Black Metal Mafia - SCUM WINS

[Loose Canon]

By the way sonic and Charle.

The purpose of my charity offer to sonic is not for bragging or shaming falling flat on my face rights with sonic.
It is for such rights with Charle though.

Sonic if you want to take me up on my offer just pm me the name of your favourite charity. When all has been revealed in game only then will I reveal whether you took me up or not.
It would just be a fun and friendly way of me giving to charity, with some heightened bragging or self shaming, rights and obligations for me in the process.

[SoN!c]

There were 2 red flags already. Its also overobvious who our jailkeeper is. Its been overobvious since D3 because of Loose his crab fishing posts where he went fishing for the cop and jailkeeper. Some here are drawing attention to it while they shouldnt while others act like they have no clue or didnt noticed it but nobody is that stupid.

I'll take ass, cash or grass but nobody rides for free. Second scum is freeriding on loose his play.

At loose: i'll haggle you on your bet to £250. You can go for it or not. I can say who the jailkeeper is and who he checked out N2 and N3. I'll haggle you for that extra bet to £500.

Talking the talk i need to walk the walk so:
At the jailkeeper: you checked out Traf N2. Traf didnt move. Voting Loose today will get you killed. We have to find the second scum and you need to lock up Loose tonight if we lynch right. Otherwise jail whoever you see fit.

[Loose Canon]

I'll, decline your raise sonic.
I'm not asking you to stake anything, just accept the challenge as it was stated either here or by pm of your favourite challenge.
I'd stand to donate a max of £100 to charity 50/50 mine and yours if you win this game as mafia. And £50 to either mine or yours in any other outcome.
£100 is the amount I'd typically buy initial chips for when me and mates go to a casino to play a table of no limit holdem.

You have my friendly respect at this game table though sonic. Just feel strongly we are playing for different factions, in this particular game.

Need to think about the rest of your post. Initial thought is neither hitman or target would know if they'd been jailed, so it's just throwing around speculation - isn't it?

[SoN!c]

Your are still flooding the thread with more nonsense Loose. You bet 50£ that you will pay if i flip mafia while at the same time you also bet 50£ that you will pay if i flip town? You are gonna pay £50 either way.? And i haggled you to £100 just now That bar where you take those bets must be a very fun place if your around

[Loose Canon]

No sonic,

I have however reconsidered my position slightly on my charity position, to make it an all other things being equal I hope sonic wins in these games.

If you flip town I will give £50 to your favourite charity whether town wins or loses.
The new bit is if you flip town and town wins I will also give £50 to my favourite charity.

If you flip mafia I will give £50 to my favourite charity whether mafia wins or loses.
If you flip mafia and mafia wins I will also give £50 to your favourite charity (that isn't new)

So if you win I give £100 to charity in total.
If you lose I give £50 to charity in total.

Which charities get the money depend on what you flip.

[Loose Canon]

I did go to sleep last night with the thought what if sonic is town after all and this is some massive town on town action.
I've been there before with sonic, where I've been absolutely convinced sonic was mafia, had a doubt, been absolutely convinced again, finally convinced he probably wasn't and in the end both of us were town.

Awake now this feels and reasons different.

A town sonic, whatever he might say now was leaning heavily I was town in the early part of this game.
Why would a town sonic have swung so heavily towards a mafia loose when he did - I was going down a different line when he did - surely wait and see where that line was going and what the outcome might be first would be the better option?
A mafia sonic however under a degree of self discomfort from D1 and D2, an irresistible itch to post a lot, and the Charle cleared town, could and did I say flip and go full blast loose is mafia, mafia sonic will hide in full sight - why not it will be fun?
I do have some degree of doubt taking me less than full confidence that the above is the case, but not nearly enough for me to switch my vote.

[Loose Canon]

It's 50/50 everything else being equal to jailkeeper that player they jailed last night is mafia.

With 4 initial votes on me it's got to look like I was more likely than anyone else to have been jailed.

3 of those 4 potential jailkeepers have either signified, or would have had an undignified but prior reason to have jailed me.
At least 1 probably 2 if doubting I'm mafia, would have reason to think about letting or engineering a no lynch happen today.

I don't know who the jailkeeper is and believe it or not I'm not jailkeeper fishing, just saying what I'm seeing because the smart among you will be privately seeing or self speculating similarly whether town or mafia yourselves.

[Charle]

We honestly need EW or Traf to start voting, we can all follow suit. Loose or Max, we can win this.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Vote Max

I had him on top of my list, but I must say Loose does sound more scumy

[Loose Canon]

I applaud that play - stategically and timing - IF - it has been made by a Maf Traf.
Otherwise not quite Chueless but not far off.

[Loose Canon]

I play these games with 3 principles.

1. Play card
2. If town call it as I see it when I (think) I see it
3. If town play honestly and explain my play as doing so

In this game it's clear I'm exaspernoyed with Charle.
I think he's going wrong with max, I thought jfm was going to be a mislynch,he's definitely wrong with me.
What if I'm right with sonic is something every town should be thinking of.

Mafia can see I diametrically disagree with the only proven townie Charle. By calling out sonic so strongly, mafia will want to keep me and Charle in the game if sonic is mafia. If sonic is mafia, mafia want either another mislynch or a no lynch. Traf voting max today when he did was perfect for mafia. Traf is now my no2 suspect.
His saying he now thinks I'm town would fit with a maftraf and a mafia sonic.
No1 suspect is still sonic.

Ive thought about whether sonic could be town. The only scenario I can see his play making town sense is if he's jailkeeper and so can play so openly devils advocate in knowledge he can avoid a mislynch on him if it looks on.
Otherwise his play only fits with mafia sonic.

Question for townies is at what point will you/we get together and lynch sonic. It's a win if we can lynch him today.
Everything else is a diversion or dead end.

[SoN!c]

I play these games with 3 principles.

1. Play card
2. If town call it as I see it when I (think) I see it
3. If town play honestly and explain my play as doing so

I did go to sleep last night with the thought what if sonic is town after all and this is some massive town on town action.
I've been there before with sonic, where I've been absolutely convinced sonic was mafia, had a doubt, been absolutely convinced again, finally convinced he probably wasn't and in the end both of us were town.
....

You racked up too many red flags Loose.
And you did not play honestly either:

Right after "obvious town" Pixar voted Max you went full force for Pix. Now you say you just defended Max all game long because you feel for him and you don't wanna see Max voted out for that reason. You could and should have told that back then.. Defending Max is one thing but attacking Pix full force just to do so is another. And not being honest because your real unspoken motive was to defend Max.. Without explanation i cannot comprehend that you would not think you would look scummy as hell? And its easy ofcourse to change your explanation later... So that was Red Flag 1. Another red flag popped up when Strike -who was thinking you- died that night..
More red flags piled up when you posted that the jailkeeper had to protect himself that night (impossible action like you don't know that), when you posted who the jailkeeper had to lock up overnight (with 2 or 3 scum alive at that moment thats goofy dumb), that you voted Charle, that you didn't hammer Max and so on and so on and now you are again fishing for the jailkeeper..

You want me to say "it's not me"? Haggle me!

And explain why you think it's Traf please. A full case (but without betting odds ).

[Charle]

Thanks Traf, as I said, I am happy to go with either one.

Unvote

Vote Max

[SoN!c]

And oh Loose another good question..i've been saving it up like Hercule Poirot does

You have been saying "it's Sonic +" all game long. Sonic + Kong, then Sonic + Strike, then (very shortly sonic + traf), then came Sonic + Ew, then it was sonic + Dev this morning and now its sonic + Traf again

On your big case "it's sonic, it's sonic, it's sonic because he says yadayada a lot but i got naada nada naaaadaaa nothing jajajajaaa!" it was even "it's sonic + sonic"



So after being named with every possible scumpartner (besides Charle for obvious reasons, yourself and Max) i wanna play your game along.

I mean you buttered up EW and Kong when you were at L-1 but why didn't you butter Traf up? He is of the same smart level like EW and Kong..and more important Traf could have hammered you but didn't? Why didn't you butter Traf up?

Traf goes for Max now and that makes Traf instantly my next scum partner (just like that)? Doesn't make any sense again you know? Why would Traf be my next scum partner if all he did was voting Max? Charle voted Max too so why is Charle not my scumpartner? Because you know very well Charle is town from the start.

And Max voted Charle (together with you and Kong). If there is at least one scum to be found in those three why couldn't the scum be Max? I mean otherwise it's you or Kong right?

And if you are town how can you be so sure Max isn't scum if at least one of the three that voted Charle is scum?

And i find Dev's song about you very funny too. "Loose: he's half man, half goose"

The things you said about the jailkeeper are either goofy goose just like you in Dev's song BUT also very cunning scum questions, as town they are stupid but as scum they trigger the jailkeeper to respond in some form..

So in the end, this is not one question, but a few good ones. Please answer me this:

Why didn't you butter Traf up when you were L-1 (while you did buttered up EW and Kong)?
Why can't Max be scum if he is one of the three that voted Charle?
What is your case on Traf that makes him my scum partner other then Traf voting Max just now?

[Loose Canon]

Sonic is well versed in making tangled and twisted false accusations.

Whilst that is a dark art it is not black metal.

For the avoidance of any doubt I will if surviving into d5 be voting sonic d5.

[Extreme Ways]

Hi I was away for the weekend - will read up afterwork

[SoN!c]

Sonic is well versed in making tangled and twisted false accusations.

Whilst that is a dark art it is not black metal.

For the avoidance of any doubt I will if surviving into d5 be voting sonic d5.

How can you make a false question?

Question: Why can't Max be scum if he is one of the three that voted Charle?
Answer:

Question:What is your case on Traf that makes him my scum partner other then Traf voting Max just now?
Answer:

[Loose Canon]

I'll sum it up for you Ew.
There's 3 boils that need lancing.

1. I'm 100% gunning for sonic in this game, now and for as long as I remain in it.
2. There is bad blood between Charle and max from previous game.
3. Because all of maxs play is explainable by bad blood, and because Charle is town villain of the peace and the rules of the game, I have taken Max's side in this game, so there is a thing between me and Charle in this game too.

There's more likely than not a 3 way town on town on town thing going on Charle, max and me.
But sonic is 100% mafia.

Simples

[SoN!c]

I'll sum it up for you Ew.
There's 3 boils that need lancing.

1. I'm 100% gunning for sonic in this game, now and for as long as I remain in it.
2. There is bad blood between Charle and max from previous game.
3. Because all of maxs play is explainable by bad blood, and because Charle is town villain of the peace and the rules of the game, I have taken Max's side in this game, so there is a thing between me and Charle in this game too.

There's more likely than not a 3 way town on town on town thing going on Charle, max and me.
But sonic is 100% mafia.

Simples

Loose, remake your big case on me but now remake it on you. You will then realize you are superscummy and contradictory?

Also: its sonic + everybody besides you and Max. I really believe you will say "sonic + charle" any moment soon..

There's more likely than not a 3 way town on town on town thing going on Charle, max and me.

so one of you is scum you say so yourself..

[Charle]

I'll sum it up for you Ew.
There's 3 boils that need lancing.

1. I'm 100% gunning for sonic in this game, now and for as long as I remain in it.
2. There is bad blood between Charle and max from previous game.
3. Because all of maxs play is explainable by bad blood, and because Charle is town villain of the peace and the rules of the game, I have taken Max's side in this game, so there is a thing between me and Charle in this game too.

There's more likely than not a 3 way town on town on town thing going on Charle, max and me.
But sonic is 100% mafia.

Simples

No bad blood from the previous game, it is just a game after all. I honestly feel max's actions are scummy in this game, and you protecting him for all of that puts you as a partner. You are protecting nobody but Max in this game, that must tell us something.

[SoN!c]

I'll sum it up for you Ew.
There's 3 boils that need lancing.

1. I'm 100% gunning for sonic in this game, now and for as long as I remain in it.
2. There is bad blood between Charle and max from previous game.
3. Because all of maxs play is explainable by bad blood, and because Charle is town villain of the peace and the rules of the game, I have taken Max's side in this game, so there is a thing between me and Charle in this game too.

There's more likely than not a 3 way town on town on town thing going on Charle, max and me.
But sonic is 100% mafia.

Simples

Loose, remake your big case on me but now remake it on you. You will then realize you are superscummy and contradictory?

Also: its sonic + everybody besides you and Max. I really believe you will say "sonic + charle" any moment soon..

There's more likely than not a 3 way town on town on town thing going on Charle, max and me.

so one of you is scum you say so yourself..

Rereading just now and I've read a piece of Loose his text wrongly here. Sorry for the misread Loose but misread can happen.

So since Loose is gonna be on my back for the rest of the game "I'm 100% gunning for sonic in this game, now and for as long as I remain in it." and he keeps spouting utter nonsense and snowshows in a pompous or oratorical manner (aka "bull smoke galore") im thinking it's better to continue the search without the pilotless decoy missile that the Bull-Goose is in this game.

If needed i'll switch my guns to Maxscum Dynamite who has a half man half goose bodyguard that makes no sense anyways.

Vote Loose

[SoN!c]

it's sonic, it's sonic, it's sonic because he says yadayadaa a lot but i got naada nada naaaadaaa nothing jajajajaaa!

Sorey Loosey but its too funny, i can't resist - you are so obvious scum and went over the moon doing so xD

[Extreme Ways]

Key takeaways:

Traf prefers Max over Loose.
Loose prefers Sonic over literally anybody else
Max prefers Charle over ??
Loose is not our jailkeeper, otherwise he would've claimed by now

I'm still side-eying Traf. I dont mind which between Max and Loose, but I will put my foot down on Loose I think. I found Loose re-evaluating my slot but I dont see any grace towards others.

Vote Loose

[Loose Canon]

Charle but there is aftermath from last game though;

Max came out of the traps D1 pointing at the speed of your initial post.
You played the this is what Rag said to me card, to clear your name and got called out for a rule violation - putting you on the naughty step - bet you don't eat all your greens either?
maybe you didn't like being put on the spot by Max from the outset.
Although there was probing (including by me (and discomfort at the illicitly gained town advantage)) of whether we could 100% say you were town - Max carried on with his suspicion.
You have in this game called him the worst mafia teammate you have played with.

If you are not seeing the nuances in a game where with no recruit there are only nuances you can stay on the naughty step for this game as far as I'm concerned.
- and if you are not assessing that different players have different psychologies and abilities and so you have to assess each differently then ... I dunno.

Max should have a 1 in 7 chance of being mafia as far as you are concerned- no higher no lower - same goes for me or any other player.
Oh but the evidence of his play says he is mafia doesn't cut it with me in this game - and I'm 100% town.
In the strongest possible terms I suspect Sonic knows I'm 100% town because he is 100% mafia.
Lynch Sonic we win, anything else is playing to your whims.

And so I'm not budging for the guy who shouldn't in this game be getting up from his naughty step anyway.
(Especially as Sonic looks nailed on Mafia.)

[SoN!c]

? ? ? Are you stupid or goose? Im turning the Subscribe topic off