EW's Semi-Open Matrix Madness

[pmchugh]

I feel like, in general, switching the vote to DDS was good for scum but had some downsides. It was good to get DDS, a more talkative player removed, and it would set up the narrative for the next day getting two townies lynched for the price of one, but getting involved in switching the vote could be seen as scummy.

My gut tells me whoever vot visited is scum, because he probably had good reason to look at them suspiciously. I think that scum have been playing well in the thread but making mistakes at night. They killed LC by misreading him as a PR and night 1 they seemed to be trying to avoid protected players.

My reads haven't changed massively but it's probably worth a reread at some point with perspective now knowing both swang and DDS were town.

[Ragian]

I'm sorry for the early absence D3. It's the exam period and I'm drowning. However, the written exams are done after today, and then I'll be here like a...something that's here a lot, but I don't want to write leech

Anyway, Vot stands unopposed as town PR, which makes him town. Well played town PR, too, given that he hasn't given off enough town vibe to paint a target on his back in terms of nightkill. I don't know if that was on purpose, though I don't think I understand why the big reveal needs to be dragged out, however. I do know that you like theatrics, but let's say that you've caught scum, I'm sure they're in their day chat now discussing how to manipulate this if they fear being caught.

It's nice to see Devante back. I would like to explore why you suspect Charle. I do so myself, you see, but I fear that I'm doing so for bruised ego reasons.

[Votanic]

Anyway, Vot stands unopposed as town PR, which makes him town. Well played town PR, too, given that he hasn't given off enough town vibe to paint a target on his back in terms of nightkill. I don't know if that was on purpose, though I don't think I understand why the big reveal needs to be dragged out, however. I do know that you like theatrics, but let's say that you've caught scum, I'm sure they're in their day chat now discussing how to manipulate this if they fear being caught.

It's nice to see Devante back. I would like to explore why you suspect Charle. I do so myself, you see, but I fear that I'm doing so for bruised ego reasons.

A Town PR, yes,...such as it is. However, everything I said about Town's PRs being insufficient to the task were not said as deflection, I meant them sincerely, and still do...

Therefore, Rags, I think you can guess why I'm dragging this out.... Two reasons actually.
1. I'm trying to make a little go along way. Nothing I have learned has directly identified anyone as Scum or Town, but just maybe we (that is Town) can intuitively figure something out or at least improve our deductions guesses... No, I won't say 'deductions' becuase this wretched game design is dead-set on minimizing Town's deductive abilities...
2.Revealing the identies of who I saw may very likely benefit Scum more than Town. That should be obvious. Right now neither Scum or Town are sure who I tracked, once I reveal either party, scum will once again know more than Town...

Speaking of which, FOS @ PMC for trying to bait out the Player Y identity.
He's too experienced a player to naively make such a request.

[Charle]

Finaly some info so if what Vot says is true, then our matrix is 2, how this will help us find the scum, I'm not sure about, have to sleep on that I guess.

Ok King, with this post you actually soft claim either Town Inventer or Town Doctor (I don't think scum would reveal this info). You could not visit anybody as doctor so if Vot visited you, and you can confirm you tracked somebody last night with no result, then your result should confirm at least one town player (I assume that scum would used both their roles as watcher and blocker and the goon would have killed LC). Else you are the doctor and can protect Vot tonight if you are alive.

If Vot visited somebody else, then that person is confirmed scum, either the Mafia 2 Shot Watcher, or the Miafia Roleblocker, unless King is doctor and Vot visited town tracker but that can easily be confirmed at L-2.

@Vot, I think it will be good to reveal who you visited, as that person is our next lynch. Obviously King has to confirm that my theory is correct and that I read his post correctly.

[Charle]

We can go further, if we know Vot visited scum, as explained above, then the other person who was visited by scum as confirmed by Vot will also be town.

[Ragian]

Unless scum visited scum in order to throw town off course by town-confirming fellow scum. Hold your horses there, Charle...

[Charle]

Unless scum visited scum in order to throw town off course by town-confirming fellow scum. Hold your horses there, Charle...

So why would town block themself or waste one of 2 shot watchers on that if they are not even sure someone will track them? Do you really think that would be possible?

Anyway, I think Vot could have visited scum, and that can be confirmed by King or our Town Inventer. (Obviously if King can just confirm that I read his original post correctly - that he is either the doctor or inventor because he immediately knew we are on scenario 2 after Vot's Claim).

[Votanic]

Unless scum visited scum in order to throw town off course by town-confirming fellow scum. Hold your horses there, Charle...

This is the most absurd supposition in the entire game! ...so far anyway.
Rags, I'll give you a chance to retract this statement.
If you doubles-down, it means you must have pried the Sonic-sceptre from LC's cold, dead fingers.

[Charle]

It would really be nice if King could comment here, that can bring us one step closer.

[pmchugh]

Anyway, Vot stands unopposed as town PR, which makes him town. Well played town PR, too, given that he hasn't given off enough town vibe to paint a target on his back in terms of nightkill. I don't know if that was on purpose, though I don't think I understand why the big reveal needs to be dragged out, however. I do know that you like theatrics, but let's say that you've caught scum, I'm sure they're in their day chat now discussing how to manipulate this if they fear being caught.

It's nice to see Devante back. I would like to explore why you suspect Charle. I do so myself, you see, but I fear that I'm doing so for bruised ego reasons.

A Town PR, yes,...such as it is. However, everything I said about Town's PRs being insufficient to the task were not said as deflection, I meant them sincerely, and still do...

Therefore, Rags, I think you can guess why I'm dragging this out.... Two reasons actually.
1. I'm trying to make a little go along way. Nothing I have learned has directly identified anyone as Scum or Town, but just maybe we (that is Town) can intuitively figure something out or at least improve our deductions guesses... No, I won't say 'deductions' becuase this wretched game design is dead-set on minimizing Town's deductive abilities...
2.Revealing the identies of who I saw may very likely benefit Scum more than Town. That should be obvious. Right now neither Scum or Town are sure who I tracked, once I reveal either party, scum will once again know more than Town...

Speaking of which, FOS @ PMC for trying to bait out the Player Y identity.
He's too experienced a player to naively make such a request.

Oh ffs. I was just coming here to be like, OK vot is town lead, let's listen to him. But we can't agree on the colour of grass. Player Ys identity being revealed does nothing. But if you want to FOS me again go right a fucking head.

[Ragian]

Unless scum visited scum in order to throw town off course by town-confirming fellow scum. Hold your horses there, Charle...

This is the most absurd supposition in the entire game! ...so far anyway.
Rags, I'll give you a chance to retract this statement.
If you doubles-down, it means you must have pried the Sonic-sceptre from LC's cold, dead fingers.

I completely understand that you don't understand. Talking from experience here, though.

[Votanic]

(Ignoring Ragian)

@KingM, I agree with Charle, you need to come before the Town (& Scum...) Council to further elucidate/obfuscate what you were soft-claiming or lying about.

[SoN!c]

Unless scum visited scum in order to throw town off course by town-confirming fellow scum. Hold your horses there, Charle...

This is the most absurd supposition in the entire game! ...so far anyway.
Rags, I'll give you a chance to retract this statement.
If you doubles-down, it means you must have pried the Sonic-sceptre from LC's cold, dead fingers.

The number of times i get mentioned in here, without being actualy in this game is mindblowing. "The Sonic sceptre". Well i like it. Thx Vot

[Votanic]

Unless scum visited scum in order to throw town off course by town-confirming fellow scum. Hold your horses there, Charle...

This is the most absurd supposition in the entire game! ...so far anyway.
Rags, I'll give you a chance to retract this statement.
If you doubles-down, it means you must have pried the Sonic-sceptre from LC's cold, dead fingers.

The number of times i get mentioned in here, without being actualy in this game is mindblowing. "The Sonic scepter. Well i like it. Thx Vot

Sure, of course, that was your idea all along wasn't it, Sonic?
To become the archetype for all selfish players who amuse themselves with absurdly poor and distracting posts and plays, ... and never even care that your own team suffers because of it.
If you don't believe me, just look. see how your desperate need for attention has even brought you into a game you never joined.

[SoN!c]

Unless scum visited scum in order to throw town off course by town-confirming fellow scum. Hold your horses there, Charle...

This is the most absurd supposition in the entire game! ...so far anyway.
Rags, I'll give you a chance to retract this statement.
If you doubles-down, it means you must have pried the Sonic-sceptre from LC's cold, dead fingers.

The number of times i get mentioned in here, without being actualy in this game is mindblowing. "The Sonic scepter. Well i like it. Thx Vot

Sure, of course, that was your idea all along wasn't it, Sonic?
To become the archetype for all selfish players who amuse themselves with absurdly poor and distracting posts and plays, ... and never even care that your own team suffers because of it.
If you don't believe me, just look. see how your desperate need for attention has even brought you into a game you never joined.

The only attention seeker i see is you Vot. If its not your way its the highway. In the end you'll end up playing against you. Everybody else will have had enough. Why do you think im not in this game to begin with?

Every time i see your name i think of Cher and Daryl in the Witches of Eastwick..https://www.facebook.com/goodoldmovies/ ... 7S9Ucbxw6v

In case you don't get it; You are physically repulsive, intellectually retarded, you're morally reprehensible, vulgar, insensitive, selfish, stupid, you have no taste, a lousy sense of humor and you smell. You're not even interesting enough to make me sick.

[Votanic]

Unless scum visited scum in order to throw town off course by town-confirming fellow scum. Hold your horses there, Charle...

This is the most absurd supposition in the entire game! ...so far anyway.
Rags, I'll give you a chance to retract this statement.
If you doubles-down, it means you must have pried the Sonic-sceptre from LC's cold, dead fingers.

The number of times i get mentioned in here, without being actualy in this game is mindblowing. "The Sonic scepter. Well i like it. Thx Vot

Sure, of course, that was your idea all along wasn't it, Sonic?
To become the archetype for all selfish players who amuse themselves with absurdly poor and distracting posts and plays, ... and never even care that your own team suffers because of it.
If you don't believe me, just look. see how your desperate need for attention has even brought you into a game you never joined.

The only attention seeker i see is you Vot. If its not your way its the highway. In the end you'll end up playing against you. Everybody else will have had enough. Why do you think im not in this game to begin with?

Every time i see your name i think of Cher and Daryl in the Witches of Eastwick..https://www.facebook.com/goodoldmovies/ ... 7S9Ucbxw6v

In case you don't get it; You are physically repulsive, intellectually retarded, you're morally reprehensible, vulgar, insensitive, selfish, stupid, you have no taste, a lousy sense of humor and you smell. You're not even interesting enough to make me sick.

If I really am the reason this game lacks your incompetent presence, then I am to be commended, however I recall you were already pouting about some other matter which was also your own fault. Now go away before somebody decides that access to the mafia games needs to be password-protected.

[Kingm]

Unless scum visited scum in order to throw town off course by town-confirming fellow scum. Hold your horses there, Charle...

So why would town block themself or waste one of 2 shot watchers on that if they are not even sure someone will track them? Do you really think that would be possible?

Anyway, I think Vot could have visited scum, and that can be confirmed by King or our Town Inventer. (Obviously if King can just confirm that I read his original post correctly - that he is either the doctor or inventor because he immediately knew we are on scenario 2 after Vot's Claim).

Yeah I'm one of those 2 roles

[Votanic]

Unless scum visited scum in order to throw town off course by town-confirming fellow scum. Hold your horses there, Charle...

So why would town block themself or waste one of 2 shot watchers on that if they are not even sure someone will track them? Do you really think that would be possible?

Anyway, I think Vot could have visited scum, and that can be confirmed by King or our Town Inventer. (Obviously if King can just confirm that I read his original post correctly - that he is either the doctor or inventor because he immediately knew we are on scenario 2 after Vot's Claim).

Yeah I'm one of those 2 roles

Okay then, and since last night was an even-night I don't think you could be the Doctor... so does this mean you are the Inventor and you gave one of your two inventions to another player last night?
And if so, how would you even know that the other player was Town? ...or did you just take a guess?

[Votanic]

Unless scum visited scum in order to throw town off course by town-confirming fellow scum. Hold your horses there, Charle...

So why would town block themself or waste one of 2 shot watchers on that if they are not even sure someone will track them? Do you really think that would be possible?

Anyway, I think Vot could have visited scum, and that can be confirmed by King or our Town Inventer. (Obviously if King can just confirm that I read his original post correctly - that he is either the doctor or inventor because he immediately knew we are on scenario 2 after Vot's Claim).

Yeah I'm one of those 2 roles

Okay then, and since last night was an even-night I don't think you could be the Doctor... so does this mean you are the Inventor and you gave one of your two inventions to another player last night?
And if so, how would you even know that the other player was Town? ...or did you just take a guess?

These questions are deuctions I made from what you've already said... but you don't need to confirm them, and it might be better if you do not, since I'm not sure how having this information made public will benefit Town.
We also don't need to know which invention you gave or if you already gave the other one away earlier. I just hope you gave them to worthy (good town) players...

All of this concern about PRs doesn't change the fact that they may likely not amount to much, ... but still we should take every opportunity available.
Who knows Something might just hit a crucial target.

[Charle]

oh no, this is just what we do not wanted to hear. I really hoped Vot visited scum, that would have confirmed one scum and one townie.

This means at least we have two confirmed towns, Votanic, and King, actually three, me included.

So Vot, you visited King and you know who he gave his power to. Both King and Vot knows who has that power (we don't know which one or could he handed over both?) and guys please don't reveal that. Doc should save Vot I hope. I would presume scum will probably block Vot and kill King so maybe doc can save King. Nice options so scum would have to guess .

King cannot be scum, as he knows it is Matrix 2 and not A. I just wonder how did King knows who to hand his power to, hopefully not scum.

At the moment:
Confirmed Town:
Charle
Votanic
King

Possible Scum:
Strike
Dev
pmc
Kong
Pixar
Max
Ragian
Fusi
(in order of signups)

Vot, who of those should by lynched?

[Votanic]

oh no, this is just what we do not wanted to hear. I really hoped Vot visited scum, that would have confirmed one scum and one townie.

This means at least we have two confirmed towns, Votanic, and King, actually three, me included.

So Vot, you visited King and you know who he gave his power to. Both King and Vot knows who has that power (we don't know which one or could he handed over both?) and guys please don't reveal that. Doc should save Vot I hope. I would presume scum will probably block Vot and kill King so maybe doc can save King. Nice options so scum would have to guess .

King cannot be scum, as he knows it is Matrix 2 and not A. I just wonder how did King knows who to hand his power to, hopefully not scum.

At the moment:
Confirmed Town:
Charle
Votanic
King

Possible Scum:
Strike
Dev
pmc
Kong
Pixar
Max
Ragian
Fusi
(in order of signups)

Vot, who of those should by lynched?

Charle... I didn't say I visited KingM, where are you getting that from?

[Kingm]

Unless scum visited scum in order to throw town off course by town-confirming fellow scum. Hold your horses there, Charle...

So why would town block themself or waste one of 2 shot watchers on that if they are not even sure someone will track them? Do you really think that would be possible?

Anyway, I think Vot could have visited scum, and that can be confirmed by King or our Town Inventer. (Obviously if King can just confirm that I read his original post correctly - that he is either the doctor or inventor because he immediately knew we are on scenario 2 after Vot's Claim).

Yeah I'm one of those 2 roles

Okay then, and since last night was an even-night I don't think you could be the Doctor... so does this mean you are the Inventor and you gave one of your two inventions to another player last night?
And if so, how would you even know that the other player was Town? ...or did you just take a guess?

These questions are deuctions I made from what you've already said... but you don't need to confirm them, and it might be better if you do not, since I'm not sure how having this information made public will benefit Town.
We also don't need to know which invention you gave or if you already gave the other one away earlier. I just hope you gave them to worthy (good town) players...

All of this concern about PRs doesn't change the fact that they may likely not amount to much, ... but still we should take every opportunity available.
Who knows Something might just hit a crucial target.

I'm just playing with an open hand,I was the town inventor, I gave away town tracker to LC, so that was lost, and I have also given away the roleblock to another player who think is town

[Votanic]

Unless scum visited scum in order to throw town off course by town-confirming fellow scum. Hold your horses there, Charle...

So why would town block themself or waste one of 2 shot watchers on that if they are not even sure someone will track them? Do you really think that would be possible?

Anyway, I think Vot could have visited scum, and that can be confirmed by King or our Town Inventer. (Obviously if King can just confirm that I read his original post correctly - that he is either the doctor or inventor because he immediately knew we are on scenario 2 after Vot's Claim).

Yeah I'm one of those 2 roles

Okay then, and since last night was an even-night I don't think you could be the Doctor... so does this mean you are the Inventor and you gave one of your two inventions to another player last night?
And if so, how would you even know that the other player was Town? ...or did you just take a guess?

These questions are deuctions I made from what you've already said... but you don't need to confirm them, and it might be better if you do not, since I'm not sure how having this information made public will benefit Town.
We also don't need to know which invention you gave or if you already gave the other one away earlier. I just hope you gave them to worthy (good town) players...

All of this concern about PRs doesn't change the fact that they may likely not amount to much, ... but still we should take every opportunity available.
Who knows Something might just hit a crucial target.

I'm just playing with an open hand,I was the town inventor, I gave away town tracker to LC, so that was lost, and I have also given away the roleblock to another player who think is town

What you say is believable... and if so, I hope whoever got the Role Block is a townie who can use it well... but overall, Town's PRs need some exceptionally lucky guesswork and timing to give any imprtantly beneficial result.
In fact, Im even thinking that Town's PRs could even be more of a liability than a help at this point...

Also still waiting on Charle's response to my question.

[Charle]

Charle... I didn't say I visited KingM, where are you getting that from?

Well it is great news if you did not, I assumed by the following quote you visited him

Okay then, and since last night was an even-night I don't think you could be the Doctor... so does this mean you are the Inventor and you gave one of your two inventions to another player last night?
And if so, how would you even know that the other player was Town? ...or did you just take a guess?

I assumed that you saw movement at Kingm, therefore he could only be the Inventor and not the doctor. If you did visit him, then you both now know who has the one time role block received from King.

Anyway Vot, if you did not visit King last night then it is absolutely great news!

We now know that Kingm handed his items over and his role is not important anymore, same as vanilla, so he is safe for tonight. We can now assume that our doc will save you, but scum will also block you tonight and we have a 50% chance of killing scum blocker.

The point now is, only Kingm could visit somebody for town as Doc had an even night. If you did not visit King, then the person you visited is scum and obviously the person he visited is town. You will be able to reveal scum who we can lynch and we will have another confirmed town. Looks like we can work this out!

[strike wolf]

Death in the family. Likely won't be here for the next 2-3 days.