EW's Semi-Open Matrix Madness

[Ragian]

Only with DDS, I was able to compare it to loads of earlier games. I'm not privy to that with Devante. Also, no one cared and I can't lynch him on my own :'(

[SoN!c]

5 hours before deadline.. we need to hammer somebody on random luck anyways.. unvote and vote Max

God knows he deserves it for whatever it was he was going to say

If blind random lady luck is not on our side well played Charle, PMC and Ragian

[SoN!c]

Also i wish to say i really enjoyed this game, i could not turn the tanker but everyb9dy was great in his own way so thx for that. We have to make our own fun

I got a few things to say here tomorrow/later

Max on 5 votes needs a hammer guys. Just do it..or don't.. butt´ that would be bad

[pmchugh]

Given the rules, he dies anyway.

[SoN!c]

Given the rules, he dies anyway.

So your already saying that with the one factional mandatory mafia assigned kill its game over and all remaining townies die anyway ?

Thats a Grand Marnier style of win PMC

[Ragian]

No, he's saying that the rules in this game are that the one with the most votes at deadline is lynched.

[SoN!c]

No, he's saying that the rules in this game are that the one with the most votes at deadline is lynched.

Well i missed that somehow, where is that stated?

PMC is already popping the champagne here and your making excuses for it?

Rules should be in opening post if deviant and there is nothing there about this?

[SoN!c]

I've been following the thread and haven't have too much to add. Just to follow up on my long post from earlier with clearer thoughts on my arguments:

We have a lot of Vanillas this game (#VanillaLivesMatter). In these cases, if you're voting for someone, you should be legitimately interested in lynching said person. They can just claim Vanilla and then just "pressure" doesn't really accomplish much.

In games where everyone has a power role, I feel bandwagons and forcing out claims is more useful in comparison, especially really early like Day 1 or 2, because you force a Scum to follow the same thread throughout the entire game. Oftentimes discrepancies will arise by the time you reach final 5 or whatever and you can weed out whose story hasn't really added up through all the night results.

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Regarding the PMC lynch contract with the groups, I guess you could put me on a Selective Lynchers list. There's about half the group I would not be interested in lynching anytime soon because I'm fairly sure they're town. PMC and LC are at the top of my list for Town because they contribute independent, objective thoughts to how they're approaching this Matrix setup. That to me is the hallmark of Towniness...being investigative. It's similar to my thoughts on Sonic for many games before this...I PERSONALLY just have a hard time believing a Mafia player would write so much and in all that text never say something self-incriminating. Sure enough, he was Town pretty much every game even though he was constantly FOS'ed. I see the same thing happening to PMC and LC here. I'd like to see an actual Scum take the time to come up with a plan as elaborate as LC's just for the sake of "looking Town". I don't care if I get FOS'ed for writing my own thoughts...people seem to love doing that. I'm usually on the right track which is part of why I get chronically night killed early.

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I see a lot of people have jumped on my Swang train, so the question is, am I legitimately interested in lynching Swang? I assume he'll just claim Vanilla if he's scum, as any PR will just be counterclaimed and a 1:1 trade town for Scum at this stage is always worth. I am, for a few reasons people seem to be missing since I initially voted, primarily relating to the intel it generates:

1) If Swang is Scum, myself, Kong, and Vot should be virtually confirmed Townies for people actively reading the thread. No way would fellows Scums A) start the vote against him when he had no prior heat (myself), B) actively jump on a bandwagon with no supporting evidence (Kong), or C) strongly agree with my argument within 24 hours and later join the vote (Vot). That's a huge amount of intel that can weed out a lot of Townies and wasted time and votes to help hone targets.
2) If Swang is Scum, I feel Max is probably Scum as well, and my plan has been to go after him Day 2 should my Swang vote happen to materialize. I think within 5 minutes of me posting, Max just said "FOS Fusi" when all I was doing was sharing my thoughts on the Matrix and he seemed to have zero interest in giving Swang any attention. That to me was pretty noticeable.
3) If Swang is Scum, Dev is virtually confirmed Townie because Swang's brief attention to the game resulted in him voting for Dev. I don't think Scum votes for Scum Day 1 under all but the most extreme circumstances, of which this is not
4) If Swang is Town, later vote bandwagoners become slightly incriminated for me, as I think Scum would probably send 1 (maybe 2) people from their group out to the vote and leave the others in reserves. So if 8 people end up voting for him, I'd say there's almost certainly 1 Scum (maybe 2) in the last 4 or 5 voters, while the rest of Scum likely did not participate in the vote. I hesitate to say that, because legitimate Townies should be interesting in joining the vote considering the above reasoning and I don't want to scare people off, but it's an important thought that I feel should be shared

Fusi's 2000 post about Swang and why Max should / could be scum if Swang is.. Hammer deadline is 1 hour away guys. Id like to see a hammer out of principle. Only reason not is scumwagon vibes if he flips town as expected

[Extreme Ways]

No, he's saying that the rules in this game are that the one with the most votes at deadline is lynched.

Well i missed that somehow, where is that stated?

PMC is already popping the champagne here and your making excuses for it?

Rules should be in opening post if deviant and there is nothing there about this?

this is correct

[SoN!c]

No, he's saying that the rules in this game are that the one with the most votes at deadline is lynched.

Well i missed that somehow, where is that stated?

PMC is already popping the champagne here and your making excuses for it?

Rules should be in opening post if deviant and there is nothing there about this?

this is correct

Ok then - unvote not gonna vote for a townie when its not needed, even for a random vote

[Extreme Ways]

My time to host, after having subbed, specced, and subbed out!

Depending on the amount of signups, I will be running a 15p mountainous (12 Vanilla Town, 3 Mafia Goon) or a semi-open setup which fits the playercount. Most likely Mafia will have 24/7 access to chat. I'm going to host things slightly different, so pay attention! In addition to the basic rules below, If no majority is reached at the end of the day, the player with the most votes is lynched instead. In the case of ties, a random player between the tied players will be eliminated.

Rules:

Spoiler

1.The moderator is always right. Do not try and argue with them. However we are all human and we all make mistakes. The moderator will try and fix any mistake he or she may have made. 2. Do not edit/delete previous posts. Whatever you say goes into historical record. 3. Do not quote any PM's you receive from the moderator or another player. You may say your name, role, associated abilities. This is a serious offence and could earn you a mod-kill, and/or a blacklist from future games. 4. The game will not be discussed outside this thread, unless your role specifically says you can. 5. Lynch ‘votes’ and ‘unvotes’ must be in [b][color=#FF0000]BOLD RED[/color][/b], If they are not, they will not be tallied. 6. Lynching requires a majority of the total votes, once the majority has been reached any unvotes will not be counted. The majority is half the players alive +1. 7. You may vote ‘no lynch’ to end the day without a death. 8. Lengths of days depend on moderators. Usually they are indefinite until the game starts dragging and then the moderator enforces a deadline. (I will implement a deadline if there is a lack of direction/deadlock). 9. Lengths of nights depend on moderator. Try and send the actions earlier if possible, and save everyone time. It's a hassle for the moderator to pm everyone who hasn't sent in an action. (Nights will last for 48 hours, regardless if you sent a night action or not). 10. Once your death scene has been posted, it's over for you. You can no longer post anything related to the game. Whining is alright, **Voices from beyond the grave** are alright, as long as nothing of substance is revealed. This means you can post something like "Damn you mafia!" or "Oh well. Go town!" but you cannot post and add to the discussion. This is a serious offence. 11. Be attentive and active in the game. You will be replaced if you don't post. If something prevents you to participate for a long period of time, announce it here or via PM. Help everyone's enjoyment of the game by being active and sending your actions promptly. (Given the small player count and lack of reserves, I may just end up modkilling if there is a lack of posting). 12. You cannot talk at night. 13. If you have any questions or doubts, send a private message to the moderator and ask for help. It would be much worse to remain unsure about your role, mafia rules, whatever than to ask the moderator and then understand. 14. This is the basic list of rules. Moderators will have their own specific changes or additions to rules. Make sure to check them. 15. Have fun!

Game will start once previous one ends.

Signups:
1. Strike Wolf
2. Devante
3. pmchugh
4. Votanic
5. Swang918
6. Loose Cannon
7. DirtyDishSoap
8. Kingm
9. kongming3
10. *Pixar*
11. Maxleod
12. Ragian
13. Charle
14. fusibaseball
15. Trafalgarlaw01

Subs:
1. ghxstfolk
2. Son!c

It's only in the signup thread tbh, thats my bad

[SoN!c]

No its my bad. I joined the party late - np whatsoever, its just i've been watching this day like a new years eve ball drop thinking 6 votes were needed lmao

[SoN!c]

well since im here like its Times Square Ball (Times Square Ball Drop) id like to see the result on Max when that ball drops at midnight

[SoN!c]

And on another note i gave Max a gamechat today at "2024-07-07 17:10:32 - SoN!c: hey man, say your thoughts in the mafia game" but seems like he ran away from it.

[Maxleod]

And on another note i gave Max a gamechat today at "2024-07-07 17:10:32 - SoN!c: hey man, say your thoughts in the mafia game" but seems like he ran away from it.

No, I was busy... Anyway it's too late.

[SoN!c]

And on another note i gave Max a gamechat today at "2024-07-07 17:10:32 - SoN!c: hey man, say your thoughts in the mafia game" but seems like he ran away from it.

No, I was busy... Anyway it's too late.

Its never too late Max, dangnaggit say whatever you wanted to say!!

[SoN!c]

How to Start Over: Because It’s Never Too Late because TODAY IS THE OLDEST YOU'VE EVER BEEN, YET THE YOUNGEST YOU'LL EVER BE, SO ENJOY IT and just do it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w15oWDh ... KM&index=6

[Extreme Ways]

max died, he Vanilla Town.

I expect next day to start in ~48hours

[SoN!c]

max died, he Vanilla Town.

I expect next day to start in ~48hours

Thx EW - as expected

So guys - are we gonna go for PMC + Charle + ?

This is last chance in the last chance saloon - we need radical voting and no easy bets

There is no easy way out of this mess

https://youtu.be/TBDrI9h6Bqo?si=vcRZdOx-3tyAxITF

[SoN!c]

max died, he Vanilla Town.

I expect next day to start in ~48hours

Thx EW -

So guys - are we gonna go for PMC + Charle + ?

This is last chance in the last chance saloon - we need radical voting and no easy bets

https://youtu.be/TBDrI9h6Bqo?si=vcRZdOx-3tyAxITF[url][/url]

[SoN!c]

@Max, you can still say whatever it is you want to say

[Votanic]

@Max, you can still say whatever it is you want to say

Actually, according to the game rules, no, he can't.
...but if you mean he could just barge onto the tread and post anything, anytime, like an inconsiderate jerk, (AKA: Sonic-style), then yeah, I guess you're right.

[SoN!c]

Yes SoN!c style. What are they gonna do? Kill him?

Section 76 Serious Crime Act 2015 (SCA 2015) created the offence of controlling or coercive behaviour in an intimate or family relationship (CCB). It can be tried summarily or on indictment and has a maximum penalty of five years’ imprisonment but they never can proof anything on that law section when fuckers say f*ck that, im not playing along - or i just don't wanna provide proof myself..

For those who have missed it: This is last chance in the last chance saloon - we need radical voting and no easy bets. There are no safe bets whatsoever. We win or we lose. Sticking to a stupid law section wont save you either... It's that simple. No second place guys.

So place your bet and go all in - town thanks you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWijx_A ... oM&index=7

[SoN!c]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo2qQmj ... M&index=18
Knocking me out with those American thighs…

She was a fast machine, she kept her motor clean
She was the best damn woman that I ever seen
She had the sightless eyes, telling me no lies


She told me to come, but I was already there
'Cause the walls start shaking, the Earth was quaking
My mind was aching, and we were making it
Knocking me out with those American thighs…

That the walls were shaking, the Earth was quaking
Knocking me out with those American thighs…

[Extreme Ways]

In the night, they killed the only one who could protect you all.

pmchugh has died. He was Town Odd Night Doctor.

You are getting until https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/g ... nt=cursive to decide on a lynch, to hopefully speed the game up a bit..

Alive players:
Strike Wolf
Devante
Votanic
Kingm
kongming3
Son!c
Ragian
Charle
Fusibaseball