paradox

magneticgoop · Post by **magneticgoop** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:11 pm

my brother brought up a good point yesterday: ironically many liberals believe that global warming exists and want to stop it to save the earth. the liberals want to keep things the way they are, kinda like conservatives

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:13 pm

it is just about as ironic as the fact that most Conservatives dont really try to conserve the planet.

spurgistan · Post by **spurgistan** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:13 pm

Well, the status quo presently involves pumping greenhouse gases at mind-blowing levels into the atmospehere. Libs (and conservatives who DON'T see the value in a global desert) want to change that status quo.

Kid_A · Post by **Kid_A** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:16 pm

magneticgoop wrote:my brother brought up a good point yesterday: ironically many liberals believe that global warming exists

believe?

are you actually debating the existence of global warming? i suppose evolution is a 'theory' as well.

magneticgoop · Post by **magneticgoop** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:21 pm

Kid_A wrote:
magneticgoop wrote:my brother brought up a good point yesterday: ironically many liberals believe that global warming exists

believe?

are you actually debating the existence of global warming? i suppose evolution is a 'theory' as well.

no i personally think it exists, but it is not caused by humans but by the natural heating and cooling of the earth. but i dont want to get into that

Arbustos · Post by **Arbustos** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:22 pm

magneticgoop wrote:
Kid_A wrote:
magneticgoop wrote:my brother brought up a good point yesterday: ironically many liberals believe that global warming exists

believe?

are you actually debating the existence of global warming? i suppose evolution is a 'theory' as well.
no i personally think it exists, but it is not caused by humans but by the natural heating and cooling of the earth. but i dont want to get into that

But do you agree we've had an adverse effect on the situation?

magneticgoop · Post by **magneticgoop** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:28 pm

Arbustos wrote:
magneticgoop wrote:
Kid_A wrote:
magneticgoop wrote:my brother brought up a good point yesterday: ironically many liberals believe that global warming exists

believe?

are you actually debating the existence of global warming? i suppose evolution is a 'theory' as well.
no i personally think it exists, but it is not caused by humans but by the natural heating and cooling of the earth. but i dont want to get into that

But do you agree we've had an adverse effect on the situation?

yes but only a tiny percentage

The Weird One · Post by **The Weird One** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:33 pm

that's debatable.

magneticgoop · Post by **magneticgoop** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:36 pm

The Weird One wrote:that's debatable.

not the point of the thread

The Weird One · Post by **The Weird One** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:38 pm

that's why all i said was "that's debatable" if it WAS the point of the thread, I would have probably posted much much more.

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:44 pm

Kid_A wrote:
magneticgoop wrote:my brother brought up a good point yesterday: ironically many liberals believe that global warming exists

believe?

are you actually debating the existence of global warming? i suppose evolution is a 'theory' as well.

It still is considered a theory. :wink:

Arbustos · Post by **Arbustos** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:48 pm

So is gravity... doesn't mean it isn't true. Scientifically, "theory" isn't a pejorative as far as fact goes. Besides, what's wrong with evolution? My Bio teacher was Christian and believed in Darwin's findings...

hecter · Post by **hecter** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:49 pm

magneticgoop wrote:
Arbustos wrote:
magneticgoop wrote:
Kid_A wrote:
magneticgoop wrote:my brother brought up a good point yesterday: ironically many liberals believe that global warming exists

believe?

are you actually debating the existence of global warming? i suppose evolution is a 'theory' as well.
no i personally think it exists, but it is not caused by humans but by the natural heating and cooling of the earth. but i dont want to get into that

But do you agree we've had an adverse effect on the situation?
yes but only a tiny percentage

Right, which is why if we do nothing, in 100 years the earth could be 6.5˚C hotter... Hotter than it has been since the time before the dinosaurs... Here is a model that SHOWS how much we're effecting the climate.

This one is a bit better, I think.

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc%5Ftar/
Feel free to read the reports, if you don't believe me.

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:50 pm

Arbustos wrote:So is gravity... doesn't mean it isn't true. Scientifically, "theory" isn't a pejorative as far as fact goes. Besides, what's wrong with evolution? My Bio teacher was Christian and believed in Darwin's findings...

No, gravity IS a law. :wink:

The Weird One · Post by **The Weird One** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:52 pm

yes. . . but there are theories that are just theories because of certain assholes that have decided to debate them with nonexistant evidence

magneticgoop · Post by **magneticgoop** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:53 pm

these are based on predictions of past and future temperatures and again this is not the point of the thread

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:53 pm

... Please, not another global warming thread.

...

Arbustos · Post by **Arbustos** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:54 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:
Arbustos wrote:So is gravity... doesn't mean it isn't true. Scientifically, "theory" isn't a pejorative as far as fact goes. Besides, what's wrong with evolution? My Bio teacher was Christian and believed in Darwin's findings...
No, gravity IS a law.

WTH, screw Wikipedia. One article they say it's Newton's Theory of Universal Gravitation, another it's his Law of Universal Gravitation.

Regardless, Einstein's special relativity is also used, and that's a theory. The point is that, in science, "theory" and fact often go hand in hand.

magneticgoop · Post by **magneticgoop** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:56 pm

Nobunaga wrote:... Please, not another global warming thread.

...

QFT

what i meant by the thread was it is funny how the liberals want to conserve in this case, i did not want a debate thread

Arbustos · Post by **Arbustos** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:58 pm

magneticgoop wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:... Please, not another global warming thread.

...
QFT

what i meant by the thread was it is funny how the liberals want to conserve in this case, i did not want a debate thread

But that point is inane to begin with, as spurgistan pointed out. So you just want this thread to die?

hecter · Post by **hecter** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:58 pm

magneticgoop wrote:these are based on predictions of past and future temperatures and again this is not the point of the thread

So just because it's a prediction means it's suddenly invalid?

The Weird One · Post by **The Weird One** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:58 pm

to some shortsighted people. . .yes

hecter · Post by **hecter** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:00 pm

The Weird One wrote:to some shortsighted people. . .yes

Even when presented with information gathered by many many many experts and is currently being used by several governments.

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:00 pm

Arbustos wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:
Arbustos wrote:So is gravity... doesn't mean it isn't true. Scientifically, "theory" isn't a pejorative as far as fact goes. Besides, what's wrong with evolution? My Bio teacher was Christian and believed in Darwin's findings...
No, gravity IS a law.

WTH, screw Wikipedia. One article they say it's Newton's Theory of Universal Gravitation, another it's his Law of Universal Gravitation.

Regardless, Einstein's special relativity is also used, and that's a theory. The point is that, in science, "theory" and fact often go hand in hand.

Why do you think I rarely use wikipedia?

As for theories, they are based off of some fact, with the rest filled in with theories, making theories not 100% fact. While Laws have all the holes filled in with facts (Law of Gravity, etc...). :wink:

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:02 pm

UGH...

STOP IT, ALL OF YOU...

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT OXYMORONS, OBVIOUSLY...

like, military intelligence...

happy monday...

that sort of thing...

not whether or not global warming exists

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