Black Metal Mafia - SCUM WINS

[Loose Canon]

So just to be clear max, given the following a,b,c options regarding you personally

A. I am not a detective
B. I am a detective
C. I am not saying whether I'm a detective or not

You would currently choose C???

Even though evidence of a detective or not, would evidence a recruit or not, and if not which players would more likely opt for no recruit.

Also max, given your FOS on me and Charle, does this signify you would NOT be on board with a lynching of Ew or sonic, if neither are lynched today???

lynching of Ew or sonic tomorrow, if neither are lynched today???

Max, you haven't answered the above 2 questions.
It's not impossible that votes might start landing on you.
I don't have confidence you would do the right things for town D4.
If votes were to start landing on you, I'd hang a sword above your head and threaten a vote on you.
You could be zealously guarding a detective role so I'd be hesitant about swinging it. But then again I might. Best you answer the 2 above questions now I think.
(Whether or not any detective should claim now is an open question, any detective surviving into d4 should for sure claim then)

Max answer my questions.
As you can see there is pressure rising, and the guys are thinking I'm reluctant to vote for you.
I think you are more likely to be unreliable town than scum, but assuming I wouldn't lynch you .....

Max, please answer the questions.

[Extreme Ways]

I've left it a couple of days before posting this just to see if there would be a post from EW, but now I'm going to comment on the lack of a post from EW on the following;

I've said a couple of times that in the case of doubt on EW being scum but a lynch vote on a scum Sonic carrying, a town jailkeeper could lock up EW and then see if a nightkill goes through or not.

I'd expect a Town EW to say yes you could do that and virtually clear me, whatever the state of voting pressure on Sonic or EW.
I'd also expect a Scum EW in a state of voting pressure on such a scum partner to say yes you could do that.
So such a comment would have been equivocal - to me.
What I'd also expect from a scum EW with a scum Sonic is no such comment at all - to me that is EW thinking best not draw attention to a good idea, we or partner has said too much already, best be quiet for a while particularly on this but also in general and give any heat a chance to dissipate.

To me the lack of such a comment from EW is further indication of scum alignment.

You are a tad tunnelvisioned, have you considered the option in which I just... hadnt opened thread?

[Extreme Ways]

Also regarding strike: I am pretty sure Strike was townreading me, I have no reason at all to kill me. You keep coming back to "if not now, then when" a wolf EW would kill strike.

If I am half as good of a player as you describe me to be, I should have no issue keeping strike alive.

[Maxleod]

So just to be clear max, given the following a,b,c options regarding you personally

A. I am not a detective
B. I am a detective
C. I am not saying whether I'm a detective or not

You would currently choose C???

Even though evidence of a detective or not, would evidence a recruit or not, and if not which players would more likely opt for no recruit.

Also max, given your FOS on me and Charle, does this signify you would NOT be on board with a lynching of Ew or sonic, if neither are lynched today???

lynching of Ew or sonic tomorrow, if neither are lynched today???

Max, you haven't answered the above 2 questions.
It's not impossible that votes might start landing on you.
I don't have confidence you would do the right things for town D4.
If votes were to start landing on you, I'd hang a sword above your head and threaten a vote on you.
You could be zealously guarding a detective role so I'd be hesitant about swinging it. But then again I might. Best you answer the 2 above questions now I think.
(Whether or not any detective should claim now is an open question, any detective surviving into d4 should for sure claim then)

Max answer my questions.
As you can see there is pressure rising, and the guys are thinking I'm reluctant to vote for you.
I think you are more likely to be unreliable town than scum, but assuming I wouldn't lynch you .....

Max, please answer the questions.

C.

[Loose Canon]

Ok max, and in the event that we go into tomorrow without a detective having been lynched/killed/revealing themselves, and nothing else to indicate there is a detective, would you then be onboard with joining a lynch on either sonic or Ew if others are too?

[Maxleod]

Ok max, and in the event that we go into tomorrow without a detective having been lynched/killed/revealing themselves, and nothing else to indicate there is a detective, would you then be onboard with joining a lynch on either sonic or Ew if others are too?

Sonic, yes, definitely. EW doesn't look more suspicious to me than the rest of you.

[Extreme Ways]

Ok max, and in the event that we go into tomorrow without a detective having been lynched/killed/revealing themselves, and nothing else to indicate there is a detective, would you then be onboard with joining a lynch on either sonic or Ew if others are too?

Max either has a red check on Charle, or there is no detective.

[Loose Canon]

IF max does have a red check on Charle, max should declare it, because max went for Charle D1 before any night action, so we'd not take any notice if say n1 or n2 max had got a red check, otherwise.

[SoN!c]

Hilarious

Max is gonna follow loose and loose is not gonna vote max for real today..surprise surprise

Hey Loose: can you present your case on me? Actual stuff

[SoN!c]

If its a good case i"ll say okay i get why your voting me at least but im town. So i can't believe you can make a case if not fabricated. So shoot

[SoN!c]

5.55 pm... ofcourse your watching Arsenal tonight since 18.00,...

[Devante]

Charle is 100% town. No way Rag would have allowed a scum Charle to pull that pm stunt.

Not a stunt, rags just fucked up. Charle is 100% scum. And so are you. And kong.

(though dev and the fairy have been too silent so far)

Max you got anything to back that claim or is just your general suspicion?

[Devante]

Charle is 100% town. No way Rag would have allowed a scum Charle to pull that pm stunt.

Not a stunt, rags just fucked up. Charle is 100% scum. And so are you. And kong.

(though dev and the fairy have been too silent so far)

Max you got anything to back that claim or is just your general suspicion?

[Loose Canon]

Sonic, you know full well, if there is No Recruit - No Detective - No such thing as Hard Evidence in this game, just maybe a bit of probability from Jailkeepers actions - but essentially everything is Circumstantial.

What is pointing so strongly circumstantially to you - a lot.

Start of D3 re you I said I had bookmarked suspicions of you from earlier, but my main instant thrust was 4 vanilla town down - points to no recruit - points most strongly to EW - circumstantially - but I hinted the second most likely if not EW was Traf.
Something there seemed to rattle your cage seriously Sonic.
It may have been EW is your scum partner, it may have been the No Recruit theory on top of my earlier suspicions of you.
Also you as scum in a no recruit scenario wouldn't have liked me saying be very careful of a detective claim by Sonic (or EW) because one of the attaractions of not recruiting would be the possibility of fake claiming detective to almost get an extra life.

You have done nothing D3 except bluster use attack as best form of defence, and interrupt to disrupt.

As EW himself has pointed out you should be more suspicious or at least posting pretending to be more asuspicious of him.

IF you are going Town on Town on me Sonic, all I can say is D3 you have played a shocker.

But yes to answer your question again there is no Hard Evidence - but there is a catalogue of Circumstantial Evidence - and No Back Catalogue of Decent Black Metal Music from you.

[Ragian]

Official vote count - Deadline: Feb 12, midnight GMT+1



Son!c (1) - Loose
Charle (1) - Max
Loose (2) - EW, Son!c
Max (2) - Charle, Traf

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline in 1 day, 1 hour, and 45 minutes

Spoiler

[b]Latest post mod time (GMT+1)[/b] 1. Charle - Feb 11, 7:12 am 2. Extreme Ways - Feb 11, 1:54 pm 4. Son!c - Feb 11, 8:16 pm 6. Loose Cannon - Feb 11, 9:01 pm 8. Devante - Feb 11, 8:50 pm 9. kongming3 - Feb 9, 6:46 pm 11. Trafalgarlaw01 - Feb 11, 3:34 am 12. Maxleod - Feb 11, 12:25 pm - [b]on final warning[/b]

[Extreme Ways]

Sonic, you know full well, if there is No Recruit - No Detective - No such thing as Hard Evidence in this game, just maybe a bit of probability from Jailkeepers actions - but essentially everything is Circumstantial.

What is pointing so strongly circumstantially to you - a lot.

Start of D3 re you I said I had bookmarked suspicions of you from earlier, but my main instant thrust was 4 vanilla town down - points to no recruit - points most strongly to EW - circumstantially - but I hinted the second most likely if not EW was Traf.
Something there seemed to rattle your cage seriously Sonic.
It may have been EW is your scum partner, it may have been the No Recruit theory on top of my earlier suspicions of you.
Also you as scum in a no recruit scenario wouldn't have liked me saying be very careful of a detective claim by Sonic (or EW) because one of the attaractions of not recruiting would be the possibility of fake claiming detective to almost get an extra life.

You have done nothing D3 except bluster use attack as best form of defence, and interrupt to disrupt.

As EW himself has pointed out you should be more suspicious or at least posting pretending to be more asuspicious of him.

IF you are going Town on Town on me Sonic, all I can say is D3 you have played a shocker.

But yes to answer your question again there is no Hard Evidence - but there is a catalogue of Circumstantial Evidence - and No Back Catalogue of Decent Black Metal Music from you.

Fake claiming Detective does not get an extra life.

Consider a scum team is Loose/Max, opting for no recruit. Loose is under pressure, and claims Detective. Town can force the jailkeepers to claim in response, forcing the other scum to fakeclaim Jailkeeper. You now have two fakeclaims and are on a time. Even worse, the fakeclaim Detective is forced to give out clears. If you just say "I was blocked", that's not very believable at the moment - especially if you don't die.

With 8 alive and 2 scum, one fakeclaiming detective is a death sentence because town finds out your secret before you can win.

[Loose Canon]

That's the second time you've argued that fake claiming detective in no recruit isn't an advantage of not recruiting. I think it is an advantage of not recruiting albeit on closer inspection (as by you Ew) not as much an advantage necessarily as I would think initially. There is some hidden advantage in it I maintain.

[Extreme Ways]

I think not recruiting sucks, to be honest. I've played plenty of games without any PRs where it's 12 vanilla towns vs 3 vanilla scum, with scum having daytalk as well. Removing 2 towns for 1 scum doesn't seem to be a good deal when town also gets a power role.

9v3 in which town has a high chance of protecting/roleblocking a kill + cop value also is something I'd love to play as town.

Me not having the greatest idea of who scum is, is worrying me.

[Charle]

Sonic, you know full well, if there is No Recruit - No Detective - No such thing as Hard Evidence in this game, just maybe a bit of probability from Jailkeepers actions - but essentially everything is Circumstantial.

What is pointing so strongly circumstantially to you - a lot.

Start of D3 re you I said I had bookmarked suspicions of you from earlier, but my main instant thrust was 4 vanilla town down - points to no recruit - points most strongly to EW - circumstantially - but I hinted the second most likely if not EW was Traf.
Something there seemed to rattle your cage seriously Sonic.
It may have been EW is your scum partner, it may have been the No Recruit theory on top of my earlier suspicions of you.
Also you as scum in a no recruit scenario wouldn't have liked me saying be very careful of a detective claim by Sonic (or EW) because one of the attaractions of not recruiting would be the possibility of fake claiming detective to almost get an extra life.

You have done nothing D3 except bluster use attack as best form of defence, and interrupt to disrupt.

As EW himself has pointed out you should be more suspicious or at least posting pretending to be more asuspicious of him.

IF you are going Town on Town on me Sonic, all I can say is D3 you have played a shocker.

But yes to answer your question again there is no Hard Evidence - but there is a catalogue of Circumstantial Evidence - and No Back Catalogue of Decent Black Metal Music from you.

Fake claiming Detective does not get an extra life.

Consider a scum team is Loose/Max, opting for no recruit. Loose is under pressure, and claims Detective. Town can force the jailkeepers to claim in response, forcing the other scum to fakeclaim Jailkeeper. You now have two fakeclaims and are on a time. Even worse, the fakeclaim Detective is forced to give out clears. If you just say "I was blocked", that's not very believable at the moment - especially if you don't die.

With 8 alive and 2 scum, one fakeclaiming detective is a death sentence because town finds out your secret before you can win.

This is a brilliant post, thanks EW. I think we should force a claim out of Max, that is for sure. We definitely do not have a cop and it seems that we are getting somewhere now.

[Loose Canon]

Ew I don't think there's going to be a lynch, we could discuss the exact merits/attractiveness or otherwise of a no recruit, fake claim possibility for scum.....

But do you agree that in trying to seal that rathole for scum, I have tried to do something I'd be unlikely to do as scum?
And maybe unvote me and vote indicate who you think is either most likely with me, or who else is most likely period?

[Charle]

Well Loose, if you vote Max, then EW and Sonic can do the same before the time ends.

[Loose Canon]

Except I lean towards Max being town, except 5 town votes are possible without me (I think), except 2 scum votes could vote for Max.
I might think about being the 5th if there were already 4 votes.
I do sorta agree with you that Max probably should make a claim now though - I think all claims have to be made tomorrow come what may, anyway.

[Extreme Ways]

Ew I don't think there's going to be a lynch, we could discuss the exact merits/attractiveness or otherwise of a no recruit, fake claim possibility for scum.....

But do you agree that in trying to seal that rathole for scum, I have tried to do something I'd be unlikely to do as scum?
And maybe unvote me and vote indicate who you think is either most likely with me, or who else is most likely period?

Not really... I'm not going over today, and it seems like nobody really wanted to follow you. If you were town, I'd expect scum to jump on it more.

I can join votes, Max is definitely townie nor scummie in his play - cant tell any alignment so as good as lynch as any.

[SoN!c]

Im here. I can switch if needed. It was a busy day at work today.

[Devante]

So far EW is making the most sense. I'll put a vote in just in case I miss deadline. Follow suit with Charle for now

VOTE MAX