looters' own TV's. We'll never know. The vast majority of looters are decent people who, if treated with respect and deference, will act in accordance with the law. Probably.

[jimboston]

Jim
If you are truly of the opinion that the loss of money from the riots is more reprehensible then the loss of life at the hands of people who are supposed to represent the common interest, then there is no discussion to be had here.

Endgame, please work on your reading comprehension skills.

I said...

This incident deserves moral outrage, and protests are justified.
When protests turn to looting, the story changes and the message is lost.
The majority of the public forget they should support the protests and instead become offended by the looting.
Sorry... it’s true.

If you know how to read you would understand the key points...

The incident (the death of George Floyd) deserves moral outrage.
I agree that the police were wrong.

I then go on to explain how the looting undermines the point of any protest by changing the story in the mind of the majority of the public.

Anyone who digs into the story and sees the first video in it’s entirety likely sides with George Floyd... but people who don’t pay attention and only see videos of the riots and looting on TV at night get their biases confirmed and side with the police.

Your entire post frankly disgusts to me,

Sorry, not sorry.

you have made it clear in just a few short paragraphs that you think victims are to blame, that $ is more important then human lives, and that your apathetic to abuses of power.

Misinterpretations all. This is common with extremists on all sides of any issue. They don’t bother to listen (or in this case read) what you’re saying, and just love to jump on people who don’t 100% agree with them and/or try to have nuanced/balanced views.

At least saxi and 2dimes are just trolling me because i think its obvious i have strong feelings about this, but your post appears to be your actual opinion.

Yep.

[jimboston]

The VAST MAJORITY of police in the US...
- go through their whole careers having never pulled their guns

Fact check

That said if you approach interactions in the right manner you will likely be fine.

Yeah, if you resist arrest for a minor offense then you only have yourself to blame when a police officer kneels on your throat for 10 minutes straight and chokes you to death in front of a petrified crowd of onlookers.

Did you stop reading and miss the whole last paragraph of my post?

[2dimes]

Even though it does not feel like it sometimes, most police officers are the good guys still.

I would be more in favour of disarming some of the police after somehow all the criminals were disarmed.

As jimboston already wrote. Firearms unfortunately are not even relevant to the murder described in the original post.

Though I agree if this was the only time it ever happened it would still be one too many. This topic seems like an unusual and very disturbing thing is being used to bait Americans.

[jimboston]

Even though it does not feel like it sometimes, most police officers are the good guys still.

I would be more in favour of disarming some of the police after somehow all the criminals were disarmed.

As jimboston already wrote. Firearms unfortunately are not even relevant to the murder described in the original post.

Though I agree if this was the only time it ever happened it would still be one too many. This topic seems like an unusual and very disturbing thing is being used to bait Americans.

How can you say this...you must be racist!

(I’m just typing a reply before mrswdk and company jump in and intentionally misinterpret your comments.)

[saxitoxin]

The only thing we know for sure at this point is that the Governor of Minnesota is a member of the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party, as is the mayor of Minneapolis, as is a majority of the Minnesota House of Representatives.

We don't elect police officers, so if people want change they'll have to vote out the DFL apparatchiks. But they won't. Ergo, we, the civilized people, will just have to deal with a few days of looted Wal-Marts, angry posts to forums, huffing and puffing, and then we can return to business as usual.

This happens every year or two; it's just a meaningless little ritual. It doesn't matter how many 8K TVs the SJWs steal, in November they'll all still vote straight DFL.

[mrswdk]

The VAST MAJORITY of police in the US...
- go through their whole careers having never pulled their guns

Fact check

That said if you approach interactions in the right manner you will likely be fine.

Yeah, if you resist arrest for a minor offense then you only have yourself to blame when a police officer kneels on your throat for 10 minutes straight and chokes you to death in front of a petrified crowd of onlookers.

Did you stop reading and miss the whole last paragraph of my post?

You mean this paragraph?

[mrswdk]

British police still don't carry guns.

ITT mrswdk doesn't think of people in Northern Ireland as British

Because they're not. Northern Irish people are Irish.



inb4 saxi makes some reference to potatoes

[saxitoxin]

British police still don't carry guns.

ITT mrswdk doesn't think of people in Northern Ireland as British

Because they're not. Northern Irish people are Irish.

inb4 saxi makes some reference to potatoes

IOW Britain only routinely arms police in ethnic minority areas

[2dimes]

Saxi don't you pronounce it, "TATERS!" ?

[mrswdk]

British police still don't carry guns.

ITT mrswdk doesn't think of people in Northern Ireland as British

Because they're not. Northern Irish people are Irish.

inb4 saxi makes some reference to potatoes

IOW Britain only routinely arms police in ethnic minority areas

IOW British police still don't carry guns.

[mrswdk]

[saxitoxin]

British police still don't carry guns.

ITT mrswdk doesn't think of people in Northern Ireland as British

Because they're not. Northern Irish people are Irish.

inb4 saxi makes some reference to potatoes

IOW Britain only routinely arms police in ethnic minority areas

IOW British police still don't carry guns.

IOW police in the UK roitinely carry guns ... but only in ghettos

[mrswdk]

British police still don't carry guns.

ITT mrswdk doesn't think of people in Northern Ireland as British

Because they're not. Northern Irish people are Irish.

inb4 saxi makes some reference to potatoes

IOW Britain only routinely arms police in ethnic minority areas

IOW British police still don't carry guns.

IOW police in the UK roitinely carry guns ... but only in ghettos

We don't have ghettos in civilised Europe.

[jimboston]

You mean this paragraph?

So you’re admitting you have a hard time comprehending basic english...

[saxitoxin]

We don't have ghettos in civilised Europe.

[mrswdk]

The occupied six counties are a glorious and noble region whose beauty transcends your attempts to impose your reality on them. Ireland together standing tall <3