D5 of The Reid technique Mafia Game

[Ragian]

Forgot to ask you, hjelp: Are you saying that it's impossible for Dev to be anything other than town? I'm just trying to understand where you stand, and the no. 5 felt ambiguous to me, but that might be because I need to get acquainted with your vernacular.

[SoN!c]

FINALE OF THE REID!

AS MENTIONED BEFORE GAMEDAYS THIS DEEP IN THE FINALE ARE JUST 1 REAL LIFE WEEK SO DEADLINE IS:

6 days
147 hours
8862 minutes
531751 seconds
until sunday14 december 2025 20:00:00 (Antwerp time)


THE REID ENDS IN 6 days, 3 hours, 42 minutes, 31 seconds

until sunday 14 december 2025 20:00:00 (Antwerp time)

Spoiler

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/t ... sive&csz=1

[Devante]

@ Devante
Did you heal halrob64 this night N4? if not, who did you heal?

Last night I protected myself. I was not expecting Halrob to be poisoned again a third night in a row and expected the 3P to come after the other confirmed town.

[Devante]

I expect that lecter and 3p are the same person and that 3p is a poisoner with other pr abilities added which is what sonic did the last time around. if lecter were another 3p that means in a game of 11 you would have two 3p's separate from eachother and 2 mafia who could convert a 3rd N0 like they did with Loose. thats 5 bad guys to 6 town which is very uneven so I expect we had 3 mafia D1 which are all dead now and 1 3p. Problem is now I have to figure out which of you last two is the 3p vs town.

[hjelp]

Thanks, makes sense.

[Ragian]

Hjelp, are you ignoring me now?

[hjelp]

I have read what Devante wrote. Devante can't be 3P.

[Ragian]

So, it's you, then?

[Ragian]

To be honest, I was banking on it being Devante rather than you.

It's way too convenient that Devante
a) Couldn't claim
b) All of the sudden had healing powers
c) All of the sudden became best friends with the only certified townie
d) "Accidentally" protected himself rather than the only certified townie, who, if alive would almost garantee a town win given that either of us alive would vote with Halrob
e) Read (er Reid or whatever) d again!!!
f) ALso remember that d) goes against what he said D2 when cornered - and I'm paraphrasing because I can't be arsed to try to work out the new search function - "it's okay to lynch me as I'll still win with town." That was bullshit. And I drowned myself in it. However, now he protects himself instead of the only known townie? NO WAY.

So yeah, it has to be Devante in my mind, but if you say it's you, I'm all ears on how it cannot be Devante.

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And before you think it's me, remember to ask yourself the following:
a) Would a third party poisoner urge restraint in order to get the right lynch? (The answer is no...I know that from experience.)
b) Would the mod - and yes, I'm playing the mod here for a second - make the 3rd party immune to investigations? That's ridiculously overpowered.

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If you still think it's me, and you're ready to vote, then go right ahead. I'll even let you vote first before I vote for Devante. It's fine letting the 3rd party win and this stage. It's almost deserved even if I'm on to him. And if it's you, Hjelp, the hats off. I was only onto you for a wee bit, but I've actually decided that I think that you're town. If you win as 3rd party, I'll proudly wear yellow and blue for Christmas.

Let's make that a bet, shall we? *pours whiskey on ground for Loose*
- If you win as 3rd party having duped me, I'll wear yellow and blue for Christmas.
- If Devante wins as 3rd party having duped you, you wear red and white for Christmas.

Do we have a deal?

[hjelp]

Honestly, you put doubt in my thinking. But I'm not convinced and I don't want to lynch Devante if townie.
Devante was certin regarding Darin44 and voted first.
I was certain regarding Loose Canon and voted first.
If you're certain then you will have to cast the first vote. I'm not certain of that Devante is 3P. I will not vote first.
No bet.

[Ragian]

Why do you want me to vote first if you're not voting with me? That makes no sense.

Why don't you explain to me why you think that Dev can't be 3rd party in your view.

[Ragian]

Does the lack of wanting to bet indicate that you're in doubt? And are you sure you voted first on Loose? I'm quite sure I did.

[hjelp]

Regarding for me to vote with you, means that firstly a player vote and after that an second player votes with the first player.
I read what Devante wrote and then I read what you wrote regarding Devante.
What made me uncertain was

Last night I protected myself. I was not expecting Halrob to be poisoned again a third night in a row and expected the 3P to come after the other confirmed town.

Make sense

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d) "Accidentally" protected himself rather than the only certified townie, who, if alive would almost garantee a town win given that either of us alive would vote with Halrob
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Make sense too

[hjelp]

Yes you're right, I checked now, you voted first on Loose Canon.

[hjelp]

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Let's make that a bet, shall we? *pours whiskey on ground for Loose*
- If you win as 3rd party having duped me, I'll wear yellow and blue for Christmas.
- If Devante wins as 3rd party having duped you, you wear red and white for Christmas.
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Isn't there a third option?
- If you are 3P then you duped me and you win ?
Right?

[hjelp]

That's also a reason why I'm hesitating.

[Devante]

At this point I'm analysing your two role claims as that seems the safest to try and look back at how things have gone. Couple things I don’t understand and need some answers or clarification on.

Hjelp you claimed:

I'm a Sleepwalker and added to that Town Surveillance Analyst
The condition is that a Town investigator has to survive the night and be alive to file the report.
I get a report after each night from a town investigator if it's a hit on scum, also if it's Godfather or the report is somehow manipulated. It doesn't matter what the report reads - so IF the investigator actually visited (successfull target) scum then I get the true analyst result Mafia.
It's an anonymous report so I don't know wich investigator filed it.
IF the investigator is roleblocked or end up elsewhere than the target, will end up in no report.
One time action during the game is to examin a killed investigator's (only Cop/Tracker) report and thereby find out the investigator's result.

• What is the Sleepwalker part? Doesn’t seem like that’s come into play at all.
• You claimed charle’s report said:

“I have Charle’s report:
N1: Halrob — no result
N2: Ragian — no result
N3: Ragian — no result.”

Aside from the no result on halrob which should of showed town, based on your other posts and postings of results you likely should only have received one night report on Charle not all three, and also N3 he died so I thought the investigator had to survive through the night for you to get a result. Please Explain

Ragian you claimed:

I am 1-Shot Bulletproof Town Ascetic. This means that I have one night where I'm protected from all kills targeting me, and all other things targeting me that night (protection, investigation, etc.) will fail as roleblocked.

You originally missed the ascetic which hjelp caught but I’ll ignore that for now. With the ascetic would it not be one shot as well? Or is it an ongoing trait and are you notified of it? Why did you wait till D4 to reveal your role? Also is that all you had for your role or were there any conditions with it?

Both roles are perfect to hide behind for a 3p and somewhat unusual claim to make as a false role, unfortunately neither of your two roles can be verified so there’s my current dilemma. Both have played leaning town and going after mafia which makes this more difficult. And I'm trying not to let the bias of Ragian beating me out as 3p in one lf the last games not cloud my judgement here or go down the sonic rabbit hole again.

[Ragian]

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Let's make that a bet, shall we? *pours whiskey on ground for Loose*
- If you win as 3rd party having duped me, I'll wear yellow and blue for Christmas.
- If Devante wins as 3rd party having duped you, you wear red and white for Christmas.
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Isn't there a third option?
- If you are 3P then you duped me and you win ?
Right?

Well, I'm not 3rd party, so I felt redundant making that part of the bet, but, of course, only I know that, so I see where you're coming from. The bet in itself is biased.

[Ragian]

Dev, all the questions you've just asked me, I have answered in the game. Some of them a fair few times because Loose was trying to pollute the thread. What are you doing?

[Devante]

Trying to recap things in my head without digging up dozens of pages, roles I've saved in an excel for reference but there's so much garbage in the posts that i don't want to get bogged down in it

[Ragian]

Fair enough.

And no, the name is ascetic town, so I'm ascetic throughout. Please notice that I mentioned that before thevtesukts on me (if you ignore the fact that I thought Charle was blocked the first time because I didn't know my role).
On phone here and on my way to bed, so I won't dig it out for you, but if you Google mafia wiki ascetic town, you'll see the role. That's how I found out about myself after hjelp kicked me in the rear.
I'm not notified of visits. My role and ability are passive.

I didn't claim till D4 because that's sensible town play. I'm annoyed with all the townies that claimed without pressure throughout this game. Also note how vocal Loose was about me not claiming.

I have no conditions. I'm not too sure what you mean ..

[Devante]

I have no conditions. I'm not too sure what you mean ..

Meant additional conditions imposed by mod like I had or like Charles role where this person visits you this happens or vice versa etc. If not then your role is just a straight forward laid out as it is role then looks like

[hjelp]

At this point I'm analysing your two role claims as that seems the safest to try and look back at how things have gone. Couple things I don’t understand and need some answers or clarification on.

Hjelp you claimed:

I'm a Sleepwalker and added to that Town Surveillance Analyst
The condition is that a Town investigator has to survive the night and be alive to file the report.
I get a report after each night from a town investigator if it's a hit on scum, also if it's Godfather or the report is somehow manipulated. It doesn't matter what the report reads - so IF the investigator actually visited (successfull target) scum then I get the true analyst result Mafia.
It's an anonymous report so I don't know wich investigator filed it.
IF the investigator is roleblocked or end up elsewhere than the target, will end up in no report.
One time action during the game is to examin a killed investigator's (only Cop/Tracker) report and thereby find out the investigator's result.

• What is the Sleepwalker part? Doesn’t seem like that’s come into play at all.
• You claimed charle’s report said:

“I have Charle’s report:
N1: Halrob — no result
N2: Ragian — no result
N3: Ragian — no result.”

Aside from the no result on halrob which should of showed town, based on your other posts and postings of results you likely should only have received one night report on Charle not all three, and also N3 he died so I thought the investigator had to survive through the night for you to get a result. Please Explain

The Sleepwalker part is a townie sleepwalking around visiting other players without any target during nights. Maybe it comes into play if e.g. a tracker target me?

"One time action during the game is to examin a killed investigator's (only Cop/Tracker) report and thereby find out the investigator's result."

It wouldn't make sense if I can ask for a killed investigator's report and I can't get a report since killed. Therefore it make sense that I got all three nights in one report showing targets. Also the results of the investigations made when still alive. Unless killed, then the result of that investigation isn't there.

It turned out that Charle was killed N3. Thereby I can ask for Charles report. The information I got was one report included all nights:
The reportI got confirmed target halrob64 and innocent N1, it confirmed target Ragian and "no result" N2, it confirmed target Ragian N3.

The only thing I could make out of N3 was "no result" due to the conditions;
- "IF the investigator is roleblocked or end up elsewhere than the target, will end up in no report". - if blocked no report ("no result")
- "The result of an investigation can only be filed "if the investigator actually visited (successfull target) scum then I get the true analyst result Mafia". - if not visited no report ("no result")
- "The condition is that a Town investigator has to survive the night and be alive to file the report.". - not survived no report ("no result").

and I have given the explanation that I didn't want to quote SoN!c since players told me to not.
When you asked me then I confirmed town/innocent so I didn't quote Son!c.

[hjelp]

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And no, the name is ascetic town, so I'm ascetic throughout. Please notice that I mentioned that before thevtesukts on me (if you ignore the fact that I thought Charle was blocked the first time because I didn't know my role).
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You're saying that you didn't know your role until D3 "... ignore the fact that I thought Charle was blocked the first time because I didn't know my role)".
So your role was given by SoN!c D3.
What is your role from D1 to N2 ?

[hjelp]

Now I have to go to bed.