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...The Pope...I know in the past...Popes would say, settle down people... ,Even GOD is taking sides in a war... Actually, I would of thought, it would be the one going on in the Middle East... Taking Israel's side...... 
ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... 
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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ROME — Pope Francis said in an interview that Ukraine, facing defeat, should have the courage to negotiate an end to the war with Russia and not be ashamed to sit at the same table to carry out peace talks.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/1 ... r-00146147
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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... ...Has no Faith that the Ukraine can win,that says it all...That is to funny...Surrender you Sons of *itches...You can't make this up...Did The Ukraine make a pact with the Devil or something???...Maybe Iran is right, America is Great Satan...Maybe we better check Crooked/Sleepy Joe's head, he might have some 6's on his head...Although that could be the year he was born...
...I can't wait to see the next Bill they come up with in Congress, Ukraine needs more money 
... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... 
Endicott? This guy? wonderful human beingsaxitoxin wrote:Popery is anti-American. Endicott warned us in 1645 when he drove the Catholics out of Massachusetts (only for them to come sneaking back in 200 years later).
- "Look ye to it, brethren," resumed Endicott, with increasing energy. "If this king and this arch-prelate have their will, we shall briefly behold a cross on the spire of this tabernacle which we have builded, and a high altar within its walls, with wax tapers burning round it at noonday. We shall hear the sacring-bell, and the voices of the Romish priests saying the mass.
https://www.ibiblio.org/eldritch/nh/erc.html
America was founded as an Anti-Catholic nation. Catholics were banned from holding public office in colonial New Jersey, New York, Virginia, and other places - and there was an outright ban on any practice of Catholicism in Massachusetts and Plymouth. Only one of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence was Catholic. The first book ever banned in England was by a colonial author and one of Endicot's allies - John Eliot - The Christian Commonwealth and Policy Of The Rising Kingdom of Jesus Christ. It calls for the overthrow of the Pope, the Crypto-Pope in Canterbury, and the British monarchy and served as the basis for the entire American concept of independence 125 years later.jusplay4fun wrote:Endicott? This guy? wonderful human beingsaxitoxin wrote:Popery is anti-American. Endicott warned us in 1645 when he drove the Catholics out of Massachusetts (only for them to come sneaking back in 200 years later).
- "Look ye to it, brethren," resumed Endicott, with increasing energy. "If this king and this arch-prelate have their will, we shall briefly behold a cross on the spire of this tabernacle which we have builded, and a high altar within its walls, with wax tapers burning round it at noonday. We shall hear the sacring-bell, and the voices of the Romish priests saying the mass.
https://www.ibiblio.org/eldritch/nh/erc.html
John Endecott (also spelled Endicott; before 1600 – 15 March 1664/1665),[1] regarded as one of the Fathers of New England,[2] was the longest-serving governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, which became the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. He served a total of 16 years, including most of the last 15 years of his life. When not serving as governor, he was involved in other elected and appointed positions from 1628 to 1665 except for the single year of 1634.
Endecott was a zealous and somewhat hotheaded Puritan, with Separatist attitudes toward the Anglican Church. This sometimes put him at odds with Nonconformist views that were dominant among the colony's early leaders, which became apparent when he gave shelter to the vocally Separatist Roger Williams. Endecott also argued that women should dress modestly and that men should keep their hair short, and issued judicial decisions banishing individuals who held religious views that did not accord well with those of the Puritans. He notoriously defaced the English flag because he saw St George's Cross as a symbol of the papacy, and had four Quakers put to death for returning to the colony after their banishment. An expedition he led in 1636 is considered the opening offensive in the Pequot War, which practically destroyed the Pequot tribe as an entity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Endecott
And generally, the Puritans of Massachusetts were very intolerant of ANYONE who was not a Puritan in his/her religious views at this time.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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I agree with the Pope on this issue, however, the Pope is either delusional on all religious matters. He engages in idolatry and denies the Priesthood of All Believers. Real Christianity has more in common with Islam than it does with Popery. The Caliph Murad III once addressed the Lutheran Church on this point:ConfederateSS wrote:-------You have to look at the BIG PICTURE
--------The man with the most Faith in the world...The POPE
-------- Since the Ukraine is now fighting GOD...How much is this going to cost the American Tax Payer???
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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Sounds like the average founding father to me. No wonder it took the US more than 200 years of existing before it would allow black people to get on the same bus as white people.jusplay4fun wrote:Endicott? This guy? wonderful human beingsaxitoxin wrote:Popery is anti-American. Endicott warned us in 1645 when he drove the Catholics out of Massachusetts (only for them to come sneaking back in 200 years later).
- "Look ye to it, brethren," resumed Endicott, with increasing energy. "If this king and this arch-prelate have their will, we shall briefly behold a cross on the spire of this tabernacle which we have builded, and a high altar within its walls, with wax tapers burning round it at noonday. We shall hear the sacring-bell, and the voices of the Romish priests saying the mass.
https://www.ibiblio.org/eldritch/nh/erc.html
John Endecott (also spelled Endicott; before 1600 – 15 March 1664/1665),[1] regarded as one of the Fathers of New England,[2] was the longest-serving governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, which became the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. He served a total of 16 years, including most of the last 15 years of his life. When not serving as governor, he was involved in other elected and appointed positions from 1628 to 1665 except for the single year of 1634.
Endecott was a zealous and somewhat hotheaded Puritan, with Separatist attitudes toward the Anglican Church. This sometimes put him at odds with Nonconformist views that were dominant among the colony's early leaders, which became apparent when he gave shelter to the vocally Separatist Roger Williams. Endecott also argued that women should dress modestly and that men should keep their hair short, and issued judicial decisions banishing individuals who held religious views that did not accord well with those of the Puritans. He notoriously defaced the English flag because he saw St George's Cross as a symbol of the papacy, and had four Quakers put to death for returning to the colony after their banishment. An expedition he led in 1636 is considered the opening offensive in the Pequot War, which practically destroyed the Pequot tribe as an entity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Endecott
And generally, the Puritans of Massachusetts were very intolerant of ANYONE who was not a Puritan in his/her religious views at this time.
Again, ralph shows his ignorance of History, NOW U.S. History. The USA was founded on religious FREEDOM, as many colonies were founded as a haven for one religious group or another. Maryland was founded as a refuge for Catholics, PA became so for Quakers (Friends of Jesus), Rhode Island was likely one of the more tolerant in regards to religion, and what became Massachusetts, as a refuge for what was called the Puritans (or Pilgrims). This I know without looking up anything. In fact, I just read a book about religious freedom in the USA; I finished it late last week.bigtoughralf wrote: Sounds like the average founding father to me. No wonder it took the US more than 200 years of existing before it would allow black people to get on the same bus as white people.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 0#p5349880
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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And what are your pronouns, saxi? Okay, Muslim it is, MY BAD.saxitoxin wrote:It's "Muslim," not "Moslem," unless you're typing from the year 1887.
This country was founded on a Protestant ethic and - within Protestantism - a Congregationalist ethic. Massachusetts was the first colony and the genesis of the Revolution. It was founded as the world's only Congregationalist theocracy and that is the only historical context in which the revolutionary philosophy can be studied or understood. Not a single member of the Mayflower or Winthrop fleets was a Papist. Popery is fundamentally alien and foreign to America.
Okay. Here's what Thomas Jefferson, the founder of the University of Virginia and author of the Virginia constitution, had to say about Popery and the Romish "priests" -jusplay4fun wrote:Virginia
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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https://oxfordre.com/religion/display/1 ... 0378-e-326Martin Luther and the Trinitylocked
Christoph Schwöbel
https://doi.org/10.1093/acrefore/9780199340378.013.326
Published online: 29 March 2017
Summary
Luther’s theology of the Trinity is firmly rooted in the catholic tradition of the church. In scholarly debate, it has therefore not received the same attention as the doctrines usually associated with the distinctive profile of the teaching of the Reformation, like the doctrine of justification by faith alone. The intrinsic connection between Luther’s catholic theology of the Trinity and the distinctive emphases of Reformation theology has consequently often been overlooked. Luther was reasonably well acquainted with the medieval debate and could occasionally, as in the late disputations, directly comment upon them, if the distinctions served to clarify his view of the place of Trinitarian teaching in the church.
The most interesting question with regard to Luther’s doctrine of the Trinity is not which influences can be traced in his Trinitarian thought but how he developed the status of Trinitarian discourse in Christian faith and how he applied it in his treatment of other theological issues.
After everything I just wrote and you're only at "perhaps'?jusplay4fun wrote: Or perhaps saxi is merely anti-Catholic
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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Okay, it's nice to see you lightening up on Ukrane a little.saxitoxin wrote:I don't necessarily want Ukraine obliterated, I just want:
- (a) All areas of Ukraine that want to be part of Russia be part of Russia (say what you want about the Crimean or Donbasi referendums, they might have been rigged, but no one legitimately can claim the Donbasis or Crimeans want to be part of Ukraine),
(b) Ukraine exist peacefully adjacent to Russia (due to NATO's aggressive stance regarding expansion and Ukraine's tendency to periodically lob artillery shells into the Donbas over the last ten years, unfortunately, a mere statement of peaceful coexistence isn't a sufficient guarantee anymore - the only sufficient guarantee will have to be accompanied by the pastoralization and demilitarization of the rump Ukraine state and the installation of a cooperative government)
-------- That's why I have to laugh, at the 1619 A.D. projectjusplay4fun wrote:And what are your pronouns, saxi? Okay, Muslim it is, MY BAD.saxitoxin wrote:It's "Muslim," not "Moslem," unless you're typing from the year 1887.
This country was founded on a Protestant ethic and - within Protestantism - a Congregationalist ethic. Massachusetts was the first colony and the genesis of the Revolution. It was founded as the world's only Congregationalist theocracy and that is the only historical context in which the revolutionary philosophy can be studied or understood. Not a single member of the Mayflower or Winthrop fleets was a Papist. Popery is fundamentally alien and foreign to America.
saxi, you want to focus on Massachusetts, founded in 1620, essentially as the Plymouth Colony (Pilgrims and the Mayflower), by Puritans. saxi forgets about my State (Commonwealth) of Virginia, founded EARLIER in 1607, Jamestown. It seems that saxi wants to ignore key elements of History, like his PAL ralph.
You also ignore MD, PA, and RI (as well as other colonies that help establish the United States of America. Get with it, saxi. Should I even mention the election of JFK in 1960?
... Notice they too...Go under Plymouth 1620 A.D.... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...
...Ukraine’s parliament voted overwhelmingly Thursday to advance legislation seen as effectively banning the Ukrainian Orthodox Church
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-parl ... 2f86517df4
I'm glad to see the Pope adopt the position I have had since the beginning.Tens of thousands of Ukrainian men have fled trying to avoid conscription, fleeing what they account as an unwinnable war.
Ukraine’s military leaders say they need as many as 500,000 more soldiers to relieve exhausted troops and replace the tens of thousands killed and injured on the front line.
https://www.cbc.ca/newsinteractives/fea ... -the-draft
I was being magnanimous, as you are, saxi The Toxic.saxitoxin wrote:After everything I just wrote and you're only at "perhaps'?jusplay4fun wrote: Or perhaps saxi is merely anti-Catholic
A fantasy you like to tell yourselves..jusplay4fun wrote:The USA was founded on religious FREEDOM,
Yes, Maryland was founded as a refuge for Catholics, by enlightened Englishmen. Long before the Revolution, Maryland was taken over by Protestants who swarmed its borders, used electoral tricks to seize power, and then changed its constitution to ban Catholics from political office and resume the persecution that Catholics had come there to be free of.jusplay4fun wrote:Maryland was founded as a refuge for Catholics,
Massachusetts was such an intolerant theocracy that at least two other colonies -- Connecticut and Rhode Island -- had to be founded as refuges for Puritans fleeing from persecution by their own brethren in Massachusetts.jusplay4fun wrote:Massachusetts, as a refuge for what was called the Puritans (or Pilgrims).
This is the only one of the original 13 where your thesis holds more-or-less true. Pennsylvania stands alone as the only one that was fairly true to its stated goals of religious tolerance (although even there, "religious freedom" still only meant "religious freedom for Christians").jusplay4fun wrote:PA became so for Quakers (Friends of Jesus)
Truest thing you've said. The so-called "religious freedom" of the original colonies in most cases only meant for their dominant power group, and almost always involved intolerance and persecution for everyone else.jusplay4fun wrote:One part of the religious freedom was that the dominant group wanted religious freedom for themselves, but not for others.
