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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:03 am

Opinion: The importance of offering vaccine choice in the fight against COVID-19

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/43/e2117185118

More than 25% of adults in the United States remain unvaccinated for coronavirus disease 2019 [COVID-19 (1)]. Although some of the unvaccinated are vaccine-resistant and may never be convinced that they should get the shot, the hope is that a sizable proportion of the unvaccinated will accept vaccination under the right circumstances. The recent US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval of the Pfizer vaccine—and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommendation for a booster—may aid acceptance. And various incentives have been instituted to encourage vaccination, including free transportation to vaccination locations, time off from work, and monetary lotteries for those who have been vaccinated. Outreach has entailed the use of trusted messengers such as personal physicians, local community and faith leaders, and social media influencers; partnering with familiar community sites such as houses of worship; and expanding vaccination sites to include pharmacies, primary care offices, and mobile units (2⇓–4). An increasing number of private businesses and universities have announced vaccination mandates as part of returns to in-person work and school (5). Hopefully, many more people will elect to get vaccinated. And when they do, they should have a choice of vaccines. Whether vaccinating in hard-to-reach communities or requiring vaccination as a condition of employment or on-campus education, we argue that offering a choice of vaccine should be an essential component of COVID-19 vaccination strategies.

Vaccine administration in underserved communities often requires mobile units to facilitate vaccination clinics in urban or rural communities or to deliver vaccine directly into the homes of people who cannot access centralized vaccination sites (e.g., owing to age, disability, or lack of transportation; inability to access registration sites because of internet access; language barriers; or inability to take off work). Some have suggested that the Johnson & Johnson (J&J)/Janssen vaccine be selectively targeted to these populations to maximize operational efficiency in light of its single-dose delivery and lack of cold storage requirements (6). But this argument is tempered by CDC guidance that the Pfizer vaccine may be stored in the refrigerator for up to 31 days before mixing—thus making it easier to administer through mobile units (7). The Moderna vaccine still relies on cold storage. Thus far, of the fully vaccinated in the United States, 54% have received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, 38% the Moderna vaccine, and 8% the J&J/Janssen vaccine (1).
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:11 am

Effectiveness of Masks to reduce the Spread of COVID-19

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ABSTRACT IZA DP No. 13319 JUNE 2020 Face Masks Considerably Reduce COVID-19 Cases in Germany: A Synthetic Control Method Approach1 We use the synthetic control method to analyze the effect of face masks on the spread of Covid-19 in Germany. Our identification approach exploits regional variation in the point in time when face masks became compulsory. Depending on the region we analyse, we find that face masks reduced the cumulative number of registered Covid-19 cases between 2.3% and 13% over a period of 10 days after they became compulsory. Assessing the credibility of the various estimates, we conclude that face masks reduce the daily growth rate of reported infections by around 40%. JEL Classification: I18, C23 Keywords: COVID-19, public health measures, face masks, synthetic control method, Germany

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https://www.pnas.org/content/117/51/32293
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:19 am

It appears that saxi is conceding this thread. AND he cannot change the title here, too, so another reason for him to NOT post here. So SAD. :D :lol:
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:09 pm

anyone gotten the booster? any side effects?
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jonesthecurl on Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:07 pm

Yes, No.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:06 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:Yes, No.


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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:10 pm

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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:14 pm

Breaking: Boeing Cancelled its Employee Vaccine Mandate 30 Minutes Ago After Worker Revolt! https://kimatv.com/news/local/boeing-su ... -employees

Meanwhile ...

Cornell Suffers Huge Outbreak of COVID Among Vaccinated and Boosted Students

Cornell University reported 903 cases of Covid-19 among students between December 7-13, and a "very high percentage" of them are Omicron variant cases in fully vaccinated individuals, according to university officials.

"Virtually every case of the Omicron variant to date has been found in fully vaccinated students, a portion of whom had also received a booster shot," said Vice President for University Relations Joel Malina in a statement.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/14/us/corne ... index.html


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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby GaryDenton on Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:51 am

The reason Boeing suspended and postponed mandate has been cleared.

Federal appeals court reinstates Biden COVID-19 vaccine-or-testing mandate for large employers

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 2c19ef33b4

Of course, requiring mandates are constitutional. George Washington ordered his men to get smallpox vaccinations. Vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional. The Supreme Court upheld a local health board’s decision to mandate smallpox vaccinations in Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905). And states routinely require nearly all school-age children to receive a long list of vaccines.

Nearly all children must be vaccinated against many diseases, including polio, hepatitis B, measles, mumps, rubella, varicella, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, meningitis, and septicemia.

But just because the Constitution permits the government to require vaccines does not necessarily mean that the Labor Department may, as Biden says it will, issue a binding rule requiring large employers to encourage vaccination. The Labor Department may only act pursuant to an act of Congress. So unless Congress passes a new law, the department must rely on an existing statute if it wishes to regulate employers.

There is a strong argument, however, that the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970 (OSH) permits the Labor Department to act. Among other things, that law permits the secretary of labor to issue an “emergency temporary standard” regarding workplace health or safety if they determine that “employees are exposed to grave danger from exposure to substances or agents determined to be toxic or physically harmful,” and that such a standard is “necessary to protect employees from such danger.”

However, the Supreme Court’s conservative majority is also hostile to federal statutes that grant broad regulatory authority to federal agencies, and may view a challenge to new vaccine rules as a good opportunity to diminish OSHA’s authority.

The man elected to govern the United States has come up with a plan to fight Covid-19. It’s now up to conservatives judges jammed into the Supreme Court to tell us if he can implement it.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:34 am

The Supreme Court upheld a local health board’s decision to mandate smallpox vaccinations in Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905).

    1. In Jacobsen, the court ruled that vaccination mandates were permitted provided they did not go "beyond what was reasonably required for the safety of the public." The disease in that case was smallpox which had a 30.2% mortality rate. The disease in this case is COVID-19 which was a 0.7% mortality rate.
    2. Further, the Jacobsen case specifically ruled on a state's (Massachusetts) exercise of its sovereign police power:

      The police power of a State embraces such reasonable regulations relating to matters completely within its territory, and not affecting the people of other States, established directly by legislative enactment, as will protect the public health and safety.
    Jacobsen did not recognize the federal government as having any authority to issue vaccine mandates and there is not one single case in the 245 year history of the U.S. that the federal government has done so for the civilian population (outside of its own workforce). The limited past cases have each involved state regulation, the only thing recognized by Jacobsen.
There is a strong argument, however, that the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970 (OSH) permits the Labor Department to act. Among other things, that law permits the secretary of labor to issue an “emergency temporary standard”

OSHA has issued exactly (10) Emergency Temporary Standards in its history, the last one in 1983. Every single one of those that's been challenged in court has been struck down.

To issue an ETS, OSHA has to prove it is "necessary to protect" all the employees covered by the order from a danger in the workplace. A blanket mandate that simply applies to "any company with 100 or more employees" is not narrowly written enough to prove the necessity of protection. For instance, if you work for a completely distributed accounting firm with no physical office space and have 101 employees all of whom are teleworking, there is no reasonable argument that your employer is exposing you to a danger that doesn't exist in a traditional brick-and-mortar accounting firm where everyone is crammed into cubicles but it has 99 employees.

SCOTUS will strike this down and OSHA will then have to go through the non-emergency rulemaking process which requires a 2 year public comment period.

It’s now up to conservatives judges jammed into the Supreme Court to tell us if he can implement it.


The last time SCOTUS struck-down an OSHA ETS, in 1983, a majority of its sitting justices had been appointed by Rat presidents and one (Brennan) had been appointed by a Republican but was part of the liberal wing of the court. The ETS will be dissolved due to a complete lack of merit and substance arising out of the absolute governmental incompetence and buffoonery of this amateur regime, not due to ideology.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:48 pm

Based on what I have heard and read, I think saxi is likely correct here on ETS. SHOCK. :o
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:52 pm

FASCISM IN CALIFORNIA STOPPED!

A California Superior Court has just ruled Guesome Newsom's vaccination mandate for public school students is a violation of the Constitution of California and has restrained it across all 58 counties of California. =D> =D> =D>

(Cue GaryDenton: "Judges in California are known for being Trump supporters.")
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby bigtoughralf on Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:02 pm

Palestinians murdered by Israel during its ongoing illegal invasion of Gaza: 50,021*

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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Dec 20, 2021 9:11 pm

A "senior White House staffer" who was vaccinated and boosted and in close contact with Old just tested positive for COVID-19

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There are rumors Hillary Clinton wants to run for Presidentress

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Biden is as safe as Vince Foster driving by a book depository on his way to Ford Theater.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby mookiemcgee on Mon Dec 20, 2021 9:49 pm

OH NO SAXI, YOUR HERO HAS BETRAYED YOU!!!


https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/2 ... hot-525748

"Former President Donald Trump said he received a Covid-19 booster shot, revealing the news to former Fox News host Bill O’Reilly on Sunday during one of their “History Tour” live events."
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jonesthecurl on Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:36 pm

"Must tell the truth — and very proud to have produced the 3 vaccines so quickly — million of lives saved worldwide — Best wishes Donald," the note said.


So... is this the same as the Biden frankinvax death jab that is gonna wipe everyone out?
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:51 pm

mookiemcgee wrote:OH NO SAXI, YOUR HERO HAS BETRAYED YOU!!!


https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/2 ... hot-525748

"Former President Donald Trump said he received a Covid-19 booster shot, revealing the news to former Fox News host Bill O’Reilly on Sunday during one of their “History Tour” live events."


OH NO MOOKIE, YOUR HERO HAS BETRAYED YOU!!!

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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:01 am

Let me set the record straight on what Mookie posted about his "hero" Kamala Harris.

This is what Mookie posted about Kamala Harris on Nov. 25, 2021:
Never been a Kamala fan, she's always been all double speak. I don't find her to have much authenticity in her beliefs or any feeling of genuine empathy (probably Joe's single greatest asset as a politician), and I don't find her to be a terribly good politician though clearly some people disagree. She wasn't a great AG, and it was clearly just padding for her resume anyway. She was probably a fine lawyer (as many lawmakers are), but she still reeks of 'I'm a lawyer'. If she ran for president... well I guess it depends on who's shes running against but I would prefer not to vote for her. If it was say her vs John Kasic I would vote for Kasic 100% of the time. If it was Nikki Haley I'd vote for Nikki. If it was like Cruz, DeSantis I would have a really hard time deciding but would probably choose the old white men... if it was Trump I would vote for her 100% of the time.


So again, more obfuscation by saxi. And of course, ALL OF US are SHOCKED...! :o :( :o :shock:

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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:53 am

Great Fear Porn graphic from the BBC. They compress the timeline to magnify the impact of what would never be visible if they ran the numbers all the way up to 100,000 on the X axis.

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    -As one can see, if we round to the nearest whole number, vaccinated people 18-29 have a 0-in-100,000 chance of dying from COVID-19 while unvaccinated people also have a 0-in-100,000 chance of dying from COVID-19.

    -If we round to the nearest whole number, vaccinated people 30-49 have a 0-in-100,000 chance of dying from COVID-19 while unvaccinated people have a 2-in-100,000 chance of dying from COVID-19.

    -If we round to the nearest whole number, vaccinated people 50-65 have a 1-in-100,000 chance of dying from COVID-19 while unvaccinated people have a 6-in-100,000 chance of dying from COVID-19.

By the way, your chance of dying in a car crash in a 12-month-period? That's 1-in-9,000. Yes, even if you're an unvaccinated 50-65 year old, you're about twice as likely to die in a car wreck in the next 12 months than of COVID-19.

But if you want to scare the bejeezus out of people to get them to take your garbage vaccine so you can get $92 from the government? Don't say "if you're unvaccinated you're about twice as likely to die in a car wreck in the next 12 months than of COVID-19." Say "if you're unvaccinated you're 600%!!!! more likely to die than a vaxed person!" and then never mention the infinitesimally small raw numbers involved.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:46 am

it seems to me that again saxi is using obfuscation:

More than 38,000 people die every year in crashes on U.S. roadways. The U.S. traffic fatality rate is 12.4 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants. An additional 4.4 million are injured seriously enough to require medical attention. Road crashes are the leading cause of death in the U.S. for people aged 1-54.

https://www.asirt.org/safe-travel/road-safety-facts/

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Road crashes are the leading cause of death in the U.S. for people aged 1-54.
The economic and societal impact of road crashes costs U.S. citizens $871 billion.
Road crashes cost the U.S. more than $380 million in direct medical costs.

The U.S. suffers the most road crash deaths of any high-income country, about 50% higher than similar countries in Western Europe, Canada, Australia and Japan.
Pedestrian and bicyclist fatalities continue to rise in the United States. According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), more pedestrians and cyclists were killed in 2018 than in any year since 1990.


saxi ignores the impact of such things even if death does NOT occur. Again, as I stated in another thread, saxi does not use cost benefit analysis.

by DirtyDishSoap on Sun Dec 19, 2021 2:18 am

You're about as useless as Saxi and King Herpes, holy shit.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby 100023690 on Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:43 am

I have the third dose since September 2021, I think the fourth will be soon and I had covid in January 2020, just after having lost two relatives under 65 years of age who surely if they had been vaccinated, would not have died.
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Re: Yay pills!

Postby jusplay4fun on Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:13 am

2dimes wrote:"This stuff made your brother worse? Let's try it on you.
No good?
Try this.
Not working?
Try this.
Sort of helps? Let's up the dose.
That one seems to be working?
Oh good, the trial and error worked."

Could be worse I guess.


Medicine is still an Art and not ALL Science. As I have told saxi many times, nothing is 100% certain, except death and taxes. And certainly, no drug is 100% effective or efficacious or SAFE. (I wonder if saxi is aware of side effects?) And not everyone responds to the drug or medication or medical procedure the same.

saxi continues to party on hard, apparently with his PAL softsmallralf alone together on their island and/or saxi's basement abode.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby Dukasaur on Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:27 am

Just browsing through the forums and came across this gem from two years ago. Still pleased with it.

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ConfederateSS wrote:Never...I will put my trust in GOD :!: ...If he wants me to live, I will live.

So if you get hit by a car crossing the street tomorrow, you'll tell the ambulance guys to go f*ck themselves when they show up? If God wants you to live, he'll let you live, right?

ConfederateSS wrote:Would you rather go out in a Glorious Battle?

The glories of death in battle are an imaginary concept indulged in by people who have never been in combat. If you talk to guys who were actually there, nothing is glorious about having your guts blown open and and laying there covered in your own shit while your blood seeps away into the Mekong. There's nothing glorious about looking at the left side of your buddy's face because the right side of it is missing.

ConfederateSS wrote:...Or be kept alive in a nursing home?....Alone,having strangers taking care of you in your 90's,etc.etc...

Nursing homes are a product of industrial societies, a place to shove people who can't keep up with the fast pace of our artificial life. People in traditional hunter-gatherer societies don't get shoved into nursing homes. They are part of life until their dying days. When a man is too old to run with the hunters, he'll tend flocks or catch fish. When he's too old to do even those things, then he'll mind the young ones and tell them stories, passing along the tribal wisdom. He's a useful and valued member of his tribe until his last days.

Our society is sick and desperately in need of repair, you're right about that. But wanting to die in battle is not the solution. Nor is the solution wanting to die from some preventable disease for which vaccines exist.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby bigtoughralf on Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:00 am

Dukasaur wrote:The glories of death in battle are an imaginary concept indulged in by people who have never been in combat. If you talk to guys who were actually there, nothing is glorious about having your guts blown open and and laying there covered in your own shit while your blood seeps away into the Mekong. There's nothing glorious about looking at the left side of your buddy's face because the right side of it is missing.


tbf you appear to be looking at this through a US lens, where in recent decades combat deaths have all been in wars fought on behalf of America's corporate masters for no reason that the average soldier actually cares about or supports.

I remember reading the below article where an Iranian talks about fighting in the Iran-Iraq War. He described all the same grisly stuff you do (people blown apart by grenades, using themselves as barriers to help others cross barbed wire etc) and yet having been through all that personally he still thinks it was 'beautiful' and 'so nice', and says it would be great to have died in the fighting.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34353349

Japan's another example, where for centuries soldiers with battle experience thought dying in combat was a noble thing, because they were sacrificing themselves for their emperor. That's in stark contrast to the current Japanese man, who would be afraid to die if it meant missing a new season of Tentacle Pedos.
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