EW's Semi-Open Matrix Madness

[Charle]

All of a sudden Devante, Pixar and Fusi appear from the deep dark and laid their eggs.

Just wondering if scum said to each other, "hey guys, post something, they want to start lynching inactive players".

Yes and Kong was much more talkative the previous game.

[*Pixar*]

All of a sudden Devante, Pixar and Fusi appear from the deep dark and laid their eggs.

Just wondering if scum said to each other, "hey guys, post something, they want to start lynching inactive players".

Yes and Kong was much more talkative the previous game.

Nah I'm just a vanilla townie, feel free to lynch me or even replace me if needed. I don't have the time to go through all of this at this point in the year especially with just being a vanilla. Game started early May, was expecting this to be done by early June, we ar enow heading into July

[pmchugh]

All of a sudden Devante, Pixar and Fusi appear from the deep dark and laid their eggs.

Just wondering if scum said to each other, "hey guys, post something, they want to start lynching inactive players".

Yes and Kong was much more talkative the previous game.

Honestly strong observation. Although it may also just be townies worried about being lynched when they normally ignore posts. Pixar is infamous for responding to any direct comment and nothing else.

[Ragian]

I agree with Charle to be honest.

@Pixar, do you honestly want to be subbed?

[Votanic]

I agree with Charle to be honest.

@Pixar, do you honestly want to be subbed?

lol... are you trying to start a stampede, Rags?

[*Pixar*]

I agree with Charle to be honest.

@Pixar, do you honestly want to be subbed?

Yes, if Son!c wants to take my spot, I'm all for it. Would have to ask Mod permission though.

[Votanic]

I agree with Charle to be honest.

@Pixar, do you honestly want to be subbed?

Yes, if Son!c wants to take my spot, I'm all for it. Would have to ask Mod permission though.

omg, ...this game.
We'll never descend to the bottom if it becomes a bottomless pit.

[SoN!c]

I agree with Charle to be honest.

@Pixar, do you honestly want to be subbed?

Yes, if Son!c wants to take my spot, I'm all for it. Would have to ask Mod permission though.

omg, ...this game.
We'll never descend to the bottom if it becomes a bottomless pit.

Pixar the moviemaker

[Votanic]

I agree with Charle to be honest.

@Pixar, do you honestly want to be subbed?

Yes, if Son!c wants to take my spot, I'm all for it. Would have to ask Mod permission though.

omg, ...this game.
We'll never descend to the bottom if it becomes a bottomless pit.

Sonic, potentially, after all of you bad behavior both as a playerm and now as a non-plyer troll, ...you could (and should) be permanently disinvited from joining any Mafia games Though frankly, I doubt there is enough drive or cohesion around here for that to be enforced. So I guess you'll just be free to keep wrecking things, and it will be up to other players to just move on and leave you to it.
So keep on laughing, ...and failing to notice that you're the only one doing so.

[Charle]

Guys, let's focus on this game and move forward please.

I am very happy to vote for Devante, Max or Kong, and will go for what town decide. Unfortunately, we do not have anything more to work on, let's get on with it.

PS. We need to finish this game so that we can start Vot's game

[Votanic]

Guys, let's focus on this game and move forward please.

I am very happy to vote for Devante, Max or Kong, and will go for what town decide. Unfortunately, we do not have anything more to work on, let's get on with it.

PS. We need to finish this game so that we can start Vot's game

...so why those three?
Say something that makes it look like you just didn't pull them out of a hat (marked townies).

[Charle]

Guys, let's focus on this game and move forward please.

I am very happy to vote for Devante, Max or Kong, and will go for what town decide. Unfortunately, we do not have anything more to work on, let's get on with it.

PS. We need to finish this game so that we can start Vot's game

...so why those three?
Say something that makes it look like you just didn't pull them out of a hat (marked townies).

At the moment is almost "out of a hat" all we have. My reasons for those three:
Devante played very different right in the beginning and he was still on my wolf list back in my mind from D1.
Kong normally is way more active and post constructive posts, this time it is as he only gets in and cast a vote or do something just to stay in.
Max because he is very inactive and do not contribute here at all. (also his name sounds very mafia to me )

All three's game play are way different than the previous games.

[Votanic]

Guys, let's focus on this game and move forward please.

I am very happy to vote for Devante, Max or Kong, and will go for what town decide. Unfortunately, we do not have anything more to work on, let's get on with it.

PS. We need to finish this game so that we can start Vot's game

...so why those three?
Say something that makes it look like you just didn't pull them out of a hat (marked townies).

At the moment is almost "out of a hat" all we have. My reasons for those three:
Devante played very different right in the beginning and he was still on my wolf list back in my mind from D1.
Kong normally is way more active and post constructive posts, this time it is as he only gets in and cast a vote or do something just to stay in.
Max because he is very inactive and do not contribute here at all. (also his name sounds very mafia to me )

All three's game play are way different than the previous games.

A full day after your post, Charle and I'm the only one that bothers to show up.
The others seem much more obstinant in their contempt for this game than myself.
Actually, I am the one being as minimally cynical as possible, ...though it is somewhat satisfying to be right.

Devante just seems to be busy and preoccupied, ...but that could certainly be a usefully sincere front for a Scum player.
Kong said some weird things that could be taken as scum-tells or soft-claims of townishness, ... however, he now doesn't bother to even show up, which is rather hard to spin as townish.
Max is total douchebag IRL, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's scum here, ...However he certainly played as Town very badly on Day 1... If we have to lose a townie, he would be a good one to lose... and who knows? We might even get lucky and find he actually is scum. Unvote, Vote Max.

Pixars desperate plea to be replaced certainly sounded Townish... BTW, thank you EW for not doing so, that really would have been the death-knell.
If he did that as scum, then I'll have to re-evaluate him as being a most exceptionally daring deceiver.

Charle, strike, PMC, and Fusi all are coming off as reasonably helpful and townish...
But let's be frank here, It is very easy to strike such a pose while actually being scum.
Ragian might also be included in this group, though his behavior has been more eccentric.

After all, as I've said before: Town should play as Town 100%, Scum should play as Town 99.9%.

[Ragian]

I like the points made about Devante and Kong, but I have to disagree with the notion that Max is playing differently. I get pmc's point that if scum, Max shouldn't change his MO, but right now he's getting heat, which would encourage a scum Max to appease the accusers...

I think Devante, Kong, or perhaps Fusi are the ones that I would vote for based on their input (or lack thereof) the last 25 pages.

Also, sorry for the absence the last couple of days finishing up the school year. Summer now and loads of time.

[Extreme Ways]

Deadline as per usual, midnight my time next week.
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/g ... nt=cursive

I would appreciate a hammer before then, though.

SONIC HAS SUBBED IN FOR PIXAR

Votecount:
Charle: 1 - , Sonic
Max: 2 - Charle, Votanic
Sonic: 1 - Max
Kong: 1 - PMC

[SoN!c]

SONIC HAS SUBBED IN FOR PIXAR

Pixars desperate plea to be replaced certainly sounded Townish... BTW, thank you EW for not doing so, that really would have been the death-knell.
If he did that as scum, then I'll have to re-evaluate him as being a most exceptionally daring deceiver.

The look on Vot's face when he reads this must be priceless

PS: Yes, Devante can relax: Pixar is not scum (in this game Dev, just in this game)

[Votanic]

SONIC HAS SUBBED IN FOR PIXAR

Pixars desperate plea to be replaced certainly sounded Townish... BTW, thank you EW for not doing so, that really would have been the death-knell.
If he did that as scum, then I'll have to re-evaluate him as being a most exceptionally daring deceiver.

The look on Vot's face when he reads this must be priceless

PS: Yes, Devante can relax: Pixar is not scum (in this game Dev, just in this game)

Again Sonic, nobody on your team is smiling about having you play, ...though I suppose Pixar is giving a sigh of relief.

[SoN!c]

SONIC HAS SUBBED IN FOR PIXAR

Pixars desperate plea to be replaced certainly sounded Townish... BTW, thank you EW for not doing so, that really would have been the death-knell.
If he did that as scum, then I'll have to re-evaluate him as being a most exceptionally daring deceiver.

The look on Vot's face when he reads this must be priceless

PS: Yes, Devante can relax: Pixar is not scum (in this game Dev, just in this game)

Again Sonic, nobody on your team is smiling about having you play, ...though I suppose Pixar is giving a sigh of relief.

What a dumb stupid reply Vot. Are we in a game or are we in a funeral? Please sub me out of here

Why don't you try to bring up some good gameplay and figure this out a bit?

And my team is town team - im sure you know- so your on the other team then?

[SoN!c]

Finaly some info so if what Vot says is true, then our matrix is 2, how this will help us find the scum, I'm not sure about, have to sleep on that I guess.

With this post everything was in the open (if both are telling the truth).

Vot claims 3 shot-tracker resulting in A, B, 1 or 2 Matrix and King saying its matrix 2 means King is our town inventor (the doctor is an odd night doctor, im sure the doctor himself would know that, and the doctor is also in A and 1).

So the big question is:
A) Is there a matrix scenario where you (Vot) would false claim a role (hoping your fake claimed role corresponds with actual real town roles) and B) would you (Kingm) try to flip the AB12 matrix into a false one?

You voted Swang while you visited him with no result. At that stage of the game you could say the goon would kill and the other two would move aswell. So Swang would be very likely town.. but you voted him while you also knew rest of town is allmost all vanilla with very little other PR.

Mafia already knows in which matrix we are, but running the scenario's i can't see the benefit in a false claim? With a counterclaim town majority always wins and there is none. Every townie that has a PR and sees we are not in matrix 2 (or B) should have counterclaimed by now..

So Vot and Kingm in matrix 2 (or B) means we still have an unknown odd doctor who needs to stay hidden and help either Vot or King (not likely he handed out all of his inventions) but there is also a mafia role blocker and a 2 shot watcher in here next to the goon that could send in the kill....meaning the lynch needs to be spot on the mafia role blocker. He is coming out to play tonight.

Vot our 3 shot tracker has already used up 2 of his powers (swang and kingm), kingm our inventor gave his inventions away to LC and a unknown - so they could be used up, we don't know, lets hope not but LC is dead anyways.
Vot hinted he knew King gave something to LC (he mentioned "why to him?" - so that would be LC). So Vot confirms King. And there is no counterclaim. We are in matrix 2 or B. thats all we know after the start (Sat May 04).
We just need to start lynching away as our powers are used up or almost used up anyways. One player sounded real scummy to me:

Vote pmchugh

[SoN!c]

Above post is pretty long yes but its a 3 month resumé so just posting it to check i got it as spare..

Now we need to start lynching or we are here together with santa claus

[pmchugh]

Explain yourself.

[Votanic]

Explain yourself.

Okay, that's funny, ...but its also not funny.

[SoN!c]

Explain yourself.

What part? That we are in matrix 2 or in matrix B? That Vot has confirmed King? The answer to that should be yes 100%

King is confirmed by Vot and Vot has no counterclaim..that's about all we have to go on.

And that's Vot who voted Swang while he knew he didn't move (that would mean he believed Swang was the Goon and mafia would have risked exposing their PR if he believed Swang was Scum).
Pretty hard to swallow Swang would be thar Goon but that is what we have here.

Then King gave 1 invention away fur sure (Vot confirmed that too) but King claimed he gave both away - one to LC (again semi confirmed by Vot "why to him?") who is dead and so is his chance to use it.
Now why would you give both inventions away if you don't even know you give them to town or scum...??
(i hope King did not gave both away but if he did i hope he gave one to Fusi).

Whatever - we are in a shitcan. It comes down to blind voting % - random odds because we have better numbers then the 3 scummies. Only Fusi made 100% sense to me tbh. Everybody else was 99,9% at least. Even Ragian when he made that one post. Im sure everybody knows what post im referring too. Sure, being vanilla and not having anything to go on can make you go there especially when the 3 shot tracker uses 2 tracks on first 2 nights making it a random odds game..and not doing anything with his Swang results..
Charle could be 100% too but he was too active to get 100%. He was even in this game on sundays for crying out loud.. Charle, you should hide your online status like i do so your name won't show up in the "people browsing this forum" line at the bottom of this page. Seeing you on weekends makes me think your scum. This is no thing a Vanilla Charle would do. Ofcourse just a feeling but why would you be in here so much on weekends? That is your family time afterall. So no I can't vote Charle at this moment but yes Charle could be scum. But if he's not he is one of the best Vanilla's we got in here, trying to solve the puzzle. And just like Charle being in here too much for a vanilla townie there is something off with you too PMC. Too much "believability" lines and too many little seeds you planted compared to your skill / regular gameplay against what you did in here.

[pmchugh]

I meant for voting me lol. That comes across as insincere now. If you really thought I was scummy you would know what I was asking.

[SoN!c]

I meant for voting me lol. That comes across as insincere now. If you really thought I was scummy you would know what I was asking.

I did, just wanted to see your reaction and you did not dissapoint.

Let me put it this way: the game has been running for months and we are nowhere. Is this were we would be with a town PMC on our side or is this exactly where a scum PMC wants us to be?

I think that answers your question.