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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby Extreme Ways on Thu Apr 11, 2024 9:56 am

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*Pixar* wrote:Yeah, I don't see anything about a mod/fusi interaction other than fusi replacing king early in game. For that and the fact that one claim wouldn't hurt before days end.

Vote PMC

Also note last game (Beyond the Walls) we ended day 1 with no lynch and town lost so starting to think no lynch isn't the "Greatest".


The only reason town lost in the last game was because scum were so damn good!!

I don't think we should lynch good experienced players from who we can learn and get good summaries on D1, unless they come forward as really very scummy for a specific reason. Let our cop or seer investigate them rather at first, it can be a huge loss for town if we miss lynch a good experienced player specially in the beginning of the game.

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Im going to omgus pmc here for saying I have done no reads when I've done the opposite yesterday and he chose not to interact with them - while he was even on it.

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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby Hooch on Thu Apr 11, 2024 3:18 pm

Seems SoN!c getting kicked out as Crazy Vet Shotgun Dude made this Jack game a dull boy.

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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby pmchugh on Thu Apr 11, 2024 4:02 pm

Votanic wrote:
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Devante wrote:Alright, just trying to square things up before being away for a few days. Deadline works better as I should be back by Monday, god willing. As town does not have a general consensus going I will unvote so scum cannot hop on any bandwagon. If we're still going when I'm back I'll look over posts and post my reads. Feel like the posting of reads with reasons does seem the most helpful for town so I'll follow suit. Otherwise farewell bitches I'm taking a very needed break.

UNVOTE


Fusi is a fucking legend for this, I will vote for myself if he tells me to :lol:

OK, raigan, you on the other hand, why me? Cause I didn't immediately respond to you?

I am going to now post a full appraisal of everyone without reading the thread, see who I miss cause they are probably scum.

Fusi - has a post restriction/mod interaction which makes me believe he is more likely town, but this is a mod read not a fusi read.
Strike- I am still suspicious of him, I don't understand how he thinks bandwaggonning day 1 is bad, without it, the game goes nowhere. His logic makes no sense to me, so that could just be a clash of styles, or it could be that he was acting suss
LC - I get townie vibes but LC is certainly capable of that day 1 as mafia
EW - On the suspicious list for never actually doing any reads
TLaw - not active enough for judgement
Swang - Really not active enough for judgement, which is weird as swang was quite active last game
Pixar - it's now Thursday and no more info or posts, other than defending himself. The only thing that gives me pause here is when I was scum last game pixar made for an easy mislynch for us, maybe he just always reads scummy
Ragian - mistaken townie vibes
Dev - He is too new to fake town slips, and he town slipped. 99% town
Charle - town read, seems lighter than when he was scum


So to summarise with the actual player list
Town reads
3. Dev
4. Loose
9. Charle
10. Rag
11. King (Replaced by Fusi)

Middle
1. Traf

Sus list
2. Pix
5. Strike
6. Swang
7. EW

Forgotten
8. Vot
13. Kong

In this case I don't actually suspect my forgotten list. Not sure how I forgot vot but he is in the middle too early to tell group. Kong town slipped before the game really began, which is kind of bad form if you are faking it.

What the hell is all this?
This just comes off as queasy, unsubstantiated manipulation.
Now some might say I'm only looking at PMC askance because of his recent history as victorious scum... but I don't think so.

There is no evidence that Fusi has a post restriction. Where did that come from??
What Fusi has is a case of [i]extreme silence, to the point where it is becoming extremely suspicious...[/i]
He needs to get over here and post something. He can start by explaining his silence.
Yes, swang and Traf are also being too quiet. They're missing all the fun!
The latter even gave a RL excuse... but no there's rule that says scum can't be busy... or lie about being busy.
...but somehow, PMC can deduce from all this quiet absence that Fusi is townish, swang is scummish, and traf is uniquely middle-of-the road. Please...

Nor am I offended at being 'forgotten'. That's actually a refreshing change-of-pace, if sincere.
But since PMC also just tried to subliminally equate being forgotten with being scum, I'm kinda doubting his sincerity.
I mean, seriously, stop for a moment and think about the logic what PMC just wrote:[/b][/i] Somehow his forgetting to read somebody is to be treated as a scum-tell.... what??

Hmm, I seem to be independently arriving at the same scummy/off list as Ragian: PMC and LC.
Even though this is my third game with LC his M.O. (if any) remains an enigma, The fact that he was third party and died early in the last two games might explain that.

Most of the others are behaving more-or-less typically, but I don't consider such typicality to be either a scum or town read.
Ragian is doing his usual 'direct, probing' questions.
EW is giving vague reads and comments.
Pixar is still kinda 'phoning it in'...
Devante is still acting like a wide-eyed noob... and by his third game, it could really be an act.
Charle is exuding disarming friendliness... Last game showed me he can/will do the same even as scum.
strike is doing his bossy, take-charge act... behavior not totally disimilar to that of PMC, tbh.

And as for... the Forgotten,
Votanic is, as always, trying his best to sift through vast dunes of deceit and disfunction with something that might pass as reasoning. No, it doesn't always work...
and Kong, the dreaded newcomer, be he noob, or not...
Unknown players are not to be trusted. They have a have a tragic history of showing up and leaving epic amounts ofchaotic disaster in their wake.
PMC was that newcomer last game, and just look what happend.
And don't even mention Thor60, I still have PTSD about the way he played.
Yes, I suppose I was that newcomer four games ago as The Thing... even though I had played Mafia before, but not like this... no, not like this.


Honestly vot, you are an entirely frustrating player to play with, because you are so confident and yet so wrong. Mafia is a game of information, and you must generate information. Waiting for scum to come out and reveal themselves is stupid, if someone has one post, I will try read it. Voting for people is good. I have played hundreds of games and I am not perfect but trust me, no one else thinks you need concrete evidence to vote/suspect someone, or no one would ever vote . Would love to see 15 vots playing a mountainous game.

I like trying to read the room from memory, because, if scum are doing a good job they go under the radar, so you might forget them. In this case, I didn't think it lead me to the right person so I didn't back it, but I still posted it for info sake.

I will double check on the fusi thing.
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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby pmchugh on Thu Apr 11, 2024 4:06 pm

Fusi posted in all caps and underlined, then the mod used that in the vote count. It could just be mod joking with the vote count but I took it to mean there was something different about his votes. Would be good if he could post some more so we could tell for sure.
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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby pmchugh on Thu Apr 11, 2024 4:11 pm

Extreme Ways wrote:
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*Pixar* wrote:Yeah, I don't see anything about a mod/fusi interaction other than fusi replacing king early in game. For that and the fact that one claim wouldn't hurt before days end.

Vote PMC

Also note last game (Beyond the Walls) we ended day 1 with no lynch and town lost so starting to think no lynch isn't the "Greatest".


The only reason town lost in the last game was because scum were so damn good!!

I don't think we should lynch good experienced players from who we can learn and get good summaries on D1, unless they come forward as really very scummy for a specific reason. Let our cop or seer investigate them rather at first, it can be a huge loss for town if we miss lynch a good experienced player specially in the beginning of the game.

Fun fact, skill is not alignment indicative.

Im going to omgus pmc here for saying I have done no reads when I've done the opposite yesterday and he chose not to interact with them - while he was even on it.

vote pmc


I just went and read all of your posts back and I have no idea what you are talking about. What reads did you post yesterday that I didn't interact with?
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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby pmchugh on Thu Apr 11, 2024 4:12 pm

I love how that's two people accusing me of not interacting with something when like 50% of the whole game is me interacting with people.
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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby strike wolf on Thu Apr 11, 2024 4:55 pm

I don't think we have enough information right now to really say that Fusi has a Post Restriction. He's made one post where he really emphasized his vote and DDS showed that in the vote count but that could be a joke. Having a Post Restriction that limits how much he can say in a day might explain his silence but at this point, suggesting that is purely speculation. I suppose there's a way to check.

DDS can we get a prod on Fusi?

Bandwagons are necessary. You can't lynch any scum if you don't have them but there's a big difference between jumping on a case when it's becoming a bandwagon but you have at least some reasoning on your side and jumping on a case to bandwagon the first time someone suggests they have a serious vote on someone. You had not even given a direct reason for your vote on Extreme yet Loose was all too glad to jump on it when you told everyone you were serious about it.

@Vot: PMC never claimed to be new in that game and if he had, DDS and Pix would have probably called B.S. on him.

I'm always on team push info and a claim on D1. I think it would be good to lynch D1 in a game soon because I think Mafia are starting to get to comfortable early in games whete they aren't threatened by a Day Cop.
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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby Votanic on Thu Apr 11, 2024 5:15 pm

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@Vot: PMC never claimed to be new in that game and if he had, DDS and Pix would have probably called B.S. on him.

I said newcomer, not new at the game.
PMC is claiming "100s of games"...
For all we know, he might be a ringer fresh off the International Grand Champion Circuit*, only showing up here as a gag. Just having fun running circles around a bunch small-timers in the sticks...
...and if not him, then Kong!

* I dunno... Does mafia even have an International Grand Champion Circuit?
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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby Loose Canon on Thu Apr 11, 2024 5:28 pm

My qualm about lynching D1 is not gameplay it is social. I think it is a bit of a downer for players (particularly those who put effort in the game) to be lynched D1.

1. Regarding gameplay (I'm less confident of this than I was btw after reading comments) but my early instinct was a strong one that 2 players are town. There's a lot of discussion elsewhere about the pros and cons of lynching day 1. There was a lot of mathematical discussion in the Thing which I didn't play but have fast read. The maths seems to me to be marginal at best with some dubious bits - that I can't decide if an optimal town strategy is generally proven or not.
But if you are confident that 2 other players are town that changes the equations - it must do surely?

2. Regarding gameplay - the busdriver role in the Wild game drove a coach and horses through the lets rely on evidence from the night strategy then.
Look at the name of this game - Soaps ROLE MADNESS
Yes DDS is inviting us to be silly jokey mad.
But don't be surprised if it is not also alluding to putting investigation chaos roles into the game - I won't be.
And IF that is the case - are even the sit back and analyse experts necessarily going to be smart enough to unravel it?

I think in gameplay we should always #givelynchachance.
But in this game perhaps be more inclined to lynch than normal.

I'm not gonna decide whether to switch my lynch vote and if so to who till tomorrow.
I'll be looking at who has votes, who has contributed least, and maybe also who has argued against lynching in this game - because as I write this I still don't have any strong scum vibes.

All I am Saying is Give Lynch a Chance- is the tune I will sing myself to sleep to tonight. zzzzzzzz
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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby Frank Martel on Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:13 pm

As trending at this news gets on some forums, You will only miss it when its gone..
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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby Votanic on Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:21 pm

Frank Martel wrote:As trending at this news gets on some forums, You will only miss it when its gone..

Huh?
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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby Frank Martel on Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:35 pm

Votanic wrote:
Frank Martel wrote:As trending at this news gets on some forums, You will only miss it when its gone..

Huh?


the trending part is mostly nonsense, until you miss the nonsense:

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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:37 pm

Frank Martel wrote:As trending at this news gets on some forums, You will only miss it when its gone..

This is going to get old real quick. If one more random posts this for Sonic, I'll blacklist him from any future games. My one and only warning.

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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby kongming3 on Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:08 pm

I'm willing to back a lynch push if there's a good shot we can get something for it/have good odds on the lynch. My earlier vote was effectively just a response to the push for lynching, but I have no problem switching it.
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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby fusibaseball on Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:29 pm

Hello Mafia friends

No I do not have a post restriction. My focus has just been elsewhere as there was a significant event this past week in the clan world and we are in Day 1. Especially considering how stacked this game is, I don't give much credence to Day 1 impressions as there are somehow 3 Scum hiding (that seems to be the number floating around) and everyone reads Town/neutral to me, though to varying degrees. My PMC vote was initially a joke vote when I first wrote it but then I had a few days to decompress after last game and it's more of a frustration/respect vote for him thrashing Town so thoroughly last game. At this point I've cooled off so sadly I UNVOTE

I think the most useful thought to offer this early though is that I assume everyone has a PR this game with the title of the game being "Soaps Role Madness". In general I think pushing for a group claim is more advantageous in these situations because you cannot hide behind a generic Vanilla Townie claim. I think in my game as Mafia where I was Godfather we were not given safe claims, and when I was an Electrifier we were given safe claims....if we assume none were given, forcing claims benefits Town because we can quickly weed out a double claim (as happened to Ragian claiming Veteran way back in Prison Mafia) or a dubious claim (Charle claiming "Doc" last game which should have been much more dubious to the remaining Townies than it was).

As for specific impressions...a lot of people have a "brand" by this point as others have alluded to.
1) Vot is just hilarious to read without trying to be with a LOT of volume. Some insightful, some not. But always a good time to read
2) Strike is very insightful and skilled but tends to read as clever (which I know firsthand backfires more often than not...I think I have lost my last 4 games played or so)
3) Ragian is interrogative but he knows to be as Scum regardless. Doesn't inform alignment to me
4) Charle is just here for a good time and vibing.
5) PMC has swapped up his gameplay to be much more talkative. Certainly a devilishly good player so this could be intentional to seem Town after last game or genuine Towniness...I don't know at this stage
6) EW is sort of posturing like he usually does without drawing a line in the sand. "Soft" tactics, that sort of thing. Definitely dangerous though he has flipped Town I think every game so I have no context for when he is Scum-aligned
7) Kong reads genuine Town. He seems new and if he got pulled as Scum that would not have been his first post in the thread. No way
8 ) Pixar is quiet as usual. He tends to draw attention to himself in doing so and gets into trouble in subsequent days but I am learning that is just his default engagement style
9) Traf I think is mostly just phoning it in for Day 1 (which I am certainly at fault of doing more often than not too). Others have said he is deviating this game and it could be a tell, albeit a soft one
10) LC is scattered and assertive and tends to draw attention to himself early in doing so. I've come to appreciate direct play though. Point fingers, cast votes, get some panic going...that's what it's all about.
11) Sonic is deceased RIP you shall be missed brother
12) Dev at this point needs to stop hiding behind only having played a few games. If you had been more confident in intuition you could have won Town last game by helping me talk to Ewe. Trust your gut buddy!
13) Swang is hiding out in this game too I just realized. LC targeted him for "blending in" a few games back and it's true...he does tend to just blend in doesn't he? He does this as Town or Scum though so it doesn't inform an alignment to me.
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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby pmchugh on Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:04 am

I nominate fusi for president, a lot of sense in that post. He nailed the exact reason why I am different this game. Unfortunately, I do have a post activity/information tell. My style is to be an open book and talkative as town, because I think its the most helpful way to play. It screws me over as mafia though, because it's quite hard to be an open book when you know who the wolves are and don't want them lynched.

And vot, you can look up all of my early games in the archive of this site if you really want, although they were like 10 years ago or something so not promising I will be exactly the same. I am not claiming to be a genius, just frustrated by the no lynch style. No Lynch is poison because people can phone it in day 1. I don't mind if a given game ends up there, but if every game does then day 1 is a breeze for mafia. I want them uncomfortable.
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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby kongming3 on Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:37 am

I trust pmc for now at least, so I'm happy to try to put some pressure on people and back you up.
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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby Charle on Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:43 am

kongming3 wrote:I trust pmc for now at least, so I'm happy to try to put some pressure on people and back you up.


I agree and I also think PMC is town and contribute a lot. I have a feeling scum is scared of this and want to get rid of him asap, therefore I am voting whoever I think is scum trying to get rid of PMC. Let's get a claim out of EW.

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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby kongming3 on Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:28 am

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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby Votanic on Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:48 am

Charle wrote:
kongming3 wrote:I trust pmc for now at least, so I'm happy to try to put some pressure on people and back you up.


I agree and I also think PMC is town and contribute a lot. I have a feeling scum is scared of this and want to get rid of him asap, therefore I am voting whoever I think is scum trying to get rid of PMC. Let's get a claim out of EW.

Vote EW

Caharle, Kong, Hold on, both of you...
So now you're stanning PMC and hating on EW...
Okay... who knows? maybe PMC is Town and EW is scum, but I know I don't know that... and I don't know why you think that. I also don't know if either of you are town...
Charle, I already asked you once to give reasons for your tells. I am now asking again... Same for you, Kong.

Do you even have a reason? ...or is this all just 'vibes and ESP?
Or are you just putting random pressure on any convenient target because that's what we're supposed to do on Day 1?

The problem with random Day 1 pressure tactics is everybody knows they are random, and we're more likely than not to just pressure/vote/lynch a townie.

I'm not trying ot defend EW. Right now, he is just another unknown entity... but what makes you think he's scummy... or makes you think that PMC (and LC?) are town and also know how to reliably ID scum?
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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby Charle on Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:59 am

Votanic, I agree, we don't know at this stage. However, I mentioned it before, Kong's mistake at the start makes me think he is town. I do believe PMC is town because of his different play style as in the previous game when I was part of his team.

We still have lots of time, and we can unvote should we need to, but I believe we need to get somewhere and it would be nice to get a claim out of somebody. At the moment I chose EW, as he is pushing for a band wagon on PMC who I believe is town as mentioned above.
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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby Votanic on Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:08 am

Charle wrote:Votanic, I agree, we don't know at this stage. However, I mentioned it before, Kong's mistake at the start makes me think he is town. I do believe PMC is town because of his different play style as in the previous game when I was part of his team.

We still have lots of time, and we can unvote should we need to, but I believe we need to get somewhere and it would be nice to get a claim out of somebody. At the moment I chose EW, as he is pushing for a band wagon on PMC who I believe is town as mentioned above.

Kinda circular argumentation there...

As for claims....
1. Anyone (town, scum, or other) can lie about their role, especially in this 'madness' game.
2. Scum would love to know the PR capabilities of each townie, in order to prioritize their kills.
3. Townies (myself included) don't need to know other townies' PRs.... on the contrary, I'm fine with every town PR keeping his intel to himself and lying about it if necessary.
I just want them to stay alive and use their PRs wisely for the good of town.

So with those three points in mind, explain to me why getting a claim out of EW is going to help town.
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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby Extreme Ways on Fri Apr 12, 2024 6:10 am

Extreme Ways wrote:fusi deserves some attention
I found pmc townie but that thing with rag is super weird???
loose is still in my sus pile

I havent gotten many townie pings except our newcomer.

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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby Extreme Ways on Fri Apr 12, 2024 6:10 am

Charle wrote:
kongming3 wrote:I trust pmc for now at least, so I'm happy to try to put some pressure on people and back you up.


I agree and I also think PMC is town and contribute a lot. I have a feeling scum is scared of this and want to get rid of him asap, therefore I am voting whoever I think is scum trying to get rid of PMC. Let's get a claim out of EW.

Vote EW

Can you show me where I have tried to get rid of kong?

Afterwards I will show you how I have manouvered around kong.
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Re: Soaps Role Madness! Day 1

Postby Charle on Fri Apr 12, 2024 6:17 am

Extreme Ways wrote:
Charle wrote:
kongming3 wrote:I trust pmc for now at least, so I'm happy to try to put some pressure on people and back you up.


I agree and I also think PMC is town and contribute a lot. I have a feeling scum is scared of this and want to get rid of him asap, therefore I am voting whoever I think is scum trying to get rid of PMC. Let's get a claim out of EW.

Vote EW

Can you show me where I have tried to get rid of kong?

Afterwards I will show you how I have manouvered around kong.


I am not talking about Kong, I am referring to PMC.
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