EW's Semi-Open Matrix Madness

[SoN!c]

Sonic, read my lips, it is Fusi, Kong and Devante.

If I am on your mind, get it over with and lynch me, believe me, I will flip town, but then tomorrow, just go back to this first line please!!

Let's agree there is a lot riding against you Charle and your defence attorney is Larry L. Archie:

[SoN!c]

In other news Votanic his last post on CC forums dates from Tue Jul 16, 2024 2:44 am.

That is concerning as Vot posts daily and its well over 24 hours (considering a 24 hour ban)

I think King likes to follow so we need to get organised to keep the engine steaming?

@Vot: post anything if able? Or mail me : brothersinblood.sonic@gmail.com (yes "BBSonic" the legendary Far Cry 1 assault multi online shooter gamer lol) if your unable to post and explain the fubar your in here?

@Rag: Fusi? Seems we and charle are the hard core remnant here

[Ragian]

Aye, right now it's the three of us

I think scum are Charle, Fusi, and Kong (but I've been back and forth). Let's do a hypothesis exercise. If Charle flips scum, we're defo going for Fusi. What if Charle flips town? Would we still go for Fusi? If so, doesn't it still make the most sense going for Fusi first?

I'm taking the wee one on a trip to his grandparents in the country. I will try to chime in daily, but I'll leave my Vote Fusi here just in case.

[Charle]

Thanks Ragian, there is a chance that we can win this if we stand together now. Please don't get a whim and vote me, another townie off.

If we team up, Sonic, Ragian and me with King and vote together each day, then we can do this. If Vot is forum killed, then there will not be a scum kill tonight, which will leave us with still same team to stand together.

If Vot is dead already, we have the following as it stands now:
Scum are between Fusi, Kong & Devante and Strike who I believe at the moment is town.

We have a 75% chance that Fusi will turn scum.
1. If Fusi turns scum, it will be the 4 of us, against Kong, Dev and Strike (but my gut feel say it will be 5 of us against Kong and Dev, we will quickly see who they vote for).
2. If Fusi turns town, it will be the 4 of us, against Kong, Dev and Strike tomorrow, we lynch one of those.
3. Next day it will be 3 of us against the 2 of them that is left, we lynch one of those, and
4. Last day 2 of us kill the last one, we win.

[Extreme Ways]

In other news Votanic his last post on CC forums dates from Tue Jul 16, 2024 2:44 am.

That is concerning as Vot posts daily and its well over 24 hours (considering a 24 hour ban)

I think King likes to follow so we need to get organised to keep the engine steaming?

@Vot: post anything if able? Or mail me : brothersinblood.sonic@gmail.com (yes "BBSonic" the legendary Far Cry 1 assault multi online shooter gamer lol) if your unable to post and explain the fubar your in here?

@Rag: Fusi? Seems we and charle are the hard core remnant here

Bit of bastard modding, but Vot can proxy-vote through your email if needed. Vote only counts when Sonic posts the vote by Vot (ideally with some form of proof but I trust your integrity) in thread, not when it's sent to Sonic.

[SoN!c]

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/g ... nt=cursive

4 days and 13 hours left on the clock, untill tuesday 23 july 23:59:59 Rotterdam time, with Chicago 7:00 hours behind.

votecount (most votes is lynched anyways):

Fusi: 2 - Charle, Ragian
Charle: 1 - Sonic

still to vote: king, strike, dev, fusi, kong

Im leaving Vot out because : If Vot got a ban larger then 24 hours it's 1 week minimum so he won't be here in time for deadline anyways (then followed by designated nightkill). Game over. And educated guess because he took his game turns even today "2024-07-19 06:19:47 - Votanic ended the turn and got spoils" but no post here and no mail either. By the way That was a known internet meme Vot but you didn't get the joke there (double meaning). Saying "and educated" is clearly uneducated and the whimsical, wacky, and wondrous character of Willy Wonka reminds me of you.

You should have an educated Eggdicator like he has to separate the nonsense from sense and a joke from a non-joke.

Wonka has a giant chocolate egg room, where a special geese lay gigantic chocolate eggs. However, not all these eggs are fit for sale, so Wonka uses the Eggdicator, a machine that discriminates between "bad eggs" and "good eggs".



Bit the same in here with eggs being lay all the time by scum. Fusi lay one on Swang. That is certain.

[Charle]

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20240723T235959&p0=338&font=cursive

4 days and 13 hours left on the clock, untill tuesday 23 july 23:59:59 Rotterdam time, with Chicago 7:00 hours behind.

votecount (most votes is lynched anyways):

Fusi: 2 - Charle, Ragian
Charle: 1 - Sonic

still to vote: king, strike, dev, fusi, kong

As it stands now, and even if King and Strike vote Fusi, then can Dev, Fusi and Kong hammer right before deadline and Mod will flip a coin to see who will be killed. If it is on me, another town dies and Scum are in pound seats. If King and Strike do not vote, then they will just hammer me.

[fusibaseball]

I can tell he's really wanted to the whole game and I'm proud he finally did it.

Vote Ragian

[SoN!c]

As it stands now, and even if King and Strike vote Fusi, then can Dev, Fusi and Kong hammer right before deadline and Mod will flip a coin to see who will be killed. If it is on me, another town dies and Scum are in pound seats. If King and Strike do not vote, then they will just hammer me.

A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men Charle! And this is good nonsense

The three scummies Dev, Fusi and Kong, all three hammering Charle right before deadline to save Fusi - i like to see that! Then we know it's them right. Makes no sense but it's a good fiddle-faddle flapdoodle fiddledeedee

[SoN!c]

unofficial votecount

Fusi: 2 - Charle, Ragian
Charle: 1 - Sonic
Ragian: 1 - Fusibaseball

[kongming3]

Still trying to figure out the last scum, and I'm not exactly sure what Charle is on about these days, but yes I think we just lock in [b][b][b]vote fusi[/b][/b][/b]. I will also note that there's a lot of rubbish going around these days, and that if fusi turns out to be town we can't afford any further mistakes. Vot will likely die either way, so we'll be left with kingm who needs to not be seduced by all the sirens going around and make independent decisions. If you are town, you can't vote anyone until we've decided together with kingm who to vote for, and everyone needs to vote for the same person with no ego trips. Otherwise, mafia can win right away by all jumping on a rogue vote.

[kongming3]

Unfortunately I haven't been getting the extra forum practice from scum chat that others here have been experiencing, so I apologize for the extra gunk...

[SoN!c]

Still trying to figure out the last scum, and I'm not exactly sure what Charle is on about these days, but yes I think we just lock in vote fusi. I will also note that there's a lot of rubbish going around these days, and that if fusi turns out to be town we can't afford any further mistakes. Vot will likely die either way, so we'll be left with kingm who needs to not be seduced by all the sirens going around and make independent decisions. If you are town, you can't vote anyone until we've decided together with kingm who to vote for, and everyone needs to vote for the same person with no ego trips. Otherwise, mafia can win right away by all jumping on a rogue vote.

good post - i like it

unofficial votecount

Fusi: 3 - Charle, Ragian, Kongming
Charle: 1 - Sonic
Ragian: 1 - Fusibaseball

waiting on Strike and Dev - walled them both

[Extreme Ways]

Still trying to figure out the last scum, and I'm not exactly sure what Charle is on about these days, but yes I think we just lock in vote fusi. I will also note that there's a lot of rubbish going around these days, and that if fusi turns out to be town we can't afford any further mistakes. Vot will likely die either way, so we'll be left with kingm who needs to not be seduced by all the sirens going around and make independent decisions. If you are town, you can't vote anyone until we've decided together with kingm who to vote for, and everyone needs to vote for the same person with no ego trips. Otherwise, mafia can win right away by all jumping on a rogue vote.

good post - i like it

unofficial votecount

Fusi: 3 - Charle, Ragian, Kongming
Charle: 1 - Sonic
Ragian: 1 - Fusibaseball

waiting on Strike and Dev - walled them both

official votecount
Fusi: 3 - Charle, Ragian, Kongming
Charle: 1 - Sonic
Ragian: 1 - Fusibaseball

Also like I said earlier Votanic will not be modkilled, and if for some reason he's forced out of the game scum will not get their nightkill.

[Devante]

Got the wall post. So are we voting for Fusi here then? I'll hold vote till I get a consensus here but seems that's the way we're going

[kongming3]

Any thoughts on anything you'd like to share? You effectively said and did nothing here and we have less than two days.

[strike wolf]

Also sorry. No excuses for absence. I've just been easily distracted lately and every time I've looked at the thread there's been 5+ more Son!c and Charle posts and I never seem to make it through a reply before my mind wanders or find something that doesn't seem to quite fit in my theory, get frustrated and walk away to clear my head. I also had some new doubts about the idea of Kong/Charle/Ragian being the scum trio when Charle voted Kong but he also shifted away from Kong rather abruptly. Charle today in general has been rather inconsistent.

All that said, I am wary of how the Fusi train has gained traction suddenly with Ragian and Kong's votes. For all Kong's talk about being cautious with votes (and yes, I know he was mostly talking about a potential lylo situation but it applies today to when we are close to lylo), him voting Fusi here to put him 2 votes ahead of both Ragian and Charle with a fairly inactive town in the mix and makes it difficult for us to redirect the lynch in any other direction. Charle and Ragian were the other two who seemed like potential lynch targets at this point. Normally, I wouldn't consider the idea that all three mafia would jump on the same wagon to push the lynch away from themselves but in a panic situation where Kong saw both of his scumbuddies as the potential lynch today and himself in a position to be of great influence on the lynch, I could see a spur of the moment reaction to go for it.

It also could work in the scenario where only one of Ragian and Charle are Kong's scum buddy. Kong could merely be seeking to protect Ragian or Charle and while he certainly could have voted the other to protect his actual scum buddy, Fusi being at two votes was the more logical target.

Vote Ragian.

Every way I see it, there pretty much has to be at least two scum between Ragian, Charle and Kong and while, I am maybe slightly more suspicious of Kong overall, he's not really a viable target and all the connections seem to point back at Ragian.

[SoN!c]

Any thoughts on anything you'd like to share? You effectively said and did nothing here and we have less than two days.

Another post i like i must say.


unofficial votecount:

Fusi: 3 - Charle, Ragian, Kongming
Ragian: 2 - Fusibaseball, Strike Wolf
Charle: 1 - Sonic

Seems we are headed into a Ragian / Fusi lynch. With 3 scummies knowing what town is thinking and counterplaying the game.

Since this is a decisive lynch i take my chances that most likely one is town and the other one is scum.. but staying on Charle for the moment.

I do have to say, the stage seems set for a last moment scum switch.

Corrected deadline is here https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/g ... nt=cursive (this sunday 17.00 chicago time)

[Devante]

Any thoughts on anything you'd like to share? You effectively said and did nothing here and we have less than two days.

lol I assume your talking to me and find this highly hypocritical since even though I've been fairly MIA at points due to RL I have far contributed more then you. You want to know what I think well here it goes. As it stands I think scum is between you Kong, Charle, and either Fusi or Ragian. Three of you are scum. If Strike or Sonic at this point turned out to be scum then well well played but as far as we go I don't see it. What I do find odd is that on votes currently Fusi sits with 3 - Charle, Ragian, Kongming. Now I find that really odd that 3 out of the 4 likely scum are all jumping on Fusi. If Fusi is scum then it could be an attempt to clear the other two but that is fairly bold play although possible. More likely is that with town numbers low, Vot possibly unable to put in a vote, scum brute force is being used to push a lynch. Then you have Fusi and Strike voting for Ragian, Sonic on Charle. 2 out of 3 I see as likely scum.

Sorry for long post but trying to jot down my thoughts. Right now I'm good with voting for either Ragian, Charle or Kong. I see the odds of hitting scum amongst those 3. I'll vote for Fusi or any others but it would only be followed by confirmed town which right now is Vot and King.

[fusibaseball]

Still trying to figure out the last scum, and I'm not exactly sure what Charle is on about these days, but yes I think we just lock in [b][b][b]vote fusi[/b][/b][/b]. I will also note that there's a lot of rubbish going around these days, and that if fusi turns out to be town we can't afford any further mistakes. Vot will likely die either way, so we'll be left with kingm who needs to not be seduced by all the sirens going around and make independent decisions. If you are town, you can't vote anyone until we've decided together with kingm who to vote for, and everyone needs to vote for the same person with no ego trips. Otherwise, mafia can win right away by all jumping on a rogue vote.

And the submariner magically swoops in less than 12 hours later after his Scum ringleader finally pulls the plug and votes me after losing his patience Gee I wonder who Scum is guys??

Can anyone say RAGIAN-KONG-CHARLE, RAGIAN-KONG-CHARLE. Cut the head off the snake and GO RAGIAN if you care about winning.

I will say I'm proud of Strike and Dev for thinking for themselves...not really surprised, as I see both as very capable players, just proud. Maybe my Town "teammates" will finally help me win a game of Mafia instead of just following the scapegoat in the thread.

Also, in the off chance I survive today, this game is progressing exactly as the last one did, where Scum is FORCED to keep me alive every night because the numbers will be so slim that I'm literally their only option to FOS every day in the thread. Charle, you old dog, doing me dirty twice in a row dragging me through this sh*t

[Ragian]

Pot. Kettle. Fusi. You only pop in when under pressure.

@Strike, for what it's worth, I think that Charle is scum with Fusi and Kong or perhaps Devante. I think they're selling a scummate for protection.

@Sonic, why are you staying on Charle? Do you not agree that Charle and Fusi are connected despite Charle throwing Fusi under the bus just now?

[kongming3]

Interesting how all three of you are coming in with coordinated posts within an hour of each other.

Dev, that was not an attack on your character but a reminder that the time to influence the vote for good or evil is quickly evaporating. Seeing what you have to say independently is helpful information for town regardless if you turn out to be town or mafia. I don't particularly like that you waited to give your "real" thoughts until after you, strike and fusi were all active. I also don't like the number of people you seemingly trust - as town right now, the only people we can truly trust are kingm and vot, and even if there is apparently a common consensus among everyone that sonic is likely town, I don't see why strike has gone from being the prime candidate at the start of the day (for better or for worse, doesn't mean he has to be scum) to being completely clear in your eyes. The same for fusi, you list him in the 4 you think are scum but then he doesn't actually make the list of people you'd actually vote for unless effectively forced to by our fearless towny leaders. I'd hope the fact you're willingly forming a group with fusi and strike is evidence you're scum, but if you are town please realize how that looks or share the conclusive evidence for why you believe they have to be the pristine townies and therefore everyone remaining is evil.

Strike, I don't really like how you said it "makes it difficult for us to redirect the lynch." Who is us (assuming it's not the three of you who, again, posted within an hour from limited activity recently all with a coordinated viewpoint which I really don't think should be happening at this point in the game as a towny), and why are you hoping to redirect the lynch? We're at a point in the day where a lot of lynches have been tested, there is very limited time remaining, and fusi was seeming like a reasonable lynch. Do I think it's possible there are at least some scum mixed in the process? Yes of course, but claiming the fact that there's been any lynch progress at all with only two days left as suspicious comes across as being in bad faith. I will also note that I was firmly pushing for a ragian lynch earlier on, and only backed off because the one person I have absolute trust in (vot) ended up not wanting to go for it.

Fusi, if you are town and not just scum pretending to have your feelings hurt because a lynch eventually ended up pointed your way in an end-game where town needs to be suspicious of everyone remaining, please try not to blindly trust the first people who swoop in to save you.

Anyway, for all that it's worth I can unvote for now and hopefully we get king and vot back again before the day closes, but please note to any prospective scum that I will be sure to cast a vote before official end of day.

[kongming3]

FPed by Ragian. I will also say very clearly I don't think it has to be or is all three of the above. I just hope that no townies fall into a scum-manipulated form of tribalism, when we will need every remaining townsfolk to be thinking clearly.

[fusibaseball]

Interesting how all three of you are coming in with coordinated posts within an hour of each other.

Dev, that was not an attack on your character but a reminder that the time to influence the vote for good or evil is quickly evaporating. Seeing what you have to say independently is helpful information for town regardless if you turn out to be town or mafia. I don't particularly like that you waited to give your "real" thoughts until after you, strike and fusi were all active. I also don't like the number of people you seemingly trust - as town right now, the only people we can truly trust are kingm and vot, and even if there is apparently a common consensus among everyone that sonic is likely town, I don't see why strike has gone from being the prime candidate at the start of the day (for better or for worse, doesn't mean he has to be scum) to being completely clear in your eyes. The same for fusi, you list him in the 4 you think are scum but then he doesn't actually make the list of people you'd actually vote for unless effectively forced to by our fearless towny leaders. I'd hope the fact you're willingly forming a group with fusi and strike is evidence you're scum, but if you are town please realize how that looks or share the conclusive evidence for why you believe they have to be the pristine townies and therefore everyone remaining is evil.

Strike, I don't really like how you said it "makes it difficult for us to redirect the lynch." Who is us (assuming it's not the three of you who, again, posted within an hour from limited activity recently all with a coordinated viewpoint which I really don't think should be happening at this point in the game as a towny), and why are you hoping to redirect the lynch? We're at a point in the day where a lot of lynches have been tested, there is very limited time remaining, and fusi was seeming like a reasonable lynch. Do I think it's possible there are at least some scum mixed in the process? Yes of course, but claiming the fact that there's been any lynch progress at all with only two days left as suspicious comes across as being in bad faith. I will also note that I was firmly pushing for a ragian lynch earlier on, and only backed off because the one person I have absolute trust in (vot) ended up not wanting to go for it.

Fusi, if you are town and not just scum pretending to have your feelings hurt because a lynch eventually ended up pointed your way in an end-game where town needs to be suspicious of everyone remaining, please try not to blindly trust the first people who swoop in to save you.

Anyway, for all that it's worth I can unvote for now and hopefully we get king and vot back again before the day closes, but please note to any prospective scum that I will be sure to cast a vote before official end of day.

Panic unvoting. That's all I see. The rest is noise.

Just vote me - you know that's what you'll end up doing when the day's done. Your hand is played.

You really think if the 3 of us were a Scum team we would all post within an hour of each other to protect me

They declared themselves. WRAP IT UP. RAGIAN-KONG-CHARLE, RAGIAN-KONG-CHARLE!!

[b]Vote Ragian

Vote Ragian

Vote Ragian

Vote Ragian[/b]

[SoN!c]

@Sonic, why are you staying on Charle? Do you not agree that Charle and Fusi are connected despite Charle throwing Fusi under the bus just now?

Funny how everybody agrees it's Charle but nobody wants to vote him

Strike says RAGIAN-CHARLE-KONG
Fusi says RAGIAN-CHARLE-KONG
Ragian says FUSI-CHARLE-KONG
Dev says RAGIAN-CHARLE-KONG
Kong says FUSI-CHARLE while "trying figuring out the last scum" (he can't say Kong too now can he?)