Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy - Wolves Won

[SoN!c]

Best testament to my (or your) game would be if both scum factions targeted me (or you) tonight, wouldn't it?

Scum wants to hit scum 1000% sure - like EW said at the beginning.. Even Masons are 100% safe until 1 scum team is killed..

100% sure so i dont get some stuff. Town is 100% safe so i don't get why some are playing so scummy?

[Loose Canon]

I'm only 70% sure scum will want to hit scum tonight.
And I think that% increases if we mislynch and decreases if we correctly lynch.
Where I totally agree is that townies should be really vocal.

[SoN!c]

Here is the actual real list as it stands now (not sure and needs some extra searching but base should be base):

MASONS: one of the masons is LC, EW, Kong or Rag + unknown partner. 99% sure

WOLVES: either a duo that thinks Rag is the best scum hunter (like FE Max/Kong) or Rag himself + unknown partner. Near 90% sure

MAFIA: a duo made of EW, Kong, Rag or Traf. With unknown partner that could be Max. Max 85% sure

ORDINARY TOWN: Pepe, DDS. placing a 70% + bet here on DDS and + 60 on Pepe

[Maxleod]

Best testament to my (or your) game would be if both scum factions targeted me (or you) tonight, wouldn't it?

Scum wants to hit scum 1000% sure - like EW said at the beginning.. Even Masons are 100% safe until 1 scum team is killed..

100% sure so i dont get some stuff. Town is 100% safe so i don't get why some are playing so scummy?

No. Unless I missed something, scum teams don't know who the other scum are.

[SoN!c]

Ps max 85 % sure means maximum 85 - not max (as the name) lol.

[SoN!c]

Best testament to my (or your) game would be if both scum factions targeted me (or you) tonight, wouldn't it?

Scum wants to hit scum 1000% sure - like EW said at the beginning.. Even Masons are 100% safe until 1 scum team is killed..

100% sure so i dont get some stuff. Town is 100% safe so i don't get why some are playing so scummy?

No. Unless I missed something, scum teams don't know who the other scum are.

Yes ofcourse they dont know Max - lmao..

But they will wanna vote who they think is the other scum team

[SoN!c]

No. Unless I missed something, scum teams don't know who the other scum are.

This reasoning is exactly why i think Rag (or perhaps even DDS) is making you say this on daychat. They are laughing so hard - somebody must be im sure

[Extreme Ways]

I'm ruling Traf out as masons because I think masons would try to openly solve in PMs as well.

[SoN!c]

I'm ruling Traf out as masons because I think masons would try to openly solve in PMs as well.

MASONS: one of the masons is LC, EW, Kong or Rag + unknown partner. 99% sure

[Loose Canon]

For me a 4 4 split of players I'm willing and not willing to vote for today splits nicely because that's the way it splits.
Other players may have a 3 5 split either way or maybe just 2 3 or suchlike at the moment.
Whichever way it falls short of a 4 4 split don't try to force it.
But I think it would help if players try to develop and publicise their thoughts on who they are and are not prepared to vote for today.

Sonic I think you are still fixating too much on making pairings at the moment but that's just a small thing.

[SoN!c]

For me a 4 4 split of players I'm willing and not willing to vote for today splits nicely because that's the way it splits.
Other players may have a 3 5 split either way or maybe just 2 3 or suchlike at the moment.
Whichever way it falls short of a 4 4 split don't try to force it.
But I think it would help if players try to develop and publicise their thoughts on who they are and are not prepared to vote for today.

Sonic I think you are still fixating too much on making pairings at the moment but that's just a small thing.

Rag will say im flooding the forum again but why do we like to play these games? Because it's way better then any online chess or a online stupid sea ​​battle game where you can consult online data on what move is best to play next... This however is hard.. . And not much dice luck involved.. Like last mafia game - finding 3 scum between 4 town (7 total) with no room for error. My kind of mind game. Finding scum against all odds.

Look i know my first game was stupid play. But im getting way better, this is game n°6 or n°5? And if somebody is giving me good free advice im old enough to know i need to listen. And that is what i get in here all the time: free good advice and good propper english learning on words i never heared before

So yes im looking / provoking pairs because there are 3 pairs to find in here on a total of just 9 players.. but if the advice is im fixating too much on making pairings at the moment i will do something with it.

And also very happy with game activity thusfar.

[Ragian]

Yes, we have too many. I should've never gotten educated and a job allowing me to go to all these festivals. Stupid money.

@DDS, do you think I'm scum (in the game)?

[Loose Canon]

Yes, we have too many. I should've never gotten educated and a job allowing me to go to all these festivals. Stupid money.

@DDS, do you think I'm scum (in the game)?

INTRIGUING - both for what the answer will be, and why the question....

[pmchugh]

Wait, so there are 3 Factions, right? Masons the good townies, Werewolfs and Mafia. Werewolfs and Mafia don't know the other faction members right?
It can be 2 guaranteed kills on the night. but might not be a townie as factions cand hit each other I guess.

OK I am two posts in amd TLaw is guaranteed scum. What is this post? Restating the rules as filler?

[pmchugh]

Wait, so there are 3 Factions, right? Masons the good townies, Werewolfs and Mafia. Werewolfs and Mafia don't know the other faction members right?
It can be 2 guaranteed kills on the night. but might not be a townie as factions cand hit each other I guess.

Yeah but just in case people misread you: town is a faction, mason is a neighbourhood within town.

The two evil factions need to eliminate the other faction too, this game can technically end in a draw for all 3 factions.

Helpful EW = scum EW. This game is easy. Three posts two scum (not aligned with each other).

[pmchugh]

On page 5 and Rag seems like he is in boring, I am scum, nobody notice me mode.

[pmchugh]

Only thing I'm seeing is a short and dismissive pattern to Rags posts - and I'm wondering if there is something that might be scummy there?

Hivemind. Of course, spotting scum is something real scum can do in this game too.

[pmchugh]

I stand by max has to be lynched D1 unless there is a very strong reason to lynch anyone else.

We need a very long D1 because the D1 information will help us later. That means putting votes on other people too and see how they react. Just staying on Max the entire D1 without exploring anything else is not the way how we should play this. We can always go back to Max in the end of D1, you made your point very well. And I'll (follow unless Max gets in here everyday and contributes like you asked him to do - 0% chance i reckon).

"Max is as likely to be scum as anyone else."

Yes 36.36% chance he is. But wasting D1 just to get rid of Max fast and hope on the random 36.36% odds is not a game. Be patient. Look around first, come back to Max later. Strike just said he will unvote DDS when it goes L-2. Well that is how i understood his last message. And that was what Pepe predicted.. What is so special about L-2 in a powerless game anyways i wonder? Afraid two scummies are gonna fast-hammer and expose themself? Don't think so. Or are they pretending to be the Masons by doing so?

"What is max going to contribute to town D2 onwards? Or to the game in general?"

Same thing as always. At some point he wil get to L-2 and say his legendary quote "I have a few things to say" (but then say nothing).

"Does anyone seriously think any scum faction will night kill max n1 or ever when every other player is more of a threat to them going forwards?"

No i do not. But perhaps he stays quiet and gets replaced by PMC - now that would be one hell of a sub!

Actually good posts from sonic, soft defending a low hanging fruit with little to no upside for him. Unless they are a scum pair.

I still dont like the push on DDS/Strike though I cant say both have given me much. My strongest feel atm is that Loose is town, the amount of tinfoil and math he puts in - while I have never seen him as scum - is not something I expect him to do as mafia.

I agree with all this but EW is still scum.

I probably should wait to organise more mu posts and this sint helpful for you guys, but it's the easiest way for me to catch up and stay sane.

[pmchugh]

Still doesn't get you out of skimming, which you, perhaps conveniently, left out. I don't have much to go on. Neither has anyone, but people's reaction to "cases" are often of more importance than the case itself. Your reaction is one of OMGUS without the vote. Interesting.

Interesting how Son!c dismissed my vote but finds Kong's very intriguing. It's noted in my who-seems-linked-and-who-is-trying-to-not-appear-linked spreadsheet forged in utter paranoia.

Ragian, what are you doing? You sound exactly like Dev discribes you.. and tbh i read Dev as town atm. Yes he is probably skimming and yes he fast voted Strike to lynch for real. But that is exactly in line with what i can imagine a town Dev to do mid summer. Getting no scum vibes whatsoever on him.

Sonic is lock town. Hope he isn't dead.

[pmchugh]

Werewolf...Strike Wolf...? Werewolf...Strike Wolf...?? Werewolf...Strike Wolf.. Dang, That sounds waaay too loony tuned to make that stuff up! That's gotta be it!!

unvote

Vote Strike

PS: Strike, if you are not a wolf but the spare Mason, just reveal yourself as spare Mason when you are in danger of being lynched. Nothing to worry then

Son!c votes me...

I will wait a little because I have no idea what is the best thing to do, but if most people think we should vote lynch I will do it.

Come on Pepe put forward an argument with reasoning - any argument.

Perhaps you are asking too much... 'an argument with reasoning'' ?
sorry it is the charles bad joke effect...

Serious now: I have no clue, but looking for a reason it can be a good option put some fear on strike because of his name and try to get some information from him (L-2) vote Strike

Pepe follows.

OMG wolf pair DDS-Strike admitted it in a way but you didn't see that? sO did DDS in a way And because of that you think im a scum pair with Max??

Okay loose membrain, i'll vote with ya

uNVOTE

VOTE MAX

SHEESH!!

Son!c votes Max...

Spoiler

[quote="PepeAtila"][quote="Loose Canon"][quote="PepeAtila"]I will wait a little because I have no idea what is the best thing to do, but if most people think we should vote lynch I will do it.

Come on Pepe put forward an argument with reasoning - any argument.

Perhaps you are asking too much... 'an argument with reasoning'' ?
sorry it is the charles bad joke effect...

Serious now: I have no clue, but looking for a reason it can be a good option put some fear on strike because of his name and try to get some information from him (L-2) vote Strike

It's a joke wagon, Pepe. I mean I could change my name but then who would I be? Inigo Montoya? People would be expecting me to seek revenge on the man who murdered my father and quoting Mandy Patinkin from the movie. My father isn't even dead! Robin Hood? Stealing from the rich is a lot of pressure and I'd already be under too much pressure wearing those damn tights! Which by the way, is also why I wouldn't be Deadpool...well that and I don't want my body to be comprised of 200% cancer cells. I guess I could be Iron Man but all those suits smell like RDJ's piss.[/spoiler]
Roses are red. Violets are blue. Son!cs theories are crazy but we're all crazy too.[/quote]

I'm not telling that you should change your name, but I guess you and DDS can be a pair (in this game) ... I am not telling who is the wolf and who is "little red riding hood" ...
However since I don't see it clear and people are changing ... unvote vote Max [/quote]

Pepe follows.

At least you guys could have waited a bit on Strike to hear him say he is the spare mason before unvoting

Son!c criticizes people for unvoting me...

Unvote

Its a joke wagon, come on!

I know it was a joke wagon, but why to unvote so fast?

Pepe criticizes DDS for unvoting me.

well I will see what strike wolf will do ... I guess he is going to unvote, vote DDS

Pepe posts something related to predicting/wifoming my actions...

With you aboard we now have 3 votes for pushing the deadline, Charle said that it would need a majority so that's 6.. And it's already friday, weekend coming up..

What is your case on Devante exactly? You seem pretty sure about it.

I'm not sure. It's D1. In a nutshell, if you can't be arsed to reread my posts, it's his third vote that was supposed to come off as a joke vote, but the timing was weird and it didn't feel jokey to me + his skimming + his absence apart from telling you about the rules.

Yes i got all of that. Was just wondering if i missed something.. Tell me: if this was an actual case on Strike (for exactly same reasons) don't you think Strike would call this "going down the rabbit hole"? But tempted to follow i'll give you that - the vote on Max is sitting idle anyways and deadline got extended.. I think DDS will hop onboard the Dev train too. He has Dev in his scummy list. That would make it 3 votes fast. And then Strike must follow ofcourse. Not following would read as "look, im no Wuff Wuff pair - im not following DDS!! Everybody sees that? im not following DDS!!" getting Dev on L-2.


English lesson for Pepe: "a rabbit hole" is a metaphor for entering into a situation that is particularly strange and transports the entrant into a wonderfully surreal and fanatical state of mind.

Son!c later posts something trying to predict/wifom my actions. Honestly, I can't say it's not a Pepe thing since I haven't played that much with Pepe and it's been at least a few months but the whole "I predict x will do this" is a Son!c move and he's made similar posts through the game.

Then there's Pepe's list of DDS, me and Max as the three he's most suspicious of which matches Son!c's main three that he'd been pointing to at the time.

So I believe Son!c and Pepe are aligned and know it. So 33.3% Masons +whatever chance you'd give that this is just coincidence vs. 66.7% anti-town-whatever chance you'd give that this is just coincidence.

Vote Son!c[/quote]

This seems dumb to me, if they are aligned and this openly copying each other Masons is much more likely than scum. Worth noting in general that lynches aren't known percentages for hitting mafia, because they aren't randomly done.

Pepe seems like a newbie and they can be easily be labelled as scummy because they go off script.

Rag saying he needed to reread to make a list and then not doing so is scummy, as is strike not making a list after the prompt to do so and being highly active and posting about a lot of people.

[pmchugh]

So your saying im tunneling again? Look, my idea is if Strike is scum, like i suspect he is, his scumparter will stay silent on the matter. A scum Strike in particular doesn't like to have any connections. Ofcourse everytime i said something about Strike and left him 2 choices he chose a third option.. So even if his scumpartner doesn't stay silent for that reaon im pretty sure the other scumteam won't comment on the matter when feeling the spat, blending in with the silent townies.

Enjoy your grandchild's birthday Rag. He will have a blast on that funfair im sure.

First and foremost...cheeky bastard

I don't know if it was addressed at me, but it came directly after my post. I think you have settled on something, and now you can make everything prove what you have decided. But hey, it's D1. However, I don't like it that you keep saying that his vote came deep into D1 as if the deadline was imminent. Even now, it's 48 hours away.

Huh, seems Loose has FOS'ed me at some point. I never noticed. Have I been bad?

Instinct list would be:
1. DDS - neutral vibe (Has provided a list of his own, but has more or less stayed out of the fray)
2. Sonic - neutral vibe (Is the fray and very active, but pushes some arguments beyond validity)
3. Kong - slightly scummy vibe (Hasn't said too much, but I guess that was also the case last game)
4. EW - townish vibe (Has been reasonable throughout)
5. Devante - scummy vibe (See former posts - Devante has reacted with OMGUS)
6. Loose - townish vibe (seems to be playing differently than I remember, but more to my liking)
7. Strike - neutral vibe (Seems genuinely annoyed by Son!c's continuous accusations)
8. Ragian - not just the best townie in the game, but also the prettiest
9. Max - neutral vibe (Has said slightly more than I'm used to and in the vein that I'm used to. Could be either or)
10. Traf - neutral vibe (Hasn't said too much, but seems reflective in his posts)
11. PepeAtila - slightly scummy vibe (Throws votes around with little to no explanation, but I might be too thick to understand the explanations)

My vote stays on Devante. I do not feel compelled in any other direction right now.

Apologies I was impatient, Rag did post a list. Based on nothing but this post, most likely scum partner would be strike. Burried the name in the middle, and just the wording.

[pmchugh]

What a night!

The town woke up with two bodies lying in the streets

Spoiler

Wolves killed [color=#008000][b]Devante, who was Vanilla Town[/b][/color] The Mafia decided that they had to kill [b][color=#008000]Strike Wolf, who was Vanilla Town[/color][/b]

It is now Day 2.

With 9 alive, 5 needed for a lynch

Rip Strike, I can never read you. Mafia were trying to hit wolves IMO. Dev is an odd kill choice, seemed towny and not scary to me. Maybe an attempt to hit mafia as well. These kills make me more sus of sonic. He should have died IMO.

[pmchugh]

OK I got to the end.

LC, are you actually sus of kong/me? Literally all kong did wrong was low post imo, although I guess I have insider info so easy to read as town when you know they are.

I think I like rag best as scum voting option, I think that there has to be a high poster scum and he seems most likely.

Max is either responding to the criticism or is in a pair, because he is actually posting for once.

Pepe is just doing his own thing, I don't like that lymch option.

TLaw I liked for scum but somehow his forgetting about the game seems towny, as you are more likely to forget than be bored and it's an unnecessary lie as town.

EW is probably scum, but pointless to try lynch him. If you are in either evil faction just shoot him. Cause if he is town he can catch you when he pays attention and if he is in the other faction he has high chances of guiding his team to success.

DDS seems towny to me. LC I agree with too much. Sonic seems towny.

So vote rag

[Loose Canon]

PMC I was suss of you D1 initially.
I was also suss of you beginning of D2 when DDS voted you and Pepe and. Sonic. I'm not going to go back and reconsider whether my suspicions were good or not right now.
What you have posted tonight reads too good and genuine on first read.
I want you around in D3 right now.
I also want to reread your posts quite a few times and carefully consider what you say post by post and point by point.

Thank you for your posts.

[DirtyDishSoap]

FOS to the lot of you openly speculating on our Masons. Let's try to keep them alive, PLEASE?!

Yes, we have too many. I should've never gotten educated and a job allowing me to go to all these festivals. Stupid money.

@DDS, do you think I'm scum (in the game)?

I have no idea why you keep referring to me when I have almost nothing to do with this other than a neutral list I made.

Vote Rag

I'm comfortable with this.