Best Hip-Hop Artist/Group of all time.

Gold Knight · Post by **Gold Knight** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:07 pm

It really depends on what category of hip hop your talking about. If you want a talented rapper, check out Rhazel. He makes his own raps while doing the beats to his song... AT THE SMAE TIME! Check "If Your Mother Only Knew". But otherwise, gotta go with Wu Tang and Immortal Technique(saw him live in concert.)

luns101 · Post by **luns101** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:01 pm

You left out Vanilla Ice

Gold Knight · Post by **Gold Knight** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:51 am

luns101 wrote:You left out Vanilla Ice

Eh, it was probly right to leave out Vanilla Ice because he was kind of that one hit wonder material. Other than "Ice, Ice, Baby", a regular person has not even heard another one of his songs, though he is a classic.

DAZMCFC · Post by **DAZMCFC** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:43 am

like guis said. how can you have a poll without most of the def jam label.
public enemy would be my pick. three times i went to see them in manchester. ll cool j, early on he has some decent stuff. EPMD and BDP.
eric b and rakim, got their first 2 albums(very good), seen them with public enemy and ll cool j top the bill, at the apollo in manchester, back in 1988/9.

i would also like to mention the beastie boys. soooo mnay car badges stolen of cars when they started and still going strong. very underated.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:47 am

Gold Knight wrote:
luns101 wrote:You left out Vanilla Ice
Eh, it was probly right to leave out Vanilla Ice because he was kind of that one hit wonder material. Other than "Ice, Ice, Baby", a regular person has not even heard another one of his songs, though he is a classic.

I think he was being sarcastic lol.

luns101 · Post by **luns101** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:43 pm

nagerous wrote:
Gold Knight wrote:
luns101 wrote:You left out Vanilla Ice
Eh, it was probly right to leave out Vanilla Ice because he was kind of that one hit wonder material. Other than "Ice, Ice, Baby", a regular person has not even heard another one of his songs, though he is a classic.

I think he was being sarcastic lol.

Thank you, of course I would never include him in a serious list.

static_ice · Post by **static_ice** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:29 pm

technically DJ Shadow is a hip hop artist... I don't know why but he's not as popular as he should be

Gold Knight · Post by **Gold Knight** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:31 pm

luns101 wrote:
nagerous wrote:
Gold Knight wrote:
luns101 wrote:You left out Vanilla Ice
Eh, it was probly right to leave out Vanilla Ice because he was kind of that one hit wonder material. Other than "Ice, Ice, Baby", a regular person has not even heard another one of his songs, though he is a classic.

I think he was being sarcastic lol.
Thank you, of course I would never include him in a serious list.

Never know, some people like some wierd music out there...

Genghis Khant · Post by **Genghis Khant** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:41 pm

Who is best of all time?
Bone Thugs-n-Harmony
2Pac
Biggie (Notorious BIG)
N.W.A
50 Cent
Sugarhill Gang
Dr. Dre
Snoop Dogg
Eminem
Mac Dre

For f*ck's sake!?

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:12 am

Gold Knight wrote:It really depends on what category of hip hop your talking about. If you want a talented rapper, check out Rhazel. He makes his own raps while doing the beats to his song... AT THE SMAE TIME! Check "If Your Mother Only Knew". But otherwise, gotta go with Wu Tang and Immortal Technique(saw him live in concert.)

If you want to get technical, Rhazel is an emcee as he boxes more then he raps, so I'm not sure he'd belong on this list... I listened to "If your mother only knew" like 10 times before I believed it was real... The stuff he did with Saul Williams and/or A Tribe Called Quest was amazing...

I wonder if the OP of this thread was being sarcastic with his choices because some of them really suck.... Best hip hop artist of all time, 50 Cent, please....

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:50 am

kalishnikov wrote:
Gold Knight wrote:It really depends on what category of hip hop your talking about. If you want a talented rapper, check out Rhazel. He makes his own raps while doing the beats to his song... AT THE SMAE TIME! Check "If Your Mother Only Knew". But otherwise, gotta go with Wu Tang and Immortal Technique(saw him live in concert.)
If you want to get technical, Rhazel is an emcee as he boxes more then he raps, so I'm not sure he'd belong on this list... I listened to "If your mother only knew" like 10 times before I believed it was real... The stuff he did with Saul Williams and/or A Tribe Called Quest was amazing...

I wonder if the OP of this thread was being sarcastic with his choices because some of them really suck.... Best hip hop artist of all time, 50 Cent, please....

Yeh Rahzel is a pretty top-class beat boxer. There are many people who can sing and box at the same time, but he does do a proficient job of it.

Dancing Mustard · Post by **Dancing Mustard** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:54 am

I personally think that Vanilla Ice is the bestest rapper in the whole world ever. He completely owns all of you whack MCs, word is bond.

n8freeman · Post by **n8freeman** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:18 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:I personally think that Vanilla Ice is the bestest rapper in the whole world ever. He completely owns all of you whack MCs, word is bond.

i have to agree there DM
vanilla ice is "da shiznit"

salr15 · Post by **salr15** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:38 pm

Guiscard wrote:What the f*ck kinda list is that? You missed off pretty much all the golden era legends:

A Tribe Called Quest (who'd take the title for me)
De La Soul
Souls Of Mischief
Grandmaster Flash
Eric B and Rakim
Run DMC
Public Enemy
Pete Rock & C L Smooth

...for just a few, not forgetting Wu Tang. I'd also put Black Starr (Talib Kweli & Mos Def) and Gangstarr up there. Possibly even Big L too.

Sugarhill gang were important in the early days, and rappers delight is an important track, but as someone said earlier they haven't got the legacy.

And as good as Tupac was, he's not the greatest lyricist of all time in my opinion. To be honest, he's above average but not great. Immortal Technique is certainly up there for hard-hitting and intelligent rhymes, perhaps alongside Brother Ali and in terms of flow and pure style its got to be Q-Tip from Tribe or Tajai from Souls.

Tupac an above average lyricist??? I guess it is your opinion...I think he is one of the best.

And I agree with you on Illmatic, definitely one of the best of all time.

How is biggie so low?? He was awesome!! Even though he was friends with P-diddy...that can only hurt you.

d.gishman · Post by **d.gishman** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:42 pm

50 Cent? Sugarhill Gang? Where's Nas or Run-DMC? I wouldn't say Nas is necessarily the greatest hip hop artist of all time, but he's pretty darn close

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:09 pm

salr15 wrote:Tupac an above average lyricist??? I guess it is your opinion...I think he is one of the best.

I know its just opinion, but I really don't see where people who put him on such a pedistool are coming from... His style in terms of rhymes, syntax, metaphor/simile, rhythm etc. has certainly been bettered by many. The subjects he rapped about are pretty standard. He wasn't saying anything new, just saying it to a bigger crowd. Obviously I applaud him, he was a great artist after all, but I think he suffers a bit from Kurt Cobain syndrome - legend through death.

Psilocbin · Post by **Psilocbin** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:37 pm

I think that he covered EVERY subject to rap about, that's why rap sucked after him.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:10 pm

Psilocbin wrote:I think that he covered EVERY subject to rap about, that's why rap sucked after him.

Yeh but every subject had been covered before. Nothing new. His content wasn't as political as Public Enemy, as styled and subtle as A Tribe Called Quest, as clever as Souls of Mischief and as rhythmically competent as Rakim. Jack of all trades but a master of none, as it were

Psilocbin · Post by **Psilocbin** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:38 pm

Guiscard wrote:
Psilocbin wrote:I think that he covered EVERY subject to rap about, that's why rap sucked after him.
Yeh but every subject had been covered before. Nothing new. His content wasn't as political as Public Enemy, as styled and subtle as A Tribe Called Quest, as clever as Souls of Mischief and as rhythmically competent as Rakim. Jack of all trades but a master of none, as it were

That's just an opinion, the stats don't really agree.

Kugelblitz22 · Post by **Kugelblitz22** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:13 pm

Digable Planets

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:57 pm

Psilocbin wrote:That's just an opinion, the stats don't really agree.

What stats? Sales?

That makes Eminem the second best rapper ever to grace the mic...

Psilocbin · Post by **Psilocbin** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:52 pm

Guiscard wrote:
Psilocbin wrote:That's just an opinion, the stats don't really agree.
What stats? Sales?

That makes Eminem the second best rapper ever to grace the mic...

Popularity, common grounds and material. More people can relate to him.

Gold Knight · Post by **Gold Knight** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:54 pm

Psilocbin wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
Psilocbin wrote:That's just an opinion, the stats don't really agree.
What stats? Sales?

That makes Eminem the second best rapper ever to grace the mic...
Popularity, common grounds and material. More people can relate to him.

Yeah, im a white guy that thinks about killing my mother and raps in B movies. So i can totally relate...

Psilocbin · Post by **Psilocbin** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:57 pm

You really know your 2Pac...you can leave. Now.

His lyrics make sense and can't be contested. I've heard Public Enemy and they don't have what it takes to capture everyone's attention or interest. A Tribe Called Quest beg to differ though..

Gold Knight · Post by **Gold Knight** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:00 pm

Psilocbin wrote:You really know your 2Pac...you can leave. Now.

His lyrics make sense and can't be contested. I've heard Public Enemy and they don't have what it takes to capture everyone's attention or interest. A Tribe Called Quest beg to differ though..

When did i once mention "Tu"pac? I think youve heard this before:

Go back and re-read.

And i believe this poll was meant to debate the best hip hop artist ever. Not listen to Psilocbin and treat what "it" says as God's. I can say whatever the hell i want: f*ck Eminem, his music blows. See, its debatable.