Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy - Wolves Won

[pmchugh]

I think Max fits much better with traf.

[Maxleod]

Spare mason could be dead already couldn't he?
Didn't think Charle would declare if a dead town was spare mason??

Maybe, or maybe not. Just to have you all on ease, the dead ones know who the spare one was/is, to ensure the original role that was decided by a dice is in play and I do not change it afterwards to my liking.

OK. But are the dead scum still allowed in scum chat? If so they could share there their knowledge with remaining scum.

[pmchugh]

Spare mason could be dead already couldn't he?
Didn't think Charle would declare if a dead town was spare mason??

Maybe, or maybe not. Just to have you all on ease, the dead ones know who the spare one was/is, to ensure the original role that was decided by a dice is in play and I do not change it afterwards to my liking.

OK. But are the dead scum still allowed in scum chat? If so they could share there their knowledge with remaining scum.

Max wants to know if he can talk to EW still

Who do you think could be EWs partner Max?

[pmchugh]

*traf

[Maxleod]

Spare mason could be dead already couldn't he?
Didn't think Charle would declare if a dead town was spare mason??

Maybe, or maybe not. Just to have you all on ease, the dead ones know who the spare one was/is, to ensure the original role that was decided by a dice is in play and I do not change it afterwards to my liking.

OK. But are the dead scum still allowed in scum chat? If so they could share there their knowledge with remaining scum.

Max wants to know if he can talk to EW still

Who do you think could be EWs partner Max?

You maybe?

[SoN!c]

I am not buying EW + Max. EW would have to be fully committed to throwing his one partner under the bus since day 1.

No. Take some distance and think about it. Imagine you are EW and the game is about to start... Then imagine your best play as soon you hear your scumpartner is..Max. Sigh. Max always being Max. What to do?


Its brilliant EW play.

Unless EW killed Dev just for the random fun ofcourse. Im pretty sure EW likes random odds like lottery and one armed bandit + lunapark slot machines where he sits all day dropping random coins. And he hates chess and Peppe is my spanish scumpartner. Hellooo???

What would be the best play making sure Max would last long? Exactly the play we saw. And he did not bus Max. He only voted Max when no lynch was already 90% sure.. - then he turned into a silent submarine.

And who cares if you Think Traf + Max or EW + Max? Its the same Max in the end no?

[SoN!c]

Spare mason could be dead already couldn't he?
Didn't think Charle would declare if a dead town was spare mason??

Maybe, or maybe not. Just to have you all on ease, the dead ones know who the spare one was/is, to ensure the original role that was decided by a dice is in play and I do not change it afterwards to my liking.

OK. But are the dead scum still allowed in scum chat? If so they could share there their knowledge with remaining scum.

Max wants to know if he can talk to EW still

Who do you think could be EWs partner Max?

Besides your subconscious mind thinks EW here too.. Just saying

[pmchugh]

I am not buying EW + Max. EW would have to be fully committed to throwing his one partner under the bus since day 1.

No. Take some distance and think about it. Imagine you are EW and the game is about to start... Then imagine your best play as soon you hear your scumpartner is..Max. Sigh. Max always being Max. What to do?


Its brilliant EW play.

Unless EW killed Dev just for the random fun ofcourse. Im pretty sure EW likes random odds like lottery and one armed bandit + lunapark slot machines where he sits all day dropping random coins. And he hates chess and Peppe is my spanish scumpartner. Hellooo???

What would be the best play making sure Max would last long? Exactly the play we saw. And he did not bus Max. He only voted Max when no lynch was already 90% sure.. - then he turned into a silent submarine.

And who cares if you Think Traf + Max or EW + Max? Its the same Max in the end no?

It's a terrible play IMO, would be fine in single mafia faction game with multiple team mates, but in this setup it doesn't make sense.

[Loose Canon]

IF a town is lynched and 2 more town are killed N3 we are left with 3 players all rival factions D4.
What would happen in that scenario - did someone say it would be a draw or am I imagining that?
If it would be a draw would that be because the remaining town would vote no lynch?

[Loose Canon]

Just got up and seen it was EW who posted game could technically end a draw for all 3. Not sure I trust that.

Charle?

[SoN!c]

EW said it would be a draw in that case and Charle confirmed it.

[SoN!c]

A few posts after EW's is the confirmation. But i do not know why and anyways the chance that happening is close to zero.

But lets play those scenario's just for fun:

"Scenario last 3 (1-1-1 each) going into the night (after lynch)"
So i dont know why its a draw at 1-1-1 each because if scum 1 killed scum 2 and scum 2 kills town 1 then scum 1 wins as last man standing (and vice versa) that night and if both scum kill each other then town wins.

"Scenario last 3 (1-1-1 each) surviving the night:"
A) It goes into a no lynch and then previous scenario applies.

B) it goes into a lynch:
If the last townie is lynched its a draw between scum factions. If a scum is lynched the other scum wins. So the last townie surviving shouldnt vote in any case. No lynch (not voting) is the only chance left to win.

We would have a Mexican stand off galore. And a scum could vote "no lynch" just to make the other scum believe he is town. It would be fun i imagine being last townie and winning because both scums kill each other at crazy odds. But we also would have a lot of voting and unvoting , the stuff what EW mentioned in his last game, dragged out till deadline and even then no lynch in the end. And thats probably the reason?

You could add rules to bypass i suppose: like per rule last day is only 48 hours and first vote sticks. Including no lynch vote.

But we are 4-2.

[Charle]

Ok, this is what will happen then, let's look at the "Win Conditions" as per the setup link on the first page:

Scum Win Condition: You win when the other scumteam is eliminated and you control 50% of the town or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Town Win Condition: You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

1. So if you end up with 3 players end of night (town cannot win anymore), those 3 players decide who to lynch, if they lynch town, then a draw between scum, if they lynch scum, then the other scum wins. If there is a no lynch (no majority vote), then a draw between scum. (so scum better make friends with town )

2. If you end up with 3 players end of day, if both scum kill town then it is a draw between scum, if they kill each other then town wins, obviously if they kill town and scum then the other scum wins.

[Loose Canon]

So in scenario 1 remaining townie should stubbonly vote NO LYNCH otherwise loses, and at least try to force it into a night session?

Charle didn't say it is an automatic 3 way draw.

Charle?

[Loose Canon]

And Charle if we do get down to a 3 player scenario will you be able to count the votes correctly?

[pmchugh]

OK so

Scenario 1: if we lynch scum, then we have 4 left tomorrow with one scum, normal ish game, mylo with potential for masons.

Scenario 2: If we lynch town, and they both kill unique townies, we enter the above state where town almost certainly lose.

Scenario 3: If we lynch town, they kill the same town, we have 4 players left, even if we lynch mafia we lose so we have to no lynch and hope they kill each other.

Scenario 4: If we lynch town, one townie is killed and one scum killed, then its lylo with 2 town 1 scum.

Scenario 5: We lynch town, they kill each other, lol, we win without lynching any mafia

Scenario 6: No Lynch, they kill each other then same as Scenario 5

Scenario 7: No Lynch, town unique townies killed, same as scenario 3

Scenarion 8: No Lynch, they kill same town, we have 5 left with both mafia factions alive. We have to lynch mafia, if we do lylo with 3 players

Scenario 9: No Lynch, one town, one scum die, same as Scenario 1.

[Charle]

So in scenario 1 remaining townie should stubbonly vote NO LYNCH otherwise loses, and at least try to force it into a night session?

Charle didn't say it is an automatic 3 way draw.

Charle?

I must say, I do not see a 3 way draw, if there is a NO LYNCH in scenario 1, it will go into night and then the night actions will kill something

[Charle]

OK so

Scenario 1: if we lynch scum, then we have 4 left tomorrow with one scum, normal ish game, mylo with potential for masons.

Scenario 2: If we lynch town, and they both kill unique townies, we enter the above state where town almost certainly lose.

Scenario 3: If we lynch town, they kill the same town, we have 4 players left, even if we lynch mafia we lose so we have to no lynch and hope they kill each other.

Scenario 4: If we lynch town, one townie is killed and one scum killed, then its lylo with 2 town 1 scum.

Scenario 5: We lynch town, they kill each other, lol, we win without lynching any mafia

Scenario 6: No Lynch, they kill each other then same as Scenario 5

Scenario 7: No Lynch, town unique townies killed, same as scenario 3

Scenarion 8: No Lynch, they kill same town, we have 5 left with both mafia factions alive. We have to lynch mafia, if we do lylo with 3 players

Scenario 9: No Lynch, one town, one scum die, same as Scenario 1.

I think this sums it up nicely, thanks pmc!

[Loose Canon]

There are 2 votes on Pepe (- me and Sonic) , I actually don't want more votes on Pepe till we have assessed the situation as to who the current lynch candidates are.

I would like everyone to think IF there was no further information who they would and would not be prepared to lynch D3, currently.


And as I've suggested it I'll kick it off with mine;

DDS - NO
Sonic - YES - he may be scum if so more likely with EW
PMC - NO
Max - NO (definitely not he can't be with EW)
Pepe - YES - he may be scum if so more likely with Traf

[pmchugh]

Why can't Max be with traf?

[PepeAtila]

Why can't Max be with traf?

perhaps because LC is with Traf and surely the subconscious played him

[Loose Canon]

Why can't Max be with traf?

Max could be with Traf, anybody could, but max is unlikely to be with EW and that makes Max a bad lynch target.
Pepe is most likely of anyone to be with Traf based on evidence I'm seeing but it's not certain by any means

[Loose Canon]

If you're in the mood PMC, throw me some balls.

If they are in the right general area, I fancy I'd smash em all out of the ground, I feel that kinda confidence and energy.

[SoN!c]

Keep throwing E M lightning balls smashing your own Cyber truck bullitproof windows

[SoN!c]

I''ve been rereading Traf and EW now i know they were scum. Came across a chubby to scummy list made by a sonic dude D1. And what do you know? I have the same list on my mind now. And Nobody, i mean nobody came that close D1, even has town Dev, town Rag and scumsters Traf + EW right. Looking back i think i believed EW too much who said Loose is 99% town.


Only PMC proofed himself townish sofar. And i did too with that D1 list that came tru like nobody else. Where is your D1 list? Accurate like mine?