The unholy story of Count Giure "Grando" Stregone TOWN WINS!

[Loose Canon]

I'm also uncertain what if anything Charle said was true and what was false.

Starting with was he the strigas servant by night and an archeologist by day?
I've got it in my mind that the archeologist was a claim provided that was also true.
After the claim itself I've got it in my mind that he was provided with answers but then maybe twisted the answers when telling us what they were.
Same applies to what he said was the note he received saying not to trust the D1 note etc.

My guess is there was truth in the most part but with some editing/lies weaved in among the truths - and I for one won't be able to definitively work out what is what re what Charle posted.

[Loose Canon]

2 things are unsettling me;

1 There's not much posting here following last night - (silence in posting is also unfortunately mod encouraged by the mexican standoff post by Ewe)

2. Have there been conversions in the game?
Did we really start with 2 of each scum faction in which case conversions of more into scum would make this really difficult for town - but maybe if we started with
just 1 of each, with 1 conversion allowed by each scum faction that wouldn't be so so difficult for town.
Also would scum on scum conversions be a possibility, and what would be outcome of that - failure, scum teams merging, a third or even possibly fourth scum faction -
the night 1 creature on creature fight in the story is making me think there might have been an attempted conversion (scum on scum) but I can't work out what might
have been the outcome of any such attempt.
Or maybe the whole conversions thing is a red herring.

I think I have to just accept the unsettled and uncertain feelings I have re conversions unless someone can guide me to clarity - but the relative lack of postings D4 from everyone except me and vot is something I just don't get.

[Extreme Ways]

Ok, open cards.

I am alive and I will be tinfoiled. Strike was vanillaised, strike was my mason buddy. This was why I was confused about receiving the masonic sword, because imo Strike could have still used it and he tried giving it to Ragian but was roleblocked.

[Extreme Ways]

I was able to hand off the masonic sword - it can only be held by town. They can claim it whenever they want to, I feel like it's not on me to reveal who is town.

Vanillaised does NOT mean Vanilla in this game. Strike received new abilities, but I cant look up what they were again because chat room only goes so far up.

Dev is now new mason buddy, welcome Dev.

If flavour is to be believed, jfm was converted by vampires but killed by wolves?

[Extreme Ways]

I'm also uncertain what if anything Charle said was true and what was false.

Starting with was he the strigas servant by night and an archeologist by day?
I've got it in my mind that the archeologist was a claim provided that was also true.
After the claim itself I've got it in my mind that he was provided with answers but then maybe twisted the answers when telling us what they were.
Same applies to what he said was the note he received saying not to trust the D1 note etc.

My guess is there was truth in the most part but with some editing/lies weaved in among the truths - and I for one won't be able to definitively work out what is what re what Charle posted.

Sonic revealed some stuff in mason chat about other roles in the game so I wouldnt be surprised. Fusi did confirm he vanilla'd ragian.

Then again Sonic/Bishop said I should use my axe after I already had told ewe I wouldnt, and Charle was just a "sidekick".

[Extreme Ways]

Who of you is the "force ghost"? Who was forced ghost?

[*Pixar*]

I was able to hand off the masonic sword - it can only be held by town. They can claim it whenever they want to, I feel like it's not on me to reveal who is town.

Vanillaised does NOT mean Vanilla in this game. Strike received new abilities, but I cant look up what they were again because chat room only goes so far up.

Dev is now new mason buddy, welcome Dev.

If flavour is to be believed, jfm was converted by vampires but killed by wolves?

I have received the sword. At this point a mass claim is needed with town being this far behind. EW and I are obvious town cleared I would say.

[Loose Canon]

I'm also uncertain what if anything Charle said was true and what was false.

Starting with was he the strigas servant by night and an archeologist by day?
I've got it in my mind that the archeologist was a claim provided that was also true.
After the claim itself I've got it in my mind that he was provided with answers but then maybe twisted the answers when telling us what they were.
Same applies to what he said was the note he received saying not to trust the D1 note etc.

My guess is there was truth in the most part but with some editing/lies weaved in among the truths - and I for one won't be able to definitively work out what is what re what Charle posted.

Sonic revealed some stuff in mason chat about other roles in the game so I wouldnt be surprised. Fusi did confirm he vanilla'd ragian.

Then again Sonic/Bishop said I should use my axe after I already had told ewe I wouldnt, and Charle was just a "sidekick".

That's the second and third time you've referred to sonic.
What is going on??

Don't agree with (but am unsure) about your jfm thing. I read it eaten twice meant killed by werewolf then eaten by the wild boar thing - but that's minor.

Agreed with your call that evidence was rag was probably scum, but didn't get you arriving at that seemingly with an either Charle or rag bit of deductive analysis. Thought both were probably scum myself.

There's a few things I'm not understanding ew and don't know whether I can put them to one side just because I don't understand them?

[Loose Canon]

And Ew what do you understand vanillaised to mean in this game?

[Loose Canon]

I was able to hand off the masonic sword - it can only be held by town. They can claim it whenever they want to, I feel like it's not on me to reveal who is town.

Vanillaised does NOT mean Vanilla in this game. Strike received new abilities, but I cant look up what they were again because chat room only goes so far up.

Dev is now new mason buddy, welcome Dev.

If flavour is to be believed, jfm was converted by vampires but killed by wolves?

Sorry but there is something else that isn't adding up neatly here.
Ewe when he said townsmen could never lose sword he also said another townsman will receive sword masons first and Ew has just said Dev is new mason buddy so how comes pix has the sword?

I have received the sword. At this point a mass claim is needed with town being this far behind. EW and I are obvious town cleared I would say.

[Loose Canon]

I was able to hand off the masonic sword - it can only be held by town. They can claim it whenever they want to, I feel like it's not on me to reveal who is town.

Vanillaised does NOT mean Vanilla in this game. Strike received new abilities, but I cant look up what they were again because chat room only goes so far up.

Dev is now new mason buddy, welcome Dev.

If flavour is to be believed, jfm was converted by vampires but killed by wolves?

I have received the sword. At this point a mass claim is needed with town being this far behind. EW and I are obvious town cleared I would say.

Sorry pix cut off the last bit of your post when posting just now.

[Votanic]

To be clear, this is a Loose quote not a Pixar quote, ...and it is also a very good question.

Sorry but there is something else that isn't adding up neatly here.
Ewe when he said townsmen could never lose sword he also said another townsman will receive sword masons first and Ew has just said Dev is new mason buddy so how comes pix has the sword?

Also this latest ad hoc nonsense about a 'force ghost' must be better addressed.
Firstly, what is it?
• A player forced ot be a ghost, perhaps contrary to alignment?
• A power role (force) held by a ghost?
• A power role that affects ghosts?
• A ghost that went through a meat grinder?'

Secondly, who is it?
Is it really a player character?
And with so much mod instruction/interference, ...are any of us fully player characters in this game?

[Extreme Ways]

I was able to hand off the masonic sword - it can only be held by town. They can claim it whenever they want to, I feel like it's not on me to reveal who is town.

Vanillaised does NOT mean Vanilla in this game. Strike received new abilities, but I cant look up what they were again because chat room only goes so far up.

Dev is now new mason buddy, welcome Dev.

If flavour is to be believed, jfm was converted by vampires but killed by wolves?

I have received the sword. At this point a mass claim is needed with town being this far behind. EW and I are obvious town cleared I would say.

Sorry pix cut off the last bit of your post when posting just now.

I should have specified earlier.

The masonic axe is used to cut off the head of lynchees. That one will go to another townie (masons first) whenever I die.

The masonic sword can simply be given to another players as a night action and functions as a cop of some sorts. If the sword arrives, it means the recipient can hold it and they have a new night action. If given to scum, the sword doesn't arrive and you know that person is scum (or redirected).

Pix claiming sword tells me that Pix wasn't redirect-messed with, because I intended to give it to Pix as well.

[Extreme Ways]

And Ew what do you understand vanillaised to mean in this game?

I have no clue

[Extreme Ways]

I'm also uncertain what if anything Charle said was true and what was false.

Starting with was he the strigas servant by night and an archeologist by day?
I've got it in my mind that the archeologist was a claim provided that was also true.
After the claim itself I've got it in my mind that he was provided with answers but then maybe twisted the answers when telling us what they were.
Same applies to what he said was the note he received saying not to trust the D1 note etc.

My guess is there was truth in the most part but with some editing/lies weaved in among the truths - and I for one won't be able to definitively work out what is what re what Charle posted.

Sonic revealed some stuff in mason chat about other roles in the game so I wouldnt be surprised. Fusi did confirm he vanilla'd ragian.

Then again Sonic/Bishop said I should use my axe after I already had told ewe I wouldnt, and Charle was just a "sidekick".

That's the second and third time you've referred to sonic.
What is going on??

Don't agree with (but am unsure) about your jfm thing. I read it eaten twice meant killed by werewolf then eaten by the wild boar thing - but that's minor.

Agreed with your call that evidence was rag was probably scum, but didn't get you arriving at that seemingly with an either Charle or rag bit of deductive analysis. Thought both were probably scum myself.

There's a few things I'm not understanding ew and don't know whether I can put them to one side just because I don't understand them?

Well I have been receiving information from Sonic that I couldn't otherwise know (and generally assume to be true), so I assume the same must be for wolves and vampires.

Sonic said at max, we could see 5 kills.

I'm going back to the 2-2-2-2-2 thing

2 backup masons
2 masons
2 scum
2 werewolves
2 normal townies
2 ???
1 count

[Votanic]

I'm also uncertain what if anything Charle said was true and what was false.

Starting with was he the strigas servant by night and an archeologist by day?
I've got it in my mind that the archeologist was a claim provided that was also true.
After the claim itself I've got it in my mind that he was provided with answers but then maybe twisted the answers when telling us what they were.
Same applies to what he said was the note he received saying not to trust the D1 note etc.

My guess is there was truth in the most part but with some editing/lies weaved in among the truths - and I for one won't be able to definitively work out what is what re what Charle posted.

Sonic revealed some stuff in mason chat about other roles in the game so I wouldnt be surprised. Fusi did confirm he vanilla'd ragian.

Then again Sonic/Bishop said I should use my axe after I already had told ewe I wouldnt, and Charle was just a "sidekick".

That's the second and third time you've referred to sonic.
What is going on??

Don't agree with (but am unsure) about your jfm thing. I read it eaten twice meant killed by werewolf then eaten by the wild boar thing - but that's minor.

Agreed with your call that evidence was rag was probably scum, but didn't get you arriving at that seemingly with an either Charle or rag bit of deductive analysis. Thought both were probably scum myself.

There's a few things I'm not understanding ew and don't know whether I can put them to one side just because I don't understand them?

Well I have been receiving information from Sonic that I couldn't otherwise know (and generally assume to be true), so I assume the same must be for wolves and vampires.

Sonic said at max, we could see 5 kills.

I'm going back to the 2-2-2-2-2 thing

2 backup masons
2 masons
2 scum
2 werewolves
2 normal townies
2 ???
1 count

If this list has meaning, which I kinda doubt, then there are/were 3 striga scum, 2 wolf?-scum, and 8 townies. That already seems unbalanced.
Also at one point, wasn't the stand-alone 13th player supposed to be the one the striga was searching for?
Besides, now Sonic is saying this 'force ghost' is the 'other guy'.

[Extreme Ways]

yeah im not sure what is fog and what is intended to find meaning in

but the original setup had 7v2v2 I believe, and we have more backup masons here.

[Votanic]

...
(deep sigh)
A profound sense of ennui and fatigue is overtaking me.

[Loose Canon]

I was able to hand off the masonic sword - it can only be held by town. They can claim it whenever they want to, I feel like it's not on me to reveal who is town.

Vanillaised does NOT mean Vanilla in this game. Strike received new abilities, but I cant look up what they were again because chat room only goes so far up.

Dev is now new mason buddy, welcome Dev.

If flavour is to be believed, jfm was converted by vampires but killed by wolves?

I have received the sword. At this point a mass claim is needed with town being this far behind. EW and I are obvious town cleared I would say.

Sorry pix cut off the last bit of your post when posting just now.

I should have specified earlier.

The masonic axe is used to cut off the head of lynchees. That one will go to another townie (masons first) whenever I die.

The masonic sword can simply be given to another players as a night action and functions as a cop of some sorts. If the sword arrives, it means the recipient can hold it and they have a new night action. If given to scum, the sword doesn't arrive and you know that person is scum (or redirected).

Pix claiming sword tells me that Pix wasn't redirect-messed with, because I intended to give it to Pix as well.

Ok thanks EW I think I am comfortable with the above because I still can't see how you can be anything other than town.

[Loose Canon]

Pix, I'm going to decline making a claim for 3 specific reasons

1. I might still have something of use to town
2. I don't think you need me to make a claim for the purposes of today's lynch.
3. I'm wary of deferred conversions

I've also got a generally confused/uncertain set of feelings and thoughts.

[Extreme Ways]

I would like Traf to come forward

and Rag, still.

[Extreme Ways]

Rag can still be a scum but:
1) hes never the count
2) he can only be a wolf

due to yesterday's interactions with charle

[Ragian]

I'm neither.

Bomb just landed on my desk today (long story short, they're revamping the education system under which I teach), but I'm hoping that I'll be able to keep up with the two games.

@EW, are you asking a specific question that I missed?

[Loose Canon]

This falls into the I've thought it so I'll say it category.

There's been a predominance of vampire flavour over werewolf flavour apparently.

Maybe we started with 1 werewolf but with conversion power.
Maybe the conversion is triggered at one point in the game but doesn't become fully effective until another.
Maybe a converted knows they will be converted.

I noticed last night was a half moon not a full moon.
You don't become a werewolf for first time till a full moon - do you?

Would scarily put everyone in a possible scum werewolf frame.

[Extreme Ways]

I'm neither.

Bomb just landed on my desk today (long story short, they're revamping the education system under which I teach), but I'm hoping that I'll be able to keep up with the two games.

@EW, are you asking a specific question that I missed?

No not really. Pix advocated for a mass claim and you're one of the people I'd love to come forward sooner rather than later with that, if we're following through with that.