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Caymanmew wrote:This is happening in the Conquer Club Olympics which has a tribe scoreboard. It makes sense to help a tribemate win if you yourself can't. Most people in high ranked clans/tribes value their clan/tribe results over their own personal results. That just the nature of competitive team mentality. I'd blatantly help a teammate win a game if I am not in a position to win myself, especially if it helps the team win the main event. No need to talk it out either, it is simply a natural move for a team first oriented player.
Tribe event results >>> personal event results.
This is my opinion, not an official Team CC or Community Team stance
The only thing he said in the chat was that yes, he'd rather djelebert win if he can't, which is not secret diplomacy, and even not saying he would actually act on this wish.
Jdsizzleslice wrote:Caymanmew wrote:This is happening in the Conquer Club Olympics which has a tribe scoreboard. It makes sense to help a tribemate win if you yourself can't. Most people in high ranked clans/tribes value their clan/tribe results over their own personal results. That just the nature of competitive team mentality. I'd blatantly help a teammate win a game if I am not in a position to win myself, especially if it helps the team win the main event. No need to talk it out either, it is simply a natural move for a team first oriented player.
Tribe event results >>> personal event results.
This is my opinion, not an official Team CC or Community Team stance
It's a natural feeling to help people in the same group as you win if you can't win yourself.
However, unless they posted in the game chat an alliance had emerged, it is definitely classified as Secret Diplomacy, and may also be considered Tournament Game Throwing, because they are specifically targeting the other players.
there are times when you are toast but you still have an obligation to help to determine the outcome of the game. maybe someone screwed you early on and you have an opportunity to pay it back, maybe you like one player more so you hit the others, maybe someone tried to help you earlier so you repay the favor - are those scenarios game throwing or secret diplomacy? no. they're playing the game.
in this case it's even more ridiculous - i'm not up on it but it seems to me if you're in an individual competition with a team scoring aspect to it, of course you want to do things to help your teammate win if you cannot. there is so much precedent for this, ANY team racing sport whether it be biking, running, car racing, etc employs this exact strategy. if cc doesnt want this to be a possibility, then either don't put on a competition that works this way or stop teammates from being in the same game.
ESQuire wrote:
This brings to mind games that I play with my father. We play on the same team in doubles games, so it is clear we are a team. If we ever played in a singles game of, say, 4 players, and he and I played as a pair without divulging our relationship, would that be fair? If so, I know how to gain him the rank improvement he so desperately wants. We'll play assassin and take out one or the other of our targets from out of the blue.
The admittedly biased Donelladan says there was only one place where fairman said anything in chat. Actually, there was another exchange in Game 20039288 where he replied to me thusly:
2020-06-10 15:28:06 - ESQuire: Fairman.... you're not claiming to be playing without a bias away from attacking dje, are you?
2020-06-10 17:42:54 - fairman: no, just saying that I attacked him in some other games
This implicitly admits his covert bias. I asked him to deny it. He said he didn't deny it. He just said that there were times in other games where he attacked his tribemate. A token attack here or there only serves to try to throw off suspicion
Esquire wrote:A token attack here or there only serves to try to throw off suspicion.
FuegoFuego wrote: Its just weird that if for instance Djelebert moves last, he takes on me having just +4 and not his mate having +20 with an open place to attack a bonus.
Caymanmew wrote:Now if you were in an assassin game for example and both you and your father's target are near dead, leaving it a fight between your father and someone else for the win. Then sure, you kill your father's target and help him win. Kinda dirty but your not breaking any rules on secret diplomacy or game throwing. Playing multiplayer games with family is generally considered somewhere between not cool and against the rules though.
Esquire wrote:A token attack here or there only serves to try to throw off suspicion.
FuegoFuego wrote: Its just weird that if for instance Djelebert moves last, he takes on me having just +4 and not his mate having +20 with an open place to attack a bonus.
