D5 of The Reid technique Mafia Game

[Loose Canon]

I might be wrong but I'm not the lord of chaos Halrob.

Charle might/could easily be right on Devon.
About 50/50 for me.

Charle 3 questions

1.Have you considered there could be 3 cops?

2.What was in your thinking when you suggested protectives should protect king/Devon N1?

3. What is wrong for you in the idea Devante is 3p ?

[Ragian]

And there's all the stuff in Sonic's flavour or hints that talk about false confessions - so why not false results?
So I don't think you are in the clear Halrob my friend.

False results hahahahaha Loose Loose thank goodness you are not the town cop you would not even be given a gun you would be so useless. Now I'm doubting everything you are saying in your posts and I think you are the lord of chaos for sure and Devante is certainly on to something!

This won't do, halrob. In a game where the uninformed town majority tries to take on scum, we (town) have to consider all options. That means that until there's unrefutable evidence to the contrary, we (town) rely on gameplay to figure out who's good and bad. All town members must accept that scrutiny and suspicions are just part of being town. Reacting to suspicions by completely disregarding another player's input is counterproductive if you are town. I will repeat this important piece of knowledge again (ad nauseam): Town players must be willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good (i.e. a town victory). Your reaction to Loose's post, however ignorant you may find it, indicates that you put yourself ahead of town, which, effectively, is antitown. We can't know that you're not scum. Not yet at least.

[Ragian]

I might be wrong but I'm not the lord of chaos Halrob.

Charle might/could easily be right on Devon.
About 50/50 for me.

Charle 3 questions

1.Have you considered there could be 3 cops?

2.What was in your thinking when you suggested protectives should protect king/Devon N1?

3. What is wrong for you in the idea Devante is 3p ?

Did Charle suggest that a protective role targeted King/Devon N1? Is that true?

[halrob64]

So Ragian, in reality what you are saying is that Charle is potentially lying about his role??
What my view is this, I was backing Looses play to lynch Devante, as soon as I made that backing Loose switched and deflected onto me. I don't believe Loose, I think he is lying scum and to be straight I think you are in that mix too.
What you are doing is dividing town not bringing them together. So I think you are working with Loose to bring town down not to strengthen it.
If Loose is correct and Devante is the player who cannot be killed in a night action and needs to be Lynched then why deflect?
Why not say hey hal yes lets get the menace out of the game.
So we have potential lyers.
Halrob
Charle
Devante
Devon
But definite town who are not lyers
Loose
Ragian
both of the above have cast iron town credentials and need to be listened to/followed if we are to save town.
Not may call lets see what the other players think of that

[halrob64]

I also note Ragian that you unvoted Dev as soon as I offered to back Loose. Man this is not good on you boys now

[Loose Canon]

Another problem I have with the Charle King/Devon play and the timing of it and I think I blame king for this is it opened up fake claim possibilities for mafia.

[halrob64]

Official vote count:

Devante (3) - Extreme Ways, Loose Canon, Darin



With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

earlier days same suspicions EW & Darin any reason you are not pushing for the same lynching now?

[halrob64]

So I will back Loose on this one
Vote Devante

[Extreme Ways]

With most others mods, I'd say that two cops is inconceivable. However, with the existence of a framer, it could make sense for Son!c to put in two cops. I guess...

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EW, why did you track Charle?

I didn't. Y'all are assuming things about my role and focused on a single point. More roles have the ability to confirm that someone didn't kill.

I agree with the Sonic part btw and I find both claims bad at the moment.

[Extreme Ways]

And there's all the stuff in Sonic's flavour or hints that talk about false confessions - so why not false results?
So I don't think you are in the clear Halrob my friend.

False results hahahahaha Loose Loose thank goodness you are not the town cop you would not even be given a gun you would be so useless. Now I'm doubting everything you are saying in your posts and I think you are the lord of chaos for sure and Devante is certainly on to something!

Charle, I can with 100% certainty say that if you are town cop, then Halrob is clear. I alluded to something of this earlier, but if I visit a cop with my role... their result is guaranteed to be correct.

[SoN!c]

Official vote count:


Devante: (3) Loose Canon, Hjelp, Halrob
Devon: (1) Charle
Loose Canon: (1) Devante




With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

[Extreme Ways]

With framer out of the window I lose a lot of value...? I also just now realise that I could have learned that Charle is in fact cop. I think I can corroborate the claim.

I am Town Warden. Please read the following carefully, because it has tripped me up multiple times. I can target a player to detain them. Detaining means roleblocking as well as protecting, like a standard jailkeeper action.

BUT. I cannot detain the cop. If I detain Cop, I suppress any interference with the results (which would be framer). I only learn if I succesfully detained someone, not if I stopped a kill or anything.

I did not get a "you successfully detained someone" result from mod. I thought it was because there was no kill, but only now I realise it's because I couldn't detain Charle the cop.

So Charle is clear to me, and Devon... needs to go one day or another.

[Ragian]

@EW, so, you're saying that Charle is clear, then. Noted. How do you explain that he ordered protection for Kingm/Devon if he's the cop, and kingm/Devon claimed cop?

@halrob, feel free to think that everyone experienced who tries to guide you is scum. You can always claim fake news at the end of the game when proven wrong

[Extreme Ways]

@EW, so, you're saying that Charle is clear, then. Noted. How do you explain that he ordered protection for Kingm/Devon if he's the cop, and kingm/Devon claimed cop?

@halrob, feel free to think that everyone experienced who tries to guide you is scum. You can always claim fake news at the end of the game when proven wrong

I can't explain that

[Extreme Ways]

I could have been roleblocked, but I am willing to take the chances that a roleblock went into one of the actual claims.

I don't see any other explanation how mechanically Charle shouldn't be town to me, but I'm happy to receive one if you see it.

[halrob64]

Ragian » Wed Nov 12, 2025 9:57 am

@EW, so, you're saying that Charle is clear, then. Noted. How do you explain that he ordered protection for Kingm/Devon if he's the cop, and kingm/Devon claimed cop?

@halrob, feel free to think that everyone experienced who tries to guide you is scum. You can always claim fake news at the end of the game when proven wrong

So far we have
Kingm/Devon
Loose
Charle
Extreme
Devante
Halrob claimed town by Charle
So thats 5
So I don't see you helping me Ragian, I see someone who has not claimed anything so far but is skirting around being town.
Fake news? A few fake townies I think.
So I assume you think Loose is town Ragian? Or know from your experience?

[halrob64]

by Extreme Ways » Wed Nov 12, 2025 10:09 am

Ragian wrote:
@EW, so, you're saying that Charle is clear, then. Noted. How do you explain that he ordered protection for Kingm/Devon if he's the cop, and kingm/Devon claimed cop?

@halrob, feel free to think that everyone experienced who tries to guide you is scum. You can always claim fake news at the end of the game when proven wrong

I can't explain that

I think thats an answer Charle can clear up easily

[Charle]

I might be wrong but I'm not the lord of chaos Halrob.

Charle might/could easily be right on Devon.
About 50/50 for me.

Charle 3 questions

1.Have you considered there could be 3 cops?

2.What was in your thinking when you suggested protectives should protect king/Devon N1?

3. What is wrong for you in the idea Devante is 3p ?

Hi Loose,
1. No, I have not, do you think that could be a nice balance?
2. King claimed half cop, if that was true, devon could give us a result for last night, or, doc could save him tonight so that we can get a result from investigation. Neither of that happened making believe the claim was not as honest as we thought.
3. I kinda believe Devante for his explanation, knowing Sonic and his setups that could be some interesting pieces in the puzzle

[Extreme Ways]

by Extreme Ways » Wed Nov 12, 2025 10:09 am

Ragian wrote:
@EW, so, you're saying that Charle is clear, then. Noted. How do you explain that he ordered protection for Kingm/Devon if he's the cop, and kingm/Devon claimed cop?

@halrob, feel free to think that everyone experienced who tries to guide you is scum. You can always claim fake news at the end of the game when proven wrong

I can't explain that

I think thats an answer Charle can clear up easily

I doubt it

Charle believing the claim day 1 as easily as he did weakened his own claim by a lot. I'm glad he didnt counterclaim it, still.

Also @Rag on why I "tracked" Charle earlier, even if it wasn't a track... I didnt find Devon/Kingm's claim believable enough to warrant a N1 jailkeep/protect. If scum, he wouldnt be carrying a kill. Dev I thought was just town but never cop, and Charle was kind of in the spot where I thought he was town but could also be under the radar strong scum. I submitted my night action about a minute after reading the PM, I dont think too deeply about those things usually.

If I protect a non-cop I also roleblock them, so I tried to be offensive rather than defensive.

[Loose Canon]

@Extreme - OK thanks re Warden - do you get to know if Charle's results are always accurate?

@Charle
1. It would be a nasty or tricky to interpret balance for Town if results of 1 or 2 of say 3 cops are not always accurate (ie inaccuracy built into town cops roles without cops knowing)
In that sense it could be a nice balance for Sonic.
I will point out that IF all roles have importance (it could have started 8 town 2 mafia 1 3p with amongst the 8 town difficult to interpret results) and Sonic did indicate so, and he's indicated false confessions too - I am actually considering it, IF only for those reasons alone.

2. OK I get it from your perspective that Devon is virtually nailed on Mafia.
What I'll say is this it depends on which way I look at it from my perspective.
There's a way by which I put the probability of Devon being mafia at around 45%.
There's another way I put it at around 55%.
Both are I'm sure much lower than your %s.

3. You kinda believe someone who hasn't given an explanation?
OK but there is the 3 roles inextricably linked, there is Strike (mafia)s poisoning, which may have been delayed to make death occur N1 instead of D1, there is the strange interplay between Sonic and Devante, there is Devante I think leaning into the "lover" and implying 2 towns might die but thats unprecedented (although Vanilisation isn't) if the 3 roles are Mafia, 3P, Town.
How can Devante have a role of importance if he has given no explanation of his utility for town?
Yes the answer to that might be something I've missed or have not considered - but if so what is it?
kinda believe isn't doing it for me though.

All being said you might well be right on Devon/King - its pretty well a 50/50 coin toss for me - at present.

Or am I being the chaos agent that Devante suggests? - well I'm hitting submit.

fpd by EW

[Ragian]

@halrob, why do you think I should claim? Do you need a broader list to choose from tonight?

[halrob64]

Ragian,
No I don't think you should claim, I think there are too many claims, smokescreens and mirrors in play. I think we need to focus on two specific claims or partial claims, Dev and Devon.
I take that from D1 and your comments, its better to focus on one lynching or have no lynching.
My own view right or wrong is that we need to create some clarity, if we lynch the wrong person then maybe we get some clarity of what to expect on N2 regardless, if the right person then its a result.
I did ask you what your view of Loose was, are you backing him as town or are you still undecided?
I am going along with Loose regarding Devante, he seems to feel strongly about it, I'm interested in who will further back that avenue, who will not, and who will pull the rug at the last minute.
It may be that Dev is an innocent party caught up in Sonics game play.
I think the Kingm claim regarding part time cop is feasible but I think Devons silence is very suspect and maybe thats the route to follow.
EW I don't know, seems to be conflicting posts but that may just be around Charle's claim.
As I said before if we don't get a result in D2 it will be carnage N2 and that will be damaging to town and mafia alike. I might be wrong there and as you said I might well have egg on my face at the end of the game.

[halrob64]

by Loose Canon » Wed Nov 12, 2025 1:11 pm

@Extreme - OK thanks re Warden - do you get to know if Charle's results are always accurate?

@Charle
1. It would be a nasty or tricky to interpret balance for Town if results of 1 or 2 of say 3 cops are not always accurate (ie inaccuracy built into town cops roles without cops knowing)
In that sense it could be a nice balance for Sonic.

Loose that's an interesting comment, not sure how the mechanics of that would work but it is an interesting theory

[halrob64]

Sorry, the reference regarding inaccuracy built into the cop role

[Loose Canon]

Halrob - Its probably on the farfetched side of niche for many players but Sonic is niche.
I reckon that must worry other players but hey ho.

I guess I'm more worried whether there is something more or equally town and niche about Devante's role.
- and for that I'd have to open my ears to Extreme and Ragian to give me pointers.
Devante in conjunction too maybe if he is prepared or "able" to give hints or pointers?

And then it would be for me to look though Sonics posts again to see if he has hinted at it and so if it fits.